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    At the end of the day, they are grown ups. And if they found you as an affiliate that means they were looking for you. They had decided that they would gamble even before your site convinced them to

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    I give out honest information and only promote casinos that I have deposited, played and withdrawn real money at myself. I also give numerous money management tips, bonus strategies and tips on how to avoid going broke. That said, I have read some terrible advice on other affiliate sites. From "100% fail proof winning Roulette strategies" to flat out false information about bonus wagering requirements. One of Holland's top sites even encouraged small players to "bet like a high roller because that is the only way to win big and be succesful in life. And if you lose, you should definitely bet more to win it back." Now that kind of criminally bad advice firmly goes against my principles and causes me to lose respect for this particular affiliate. Of course, there is a still a very fine line between selling a progressive jackpot for instance (you must play it now, while it is at a record height!) and telling the real truth (you have a better chance of being hit by lightning twice on the same day). I always advise people to try to win the Mega Moolah, but only for twenty euros, as the chances are so low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrG View Post
    When i look at my affiliate accounts, people are gambling away so much money. I sold my affiliate business 2 years ago now, but this still troubles me. Have i done something wrong here?

    Even if you have millions, you are still poor if you dont have your soul 100% intact.

    Im still young, in my mid 20´s, and i was planning to travel the world, but i dont know if i dont feel ok. What was it all worth if it ended up like this? Why do i feel bad?

    I just want to look up in the sky when i was a kid and feel 100% free.

    I see myself as an average Joe, from a normal family where everyone takes responsibility and work.

    When i started out i found the affiliate world and the money in gambling affiliate to be extremely exciting. I think every guy in his late teens/early 20´s would feel the same. Some years ago when i was very lonely i started to think. I looged into some casino sites, looking for their ”cheap tricks”, immoral behaviour, and tricks towards the player, and other stuff that would be distructing for me. I think i saw some stuff like quick-deposit and point assembling monitors (even when you logged out) that gave me something in my stomach (i never gambled myself). After that a year after i decieded to sell my business, but as mentioned this still troubles me if i have done something wrong.

    Please speak your mind.


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    Well said, moral has to be kept high and entertaining should be the main goal!

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    Moral.... I bet you wouldn't feel guilty selling alcohol and tobaccos that Governments Endorse thou.

    I don't feel sorry for a person who gambles, they do it of their own free will.

    As a matter of fact it is persons like me who is protecting these gamblers from themselves by educating them on where to play and who to avoid in this industry. So i see no problem earning some money for my efforts.
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    I feel what you're saying OP. I think it about as well and it's not a 100% great situation but, as the more sensible posts in this thread have pointed out you can't control the behaviour of other people.

    If you rank for 'what is the best online casino' then the intention of the searcher is very different from doing a random leaflet drop with a free cash bonus through 1,000 people's doors... what I'm saying is with or without you that searcher is going to gamble. In the second situation you've potentially got someone hooked who hasn't been exposed before.

    I believe the two are quite different. Others may not. We all draw our own moral lines and what's over the line for you might not be for someone else.

    If you made this thread looking for reasons to feel ok about what's going on I think there are some solid ones listed but there are always going to arguments against them as well. You've just got to decide what you are comfortable with.

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    Having worked in another legal industry known for addiction and potential impact on health I can understand both sides of the argument. I was not a consumer of the product but comfortable in working in the legal industry. I did not really think about the product that was being marketed rather doing my best to have consumers choose our product. People will purchase the product so why not from my company.

    The same applies to the gaming industry. I will promote the sites that are reputable and are the best. In all cases they must be legally available in the markets accessed. Whether players choose to access sites through our site or not they will access one way or another so why not through our site.

    It is not my place to tell others what they can or not do. As long as I am acting within the legal boundaries of the industry individuals will need to make their own decisions.

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    Legality and morality are skew lines. If something is legal (e.g. killing someone), then it does not mean it is moral (or that it is not moral). It only means that the one doing so will not be prosecuted by the state, who has the monopoly on violence. Legality in other words it means that the state approves it.

