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    I work as seo link builder for about 5 month. I have tried several times to register some of my bingo sites (which are of good quality and not link farm) to dmoz, and I still havent got an answer. does somebody knows how can I admit my bingo sites there?
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    I got one out of five sites into DMOZ its a gamble. Try and make it sound as professional as possible

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    I have been denied for all, for 5 years running. I think that years ago, SMOZ was a lot more lenient in terms of what they let into their directory. Anything that remotely looks or smells like an affiliate site, seems to be rejected these days.

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    I submitted my best websites but they all have been rejected.
    Few months ago my gambling forum has been accepted, maybe because dmoz editors think it's more useful to players.

    Anyway I own several non gambling websites: none of them has been approved since August: are Italian editors sleeping or is DMOZ dying?
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    thanks guys for your info. what do you mean by making it sound profesional?
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    I think building quality content and when you submit your application give a very detailed answer to each question.I have three gaming sites listed and my two oldest sites got declined/ignored.I think they make you wait years before they will reconsider a previously declined site. I am still waiting at least another year before i resubmit my sites.

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    It can be a challenge to get a site that is an affiliate site listed in dmoz because if a site is perceived by the editors to be primarily about affiliate links and promotional hype rather than about providing truly valuable content for a visitor it will almost certainly be rejected. Additionally, the strategy of building lots of smaller doorway sites for marketing purposes, which is a strategy employed by a lot of affiliates, is a strategy that I would expect to result in none of the sites being included in dmoz.

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    Im not sure that what you are saying is entirely correct. I have a friend which has a poker directory website which dmoz accepted. So there must be a different reason. I wish I could tell what's that.
    does any of you guys know about other authority sites which I can promote my sites? is it possible to get a link in authoritive sites for gambling related websites? or is the only way for that is to pay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by diana View Post
    Im not sure that what you are saying is entirely correct. I have a friend which has a poker directory website which dmoz accepted. So there must be a different reason. I wish I could tell what's that.
    What do you feel I said that was not entirely correct? Certainly there are many gambling related affiliate websites in dmoz. All I tried to say is that it is a challenge to get an affiliate site included, that legitimate non-affiliate revenue generation content really matters, and that small wesites that are part of a large collection of websites designed to maximize SEO for an affiliate were unlikely to be accepted.

    On the flip side, if affiliate content is minimized, if there is solid unique content that is valuable and apparent when reviewing the site, if the website you develop compares favorably with other websites currently being added by editors to the category, if there is an active editor reviewing submissions in the category, and if the category of your submission is appropriate and the title is the true title of the site and the description is objective then there is a decent chance a site will be accepted rather quickly.

    If you look at the statistics on the bottom of the home page of the dmoz website you will see they say (at the moment of this post) that there are 4,528,416 sites listed in over 590,000 categories and that there are 84,688 editors. Speed and standards for accepting websites will vary based on those who have the authority to edit particular categories and dmoz standards that are applicable within each category.

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    Here's a laugh for everyone...

    I submitted my forum a few times a couple of years back...and finally i got a notice that my site was accepted and could be found .....

    Under "Kitchen Appliances"????????

    LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    Never did find it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelCorfman View Post
    What do you feel I said that was not entirely correct? Certainly there are many gambling related affiliate websites in dmoz. All I tried to say is that it is a challenge to get an affiliate site included, that legitimate non-affiliate revenue generation content really matters, and that small wesites that are part of a large collection of websites designed to maximize SEO for an affiliate were unlikely to be accepted.

    On the flip side, if affiliate content is minimized, if there is solid unique content that is valuable and apparent when reviewing the site, if the website you develop compares favorably with other websites currently being added by editors to the category, if there is an active editor reviewing submissions in the category, and if the category of your submission is appropriate and the title is the true title of the site and the description is objective then there is a decent chance a site will be accepted rather quickly.

    If you look at the statistics on the bottom of the home page of the dmoz website you will see they say (at the moment of this post) that there are 4,528,416 sites listed in over 590,000 categories and that there are 84,688 editors. Speed and standards for accepting websites will vary based on those who have the authority to edit particular categories and dmoz standards that are applicable within each category.

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    ha!!!!! now I understand. well maybe the best is to have my boss submit those sites. I am not a part of an affiliate program, but I guess the sites I represent are... well I will try again with this advice...thank you
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    Here's a laugh for everyone...

    I submitted my forum a few times a couple of years back...and finally i got a notice that my site was accepted and could be found .....

    Under "Kitchen Appliances"????????
    LOL Pat, Maybe you need to relook at your SEO Tactics But you never know - maybe some old bag looking for a kenwood mixer might land up spending her flour money at your site

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    I was told that dmoz inclusion was nearly impossible for casino portals to achieve. After removing nearly all of my banners from my home page, my first site has been listed in dmoz. I think the key is finding the exact dmoz category for your site, then seo your site for that category.

