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    Lloyd, you should be commended for laying it out there.

    Not many would have been brave enough to tell the truth about how that all went down, many of us knew what had transpired and many others suspected, but you are one of the true gems that understood dealing with us honestly, even when things went wrong, was the smart way to win our trust.

    During some of those days, although things were being turned upside down, I remember sticking with you since I felt that anyone that was willing to tell me honestly that even though things weren't right that they could improve, was worth giving the benefit of the doubt since I feel the honest approach is better.

    Sadly many of the newbies within the industry fail to grasp the concept.

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    Thanks Lloyd.

    I had my suspicions(now confirmed) and I dropped BrightShare some time ago.

    http://casino-directory.lots0cash.co...tion-1741.html

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    Lloyd was it a suspicion on the tags being played with or did you even see any hard evidence?

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    So is Brightshare scamming affiliates?
    If so will GPWA look into this based on what Loyld has said..?

    Loyd i have a site called belosers.com

    If you ever want to run your story about Brightshare i will post it up - anything you have to offer to help protect affiliates..

    Although I am also curious is this factual....

    I suspect at least 50% of the program here scam affiliates and you have really brought this out in the open that anyone can do this..

    Editing btags and and all sorts of things.

    My new motto (been sometime now) Do not trust anyone!

    The only person i trust now is my partner!!

    Even affiliates are scamming each other these days..

    Edit - Loyd if you get a chance PM me... i am possibly thinking of removing all my brightshare links the ones i have just need a little more info.

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    Thanks for the posts guys! As I'm sure you all can appreciate that I need to be very careful here from a legal perspective. I can't prove whether the reporting issue I encountered was deliberate or not... All I want to do is explain my experience, from my personal perspective as fairly and honestly as I can.
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    With regard to Brightshare our stats for the month of December is zero and they have top-placements on our sites. We're removing them as of today, go figure...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Thanks for the posts guys! As I'm sure you all can appreciate that I need to be very careful here from a legal perspective. I can't prove whether the reporting issue I encountered was deliberate or not... All I want to do is explain my experience, from my personal perspective as fairly and honestly as I can.
    And of course let everyone know that I'm back

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    Hey Lloyd,

    Good to have you back in the game!

    See you at LAC.

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    I brought conversions issue up back on 10/2011 over AGD.
    I always look to myself first why a program does not perform to expectations and keep trying different things, usually to the point of exhaustion.

    http://www.affiliateguarddog.com/for...are-t4534.html

    Personally, I have little trust in any MG programs these days. I've been under the impression for a long time that they and some other non-mg programs limit the # of active players based on affiliate size and whether they're usa affiliates.

    maybe I'm just paranoid, maybe its traffic but to be honest I've lost interest in the industry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slotplayer View Post
    to be honest I've lost interest in the industry.
    That's not good, why you say that? Bored of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    That's not good, why you say that? Bored of it?
    Hi Lloyd,

    I think what Slotplayer is implying is that too many programs are shaving affiliates nowadays and getting away with it.

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    Lloyd I was surprised to see you post as much as you did because of the legal reason.This reminds me of the South African guy who posted about another microgaming who was cheating yet he disappeared because of legal reason.I was a very strong microgaming supporter but these days it seems you have to treat a program on a case by case basis.Maybe 100% of programs are cheating us but at least some give us enough income we can pay the bills while others seem to have it already determined no matter how hard we work we will be making x number each month.

    Post like this do not normally affect our business decisions because for us we expect to see growth in the player base and the deposits month after month.If you know you have traffic and cannot see results from a program then something is wrong and not always shaving/cheating.There is one program (referback) I could not convert to save my life and I asked my manager to try a promo we do on another MGS casino ,it has really worked well and sometimes it is simple as a custom campaign for your traffic to see a positive change in results.
    Brightshare has always been a middle of the road performer for us ,I have one 'whale' that has been playing for 5 years but I feel where we have them the revenue is on par for the placements.It would be difficult to increase that exposure after seeing the feedback from my peers in this thread and ex employee remarks.

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    shaving, bordom, traffic, wires bouncing, chasing payments, chargebacks, stats problems. take your pick.

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    Now I understand why my earnings are/were mostly zero : those players are playing but Brightshare simply removed the btag.

    I did a test with mobile traffic and no revenue, switched programs and all those others showed earnings........

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    I hear you casinobonusguy and thank you

    For me this is about integrity... an affiliate program of a business builds it's success around quality products, attractive performance based earnings and integrity.

    For me life is about making real relationships through compassion and respect for other people and experiencing life together in a way that is vibrant, open and transparent. This industry is full of such people and that is what makes it so special.

    And to me one of the main functions of this community is to ensure that nobody forgets this and I see my self as one of this community and so I feel comfortable to speak openly about what I feel strongly about knowing that the people here understand and care, like yourself.

    We only live this life once and best if we do it with some integrity, compassion and heart

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    Quote Originally Posted by slotplayer View Post
    I brought conversions issue up back on 10/2011 over AGD.
    I always look to myself first why a program does not perform to expectations and keep trying different things, usually to the point of exhaustion.

    http://www.affiliateguarddog.com/for...are-t4534.html

    Personally, I have little trust in any MG programs these days. I've been under the impression for a long time that they and some other non-mg programs limit the # of active players based on affiliate size and whether or they're usa affiliates.

    maybe I'm just paranoid, maybe its traffic but to be honest I've lost interest in the industry.
    There are absolutely no rules nor bodies that can control nor regulate this industry so it seems which is really a shame.



    Dito that

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    Welcome back Lloyd.

    Why does your profile say 'Non-sponser Affiliate Program'?

    You'll forgive me if I'm a little weary. We've lost Pat you know. There was GAP and you had tried to do a GAP as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo View Post
    Welcome back Lloyd.

    Why does your profile say 'Non-sponser Affiliate Program'?

    You'll forgive me if I'm a little weary. We've lost Pat you know. There was GAP and you had tried to do a GAP as well.
    Thanks Mojo, very sorry to hear about Pat...



    We are launching on GPWA in the next month, so not marketing yet, just saying hi...

    GAP was an idea to get a structure into the industry that would ultimately, from my perspective, ensure that the industry was responsible managed - but there were a lot of concerns about adequate affiliate participation that came up (which I understand fully and actually Renee was the strongest affiliate rep - so respect for that) and idea was buried, for now at least - if and until we see it fit to discuss again...

    So for now Happy Mayan New Cycle and speak soon
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    BrightShare completely rejects the incorrect, damaging and misleading statements made by Lloyd Apter, who left BrightShare nearly two years ago, which are being used to damage our good name and solid reputation. We see this as an intentional, malicious and unfounded discrediting of our reputation on a public forum. It is nothing more than a sad need for self-promotion, and a solicitation for renewed contact. We do not accept Lloyd’s attempt to generate personal business and draw interest to himself by creating negative buzz about his previous workplace.

    We are proud to be one of the most straightforward, honest and transparent affiliate programs in the gaming business. As always, we are open to direct and mutually respectful dialogue with all our partners and welcome any queries about our program through direct communication with our team of dedicated account managers.

    We would like to take this opportunity to wish everyone a wonderful 2013 - a year of health, happiness and prosperity. May we all experience continued growth and strong partnerships based on respect, professionalism, mutual benefit and honesty – values which we stand for.

    The BrightShare Team

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    Welcome back Lloyd! have a great 2013

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