Infinite Money Glitch at Bovada

[JackV]

https://gyazo.com/c86bd45a5fa88b1db57516bb7cf17662

Hi all,

I'd like to report an exploit that is currently ongoing at Bovada/Ignition (RevenueNetwork brands). The result of this, is an unlucky few affiliates that have signed up players aware of this bug, will have their sheets drained. Here's a screenshot of our account (this is the data from a single player).

This player you can see has wagered $2-6M per day, winning 10-40K, and has also deposited 40-100K each day.

Any longtime affiliate will know this is strange for several reasons:
1. Basic stats will lead you to the fact that showing a profit (especially that large) over that significant of a sample, assuming something like a $100-500 average bet size, is near impossible, day over day. According to the affiliate who watched the datafeed update, the average size of wager was only $100 or so.

2. Second, the deposit size while winning is also very suspicious. If a player is heatering, they are very unlikely to want to deposit more (and deposit/withdraw multiple times a day is highly unusual).

This is not the only player that has been affected, there are several others among a few different affiliates I'm aware of who have been exposed to this.

I don't want to reveal the details of the bug, in order to protect the network as well as other affiliates, but it involves exploiting a deposit bonus / rollover and a game with small edges.

If anyone has a contact at Bovada or RevenueNetwork who I can relay the details of the issue to so it can be immediately rectified, please connect me.

Thanks!

[drifter8]

It is pretty strange situation . If he wins too big, then why he should re-deposit again?

ALso, if there are so many winning players - casino/ bookies will not be happy with them winning that much and can get limited after the 1st day, unless the player is very big VIP.

About the withdraws - are they via crypto? Same question with deposits.

SO it is sth which is not normal and unusual and representative from Bovada/ Ignition has to make/ give an explanation.

[dannyx]

Send such a player, for example, to Pinnacle or another such bookmaker that pays for wins and not the other way around. I.e. for turnover. That is, on the whole, if he wins it is better.

[Jay_v]

Very strange situation it is.

I deal with Dana there, you can contact her via DH@mediosmesh.com

DM me if you would like her Signal

[JackV]

Very strange situation it is.

I deal with Dana there, you can contact her via DH@mediosmesh.com

DM me if you would like her Signal

DMed

[Sherlock]

I saw the same pattern at their latam brand (since approx 2018 ), i was reporting it to Dana every year. In the end the account ended at minus 6 figures. But the latam is fenced from US/CA so i did not care anymore.

Moreover I recently saw this bonus abuse at commissionkings (that it was bonus abuse was confirmed by them). They thanked me for that and even refunded like 32K USD (the loss was higher than that, but fine...). At CK it was more transparent, because their version of myaffiliate software shows bonuses. The pattern was always deposit, big bonus, win, another deposit...

[edgarf76]

I just sent a ticket in to my affiliate manager because I am seeing some strange stats. Hopefully, all of this will be worked out.

[Sherlock]

I want to correct my previous statement (I can not edit what I wrote). The Bovada player is now only at -70k usd, not -6 figures. And he he was winning at sportsbook, not at casino. Still my other observations stand. He was depositing after big wins, which is unusual. He kept depositing after winning streaks. I am sorry for not being accurate. Bovada is imho the best program for USA. But even they are not without problems, so I think the doubts of OP should be taken seriously.

[wonderpunter]

I have something similar, actually on a few sites.. myaffiliates software sites.

I saw the same pattern at their latam brand (since approx 2018 ), i was reporting it to Dana every year. In the end the account ended at minus 6 figures. But the latam is fenced from US/CA so i did not care anymore.

Moreover I recently saw this bonus abuse at commissionkings (that it was bonus abuse was confirmed by them). They thanked me for that and even refunded like 32K USD (the loss was higher than that, but fine...). At CK it was more transparent, because their version of myaffiliate software shows bonuses. The pattern was always deposit, big bonus, win, another deposit...

[GamingPro]

I have problems like this at all myaffiliates software sites. I think it is Myaffiliates scamming, not the actual casinos or sportsbooks.

[Sherlock]

I have problems like this at all myaffiliates software sites. I think it is Myaffiliates scamming, not the actual casinos or sportsbooks.

I was thinking the same.

But as I wrote at least one program (Commissionkings) thanked me and confirmed the bonus abuse.

It still might be somehow glitch in MA, but I doubt that, because even we (with limited data shown from MA) are able to see some weird things.

I have no idea whether the affiliate software is completely disconnected to casino software and especially if there is some game with slight edge for the house. I remember that many many many years ago, there were few BJ games with edge for player. Only many years ago (approx 15), there was still BJ switch at Playtech that still gave slight edge to the player, which meant that the bonus could be cashed out if you sat by the computer days and nights with good BJ switch calculator, which was not so easy (thee calculator). Today the calculator will be more accurate and maybe will add some 0.0X% of edge to some games, plus it might bee possible to program robots that will play (my guess, I am no more involved in online gambling).

