Who works the most?

[cass]

As an affiliate I just wanted to know who works the hardest, affiliates or affiliate managers?

I know affiliates have their work cut out at least those who put in a real effort; since it's not only building your actual website, but it also entails content research, seo, sem and many more.

I'd appreciate the input from affiliate managers as well.

Thanks,

Cass,

Internet casinos

[AWH-Gemma]

I think this question is far too subjective to answer as some affiliates work MUCH harder than others and I'm sure the same applies for affiliate managers

[Betpartners]

Ok i can see this thread has the potential to upset people and be divisive, so count me in

Seriously though working harder all depends on how that is defined.

Affiliates tend to work longer hours but does that mean they work harder, who knows.

Not sure it is too important anyway to know who works the hardest, some damn lazy affiliates out there and same applies to managers, personally all i am interested in, is the work i do and if the affiliate managers i work with are responsive.

For the most part the managers i work with are very hard working people and i hope they also appreciate the hard work i put in as well.

If either affiliate or managers dont do the work then they soon get found out.

[WinYourWayKyle]

I think this comes down to more of:
If you have a hard working affiliate who is willing to learn and put in the time, along with a good affiliate manager who understand the industry and can provide you excellent support, this can lead to a very profitable venture for both parties involved.

[CoopersPick]

there is no one general answer every scenario will be different some aff. bust their behinds to have a great program while others do a crappy job and put forth no effort. So its too subjective of a question.

[jackten]

Ok i can see this thread has the potential to upset people and be divisive, so count me in

Seriously though working harder all depends on how that is defined.

Affiliates tend to work longer hours but does that mean they work harder, who knows.

You want divisive?

Your statement is a silly generalization.

95% of affiliates and potential affiliates put minimal effort in. Only a small fraction of affiliates are "active" at once.

If you're talking about "successful affiliates" then your statement is probably true. But if we're talking about affiliates in general I'm probably sure the worst affiliate manager is considered a work horse.

[GamTrak]

I have to say AM's as I've been stuck in a "I don't want to work today" mode for well over a year now and until regulation hits that will not change anytime soon. LOL Thank god for those programs that live up to the contract of [Players for Life] or I'm sure I would be singing a different tune.

Five years ago I would have been amoung the hardest working affiliates of my peers, but now that the ground work has been laid I've cut back a lot and am now part of the 'Leisure Class' because my heart still is not 100% in it.

[Betpartners]

You want divisive?

Your statement is a silly generalization.

95% of affiliates and potential affiliates put minimal effort in. Only a small fraction of affiliates are "active" at once.

If you're talking about "successful affiliates" then your statement is probably true. But if we're talking about affiliates in general I'm probably sure the worst affiliate manager is considered a work horse.

I would be very interested in what you base your stats on, you say 95% of affiliates and potential affiliates put minimal effort in, what is your basis for that, is that your "gut" feeling or do you have some online sources thatw e can view that shows that to be accurate.

Also you say only a fraction of affiliates are active at once, again what is the basis of that statement, personally i would be very interested in seeing the stats that back that up as well.

Finally you say "if i am talking about successful affiliates", which tells me that you was not sure if i was talking all affiliates or just successful affiliates and yet you still call my statement a silly generalisation, strange observation.

Now for the record, i put a smilie at the end of my line about divisive and started the next line off with the word seriously, anyone reading that can see i was joking, so not sure why you have decided to pick me up on that.

Must be a slow day today

[jackten]

Now for the record, i put a smilie at the end of my line about divisive and started the next line off with the word seriously, anyone reading that can see i was joking, so not sure why you have decided to pick me up on that.

Must be a slow day today

I was joking, too?
As in, you said this could be a divisive topic, so I was going to give a divisive answer?

When it comes to statistics though, my statement holds true. The vast majority of affiliates don't work and don't make money. Obviously I invented the number 95% for dramatization but I didn't think you were going to take it literally..

I have personally heard of people who have paid 100 000$ worth of courses on how to make money online and have yet to publish their first page. Most people start and quit after less than 3 months when they don't see results.