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    if affiliate content is minimized, if there is solid unique content that is valuable and apparent when reviewing the site, if the website you develop compares favorably with other websites currently being added by editors to the category, if there is an active editor reviewing submissions in the category, and if the category of your submission is appropriate and the title is the true title of the site and the description is objective then there is a decent chance a site will be accepted rather quickly.
    Very good advice. If a site contains nothing more than ad-copy provided by affiliate programs then it is likely to not get listed. Furthermore if a site contains more affiliate links than content, it is also not likely to get listed. Also make sure you read the submission guidelines. In particular networks of sites are likely to not get listed. So the rule of thumb is, if submitting a site to be considered for listing, only submit your main site and your main site only, to the most appropriate category.

    If however you do not write an appropriate title and description or submit to an inappropriate category, the reviewing editor is likely to rewrite the description and or move it to the most suitable category for review.

    Once you submit your site, the key is to forget about it. If your site is listable it will get listed in time, however when that will be no one can tell.
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    LMAOOO....Glad you liked that one Topboss! lolll I thought it was quite funny also...my bank account doesn't but my funny bone does...LMAOO

    Your right, maybe some ole bag will try to buy herself a "power french tickler" and find my French casino banners instead! LOLLLLLL



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    If you do not write an appropriate title and description or submit to an inappropriate category, the reviewing editor is likely to rewrite the description and or move it to the most suitable category for review.

    Once you submit your site, the key is to forget about it. If your site is listable it will get listed in time, however when that will be no one can tell.
    Just to elaborate a little more, when you select a category for a website and editor who has editing authority within that category will review it. If that is not actually the correct category for the website, the editor should move it to the correct category for consideration by an editor with responsibility for that category. So, in theory submitting a site to the wrong category should not effect whether it is eventually listed or not. However, it will effect how long it will take to review since the first editor would need to conduct a review of the site and decide it was not appropriate for the category to which it was submitted and then move it to a different category for consideration by the responsible editor for that category. That would not necessarily add much time if the same editor was able to handle applications in both categories, but otherwise could delay the process because the application needs to be touched by two people instead of by one person.

    In terms of getting the title and description right, webzcas is correct that dmoz editors will and should make corrections when there are mistakes in those areas. But if an editor has a lot of sites to review it is only human to prioritize how to look at them based on what is in front of the editor at the time. Ideally an editor will not be influenced so much by what is specified and will look at the site and then make appropriate adjustments. But the process of listing a site is a judgement call by the editor and if a site is on the edge then doing a good job in the application then the overall impression of the editor just might be influenced. Then again, it might not. Depends on the editor.

    And webzcas is correct that you should submit a site and forget about it. Most editors do not appreciate being spammed with the same site multiple times, so doing so is quite likely to hurt your chances of inclusion much more than to help them. On the other hand, if it has been a while and you have made changes that you feel make the site a much better addition to the dmoz directory then it makes sense to submit the site for consideration again. In that case I would not feel it was necessary to wait another year as was suggested might be appropriate earlier in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diana View Post
    ha!!!!! now I understand. well maybe the best is to have my boss submit those sites. I am not a part of an affiliate program, but I guess the sites I represent are... well I will tey again with this advice...thank you
    I don't think it matters much who submits the site. Sites are generally reviewed on their own merits.

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    A good deal of editors are affiliates themselves - some are even members right here on the GPWA. Make no mistake, they will list their own sites, their pals sites, and look to keep others out, simple as that.

    If you were to go do a complete review of all the gambling related websites that are listed, you would discover a very disturbing trend. A few of us did exactly that a few years back and found that a good deal of the sites which were listed at the time were all owned by a small group of individuals.

    Sadly, Google still does place a lot of emphasis on a dmoz listing, they have for years. So if you do get listed in dmoz and google crawls that listing - in short time your google rankings will greatly improve. If they ever devalue the links, dmoz corruption would plummet and the playing field would be much more level.

    Also, make sure you only submit your site once and to the most appropriate category. Dont spam submit it! If you tick off one of an catmv/editall, your site can and will be blacklisted and it will never get listed, so tread lightly if you really want to get listed.

    "and that small wesites that are part of a large collection of websites designed to maximize SEO for an affiliate were unlikely to be accepted."

    Thats inaccurate at best, past research shows that a good portion of the sites which are listed in some cats are related and appear to be clearly placed for SEO efforts and its been working for years now. Make no doubt there are a handful of people who are reaping the benefits.

    If you get bored some day ... spend a few hours reviewing sites yourself - check whois, check link partners etc - its actually pretty easy to connect the dots.
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    http://www.dmoz.org/Games/Gambling/Bingo/Online/Guides/

    I got garysmomsbingopage.com listed there after only 2 months, My recommendation is try finding a catagory that may not have many listings and you may get lucky.

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    If you were to go do a complete review of all the gambling related websites that are listed, you would discover a very disturbing trend. A few of us did exactly that a few years back and found that a good deal of the sites which were listed at the time were all owned by a small group of individuals.
    I sorta remember a few of you guys talking about this a few years ago...

    I would love to read a bit about your findings....any way to do that?

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