But if wee see a pattern at MA (and it is still a if), my guess is that it will not be a problem of the affiliate program directly.

Another question is why someone, who found a way how to mine money from casinos, would use affiliate links to be revealed. Those guys know what they are doing. If it is a way how to hide then it is a stupidity, because affiliates care about their yields more than big gambling corporations.

[Malikbhai]

It's not hard to catch, if MyAffiliates is cheating CommissionsKings, Bovada, and others.

The main point is to keep reporting these matters here on GPWA of AffiliateGuardDog, so if there's any hanky-panky, it gets caught.

[JackV]

It's not hard to catch, if MyAffiliates is cheating CommissionsKings, Bovada, and others.

The main point is to keep reporting these matters here on GPWA of AffiliateGuardDog, so if there's any hanky-panky, it gets caught.

Think there's some confusion here.

MyAffiliates is just the software vendor that exposes the brand stats to the affiliate. They do not touch the affiliate payments nor have any incentive to manipulate the data. They simply bill the merchant a flat monthly rate.

What's going on here is there is a player abusing the bonuses (this I am certain about) - not some software error on the affiliate reporting. He's depositing, rolling it over in the casino, generating +ev wagers after bonus funds are included, withdrawing, and then redepositing it again. Thats why you see large deposits despite winning sessions.

[Sherlock]

I agree likely no direct MA problem. But the affiliate software can be with bugs. The inputs from casino might have errors. All softwares are possible to be manipulated by casinos and they are being manipulated when they correct some things or when they steal.

Affiliate software is not just a neutral code. I can imagine so many input output errors in stats when it is about moneyflows.

I wanted to post here the screenshots from CK, where I saw the same pattern as you. But guess what. They refunded me some money, but they completely deleted the fraud plays, bonuses, deposits...

[wonderpunter]

I was thinking the same.

But as I wrote at least one program (Commissionkings) thanked me and confirmed the bonus abuse.

It still might be somehow glitch in MA, but I doubt that, because even we (with limited data shown from MA) are able to see some weird things.

I have no idea whether the affiliate software is completely disconnected to casino software and especially if there is some game with slight edge for the house. I remember that many many many years ago, there were few BJ games with edge for player. Only many years ago (approx 15), there was still BJ switch at Playtech that still gave slight edge to the player, which meant that the bonus could be cashed out if you sat by the computer days and nights with good BJ switch calculator, which was not so easy (thee calculator). Today the calculator will be more accurate and maybe will add some 0.0X% of edge to some games, plus it might bee possible to program robots that will play (my guess, I am no more involved in online gambling).

But if wee see a pattern at MA (and it is still a if), my guess is that it will not be a problem of the affiliate program directly.

Another question is why someone, who found a way how to mine money from casinos, would use affiliate links to be revealed. Those guys know what they are doing. If it is a way how to hide then it is a stupidity, because affiliates care about their yields more than big gambling corporations.

10 years and I know patterns pretty well just last couple of months something has changed,m more deposits, more ftds.. but earnings way down across all brands using myaffiliates. perhaps if anyone else is seeing something similar? please comment

[drifter8]

I am seeing same strange stats in My Afffiliates programs - many deposits, new players and not bad To and commissions are dropping significantly for the last few months.
It can be due to some inputs or costs which are deducted from our incomes...

[patdog]

An affiliate tracking platform like myaffiliate would have very little to gain and everything to loose in cheating.
They are providing the tracking to affiliate programs and get paid usually on volume (clicks, transactions, signups, ect).

It would make absolutely no business sense for them to try to cheat in that manner.

Now on the casino side indeed, does the software sends correct information ? Cuz they can totally be changed at that level, even before the info is sent to MyAffiliates. That is a possibility.

[Sherlock]

Affiliate software provideers are all co-culprits of cheating. I have never seen a software that would show me manually deleted or corrected data (edited by affiliate managers).

Why? Because the affiliate programs do not want to show that.

[tufty]

An affiliate tracking platform like myaffiliate would have very little to gain and everything to loose in cheating.
They are providing the tracking to affiliate programs and get paid usually on volume (clicks, transactions, signups, ect).

It would make absolutely no business sense for them to try to cheat in that manner.

Now on the casino side indeed, does the software sends correct information ? Cuz they can totally be changed at that level, even before the info is sent to MyAffiliates. That is a possibility.

It would make no sense for them to refuse to facilitate manual manipulation of the data by their clients.

[Pokerface]

Thanks Jay_v, sending you and DM

I have been trying to find a good contact there for ages.