My post was meant as an arguement, for fun.. don't be so sensitive!

[Betpartners]

I was joking, too?
As in, you said this could be a divisive topic, so I was going to give a divisive answer?

When it comes to statistics though, my statement holds true. The vast majority of affiliates don't work and don't make money. Obviously I invented the number 95% for dramatization but I didn't think you were going to take it literally..

I have personally heard of people who have paid 100 000$ worth of courses on how to make money online and have yet to publish their first page. Most people start and quit after less than 3 months when they don't see results.

My post was meant as an arguement, for fun.. don't be so sensitive!

Alright

But still think your figures are off, though i cannot say i know for a fact what the figures would be because i simply do not know, but in all honesty i just cannot see how 95% don't work and don't make money.

As an example if you take any medium affiliate program and lets say they have 5000 affiliates, based on just 5% making money and working that would mean that there are only 250 active affiliates in that program, i just cannot see that being the case.

Would be interesting to see what an affiliate manager says based on those figures as they would know more than us.

I accept that you did not mean those as literal figures, however even a figure above 50% i would find strange, even the laziest affiliates can get the odd sign up that brings in a few cents now and then.

I also think there are many affiliates that do work hard and have yet to make the breakthrough to earning decent money, so we are talking two separate factors.

In fact there are a whole range of equations based on the opening question that make this simply too hard to make a definitive answer.

[jackten]

Alright

I also think there are many affiliates that do work hard and have yet to make the breakthrough to earning decent money, so we are talking two separate factors.

You hit that right, there are many affiliates that work hard.

But I don't think they're the average Affiliate marketing attracts a ton of people. A lot of hopefuls that want to quit their day job and live the lifestyle we enjoy.

The thing is, it seems easier from the outside than it actually is: "let me put up some content and I'll make tons of affiliate money!"

Here's a real quote from someone on a forum I follow:

"Thank You XXXXXX,

You don’t know how much this means to me. I have spent about $30000. in one year jumping all over the place, and yes I am about to declare bankrupcy. I have done nothing but trying to learn how but then something new comes along and the rest is history.
The only good of it is now i don’t have the money any more to jump around so now I have to use what I have and that’s it."

I have also personally heard a lady who bought multiple websites and paid 2 000$ for an online marketing course.. and she didn't know ANYTHING about online marketing. Like, she didn't even know where to host the websites.


So.. The worst aff manager definitively works harder than the average affiliate. Much respect to them, except the scammers.

PS:

Here's another sad one..

"XXXXX,What a breath of fresh air! My family is about ready to throw either me or the computer out the window. I have drained my retirement savings buying into program after program but still don’t know how to market and profit.Like many others state. there is information overload but getting from a to b is the main problem. I look foreward to your videos and hope to make that first $500. Mxxxx"

[Nandakishore]

The vast majority of affiliates don't work and don't make money.

I think some affiliates work, but don't make money, while some other don't work, but make money because they know how to make money.

[wagerjunction]

I would add that it also depends on the individuals.

Some people are innate hard workers, others work hard because their livelyhood depends on it while others still are more laid back.

If either affiliate or managers dont do the work then they soon get found out.

This is also true. I guess an affiliate who has not been working sees it as a more or less important drop in revenue.

Now from an AM's side, as a company employee one has to account for the work one has done and provide results. If the AM is unable to give satisfactory responses to his employers the person could be shown the door.

[LiveCasinoPartners]

I have to say AM's as I've been stuck in a "I don't want to work today" mode for well over a year now and until regulation hits that will not change anytime soon. LOL Thank god for those programs that live up to the contract of [Players for Life] or I'm sure I would be singing a different tune.

Five years ago I would have been amoung the hardest working affiliates of my peers, but now that the ground work has been laid I've cut back a lot and am now part of the 'Leisure Class' because my heart still is not 100% in it.

I like the fact that you are brutally honest with yourself. It's not an easy thing to do. lol

Now, as far as who works more? It's a tough question. I'm sure there are many affiliate managers that work very hard (Props to Gabriel), but affiliates work hard too. I think if you added all of the productivity of affiliates and affiliate managers you'd find that the absolute productivity is higher with the affiliates. Only because there's more of them.

I think there's more pressure as an affiliate. You have to produce, which means an added stress. Affiliate managers usually receive a monthly salary. Affiliate program directors can be stressfull, but there's nothing more stressful than relying on a check to pay your bills, and feed your family etc.

[AWH-Gemma]

[quote=jackten;624455]
But I don't think they're the average Affiliate marketing attracts a ton of people. A lot of hopefuls that want to quit their day job and live the lifestyle we enjoy.quote]


I would agree that like any 'work from home' job affiliate marketing definately attracts a lot of people that try and fail, more in other sectors than gambling though. With so many affiliate marketing 'make money now!' type sites out there people see it as a get rich quick scheme or a quick solution to the 9 to 5, try, realise that its hard work like any other job and then quit or just don't have the enormous amount of patience needed to bear with affiliate marketing when they don't see the desired results immediately. I'm not too sure whether I would class these people as affiliates though or people that have once dabbled in affiliate marketing.

[GamTrak]

I like the fact that you are brutally honest with yourself. It's not an easy thing to do. lol

I think there's more pressure as an affiliate. You have to produce, which means an added stress. Affiliate managers usually receive a monthly salary. Affiliate program directors can be stressfull, but there's nothing more stressful than relying on a check to pay your bills, and feed your family etc.

You are right about that LCP! It's extremely stressful in the begining.

When I quit my FT job to do this I would pray to just make enough to pay my rent, utilities & food which somehow happened each month. I started saving as much as I could and I remember one month when my revenue was more than I had made the year before as a temp for an employment agency was all I needed to motivate me to work 12 hours a day 6 days a week for about five years.

[Former Member 14]

I have to say AM's as I've been stuck in a "I don't want to work today" mode for well over a year now and until regulation hits that will not change anytime soon. LOL Thank god for those programs that live up to the contract of [Players for Life] or I'm sure I would be singing a different tune.

Five years ago I would have been amoung the hardest working affiliates of my peers, but now that the ground work has been laid I've cut back a lot and am now part of the 'Leisure Class' because my heart still is not 100% in it.

It's ok Robin, I'm pretty much the same these days too.

We've both basically been in the industry for 10 years. In the first 3 years I worked more times than not 7 days a week & normally 12 hours a day. I'm sure you also kept a similar routine.

As you say the ground work has been put in...Unlike yourself I don't have any of my original sites but I do believe the longer your in the industry as and gaming affiliate, the more savvy you become to knowing how to turn a buck in a quick amount of time.

When I first started it took me 6 or 8 months to get my first depositor.

Now I can set a new site up and as soon as I get it listed in Google, no matter how small the initial traffic is I can get players signed up and depositing quickly.

I couldn't do that 5 years ago.

So I suppose in answer to the OP's question, I'm generally taking it more easy these days. I don't think I'm lazy because all the time I've spent in the industry is what I consider...in the words of Keith Richards (Rolling Stones) "it's the price of an education".


Cheers



Dave

[Lee-Ann]

Thanks Dave .... us Affiliate Managers appreciate the support

Think it deffo works both ways if both parties work hard both are rewarded - personally I think affiliates work damn hard and I wouldn't contemplate trying to do the job myself in a million years! So hats off to you guys that do it every day and make it a success.
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[GamTrak]

Now I can set a new site up and as soon as I get it listed in Google, no matter how small the initial traffic is I can get players signed up and depositing quickly.

I couldn't do that 5 years ago.

Yep, the experience you get sure helps out when you want to expand or, in my case, seek another avenue. I was able to get my social gaming site ranked with the big dogs in little to no time.

I've even cut back on that also as I think I'm just burnt out and ready to let hubby be the bread winner for a bit since he went into 'semi-retirement' in 2004 until this week. lol