    And states all the time approve nasty things.
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    You can only find my website if you already made the decision to gamble.

    For that reason I do not feel guilty, because it's either mine or one of other hundreds of gambling affiliation websites

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    And states all the time approve nasty things.
    Depends where you live and who is voted into power. If you have a stable government, with separation of church and state, over a long period of time you should eventually have more citizen friendly laws.

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    Thank you for your comments on this thread. I have been ashamed for what i wrote, and i didnt dare to look.

    What i did before choosing an casino to promote was if they had a stylish layout/frontpage, if they were licensed, which games they had, like Net Entertaiment etc.

    I was thinking like, does it appear to be serious, and would it convert. I never registered and played at the casinos, taking out, withdrawel money etc. I was thinking since its quite the same games, this casino would look quite thesame as anyone else.

    I think most of the sites i promoted are considered ”good” sites in the sense, they were like legally operated, its just that people at some casinos seem to gamble away so much more money at other places. For example people in general for example gamble away so much more money at for example LeoVegas and Thrills than for example at Betsson or Casino Euro.

    I initially saw it like this, that the brands they play more at simply have more fun games and better experience. However when i logged in to check out several of those sites more further where my players use to play a lot at, i find my expession of more of a greedy one.

    I got the sense that they dont care about your best/wellbeing, as the overall feeling. They want you to get addicted to gamble away a lot of money.

    For me it feels a bit like bullying. I have personally experienced and suffered from this at school, and if i have in any way supported this or contributed to it, thats what i think affected me.

    For example Casinostugan.com have a feature where you assemble points when you logged of, doesnt this trigger compulsive behaviour?

    Yes, i have suffered from depression. I have easily to get very deep in my thoughts in a way thats not good for me. I have also really hard to acknowledge to myself when i have achieved something. When i have achieved something it feels a bit i have cheated in some way. These problem may screws up things for me, and affect my view on stuff.

    I enjoyed it so much i did not dare to log in and look at the sites. I told myself dont do it.

    I feel bad when i spend and use the money i maked, and of course i hate this feeling. Its like all work and time i put into my sites i put in, was to no wain.

    I know there are some good people in this industry, but there are some that really dont like people for five seconds (its ok to not do) but it´s like they want to payback against the human race and some of those might be running some of those sites?

    It have actually helped me a bit (the answers from this thread), reliefed a bit when the player have actually taken the decision to gamble before he or her entered my site.

    I ranked my casinos on my sites mainly after converting, and then player value - like no-in depth analysis. If they convert well and people play for a lot
    – people might like them.

    Thank you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrG View Post
    Thank you for your comments on this thread. I have been ashamed for what i wrote, and i didnt dare to look.
    It was a good question to ask and there is nothing to feel ashamed about.

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    People's funds are their own prerogative to spend and as long as gambling exists there will be those who feed the system as much as it may hurt sometimes to watch some people lose out and make you feel responsible remember you didn't force anyone into anything they could have chosen otherwise.

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    If someone came to my website, decided they wanted to signup with a reputable betting company and lost a million dollars.

    It would be a great day.

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    Thanks for your posts MrG!

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    I think is not fault of who promotes the online gambling, as long as affiliates promote reputable and safe online casinos, is people´s choice what to do, people who must "educate themselves" to don´t spend more than what they can afford.
    People who choose to gamble, will do it anyway, if not in 1 site it will be on another.
    Even already exist thousands of affiliates, still exist some that focus on promote rogue casinos, and if who promotes the reputable brands stop do it only because "players get addicted", the rogue ones will increase.... and many will lose much more....

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    For us its very important that we write to inform the readers that they should not spend more than they can handle. Aldo I think that we the affiliates have big responsibility for the readers/customers to inform only the serious casino in the marked. We try to due diligence all of the casinos we have listed and we also write genuine reviews. Also I think the casinos have biggest responsibility for not pushing to much like SMS, emails. But also on the other hand its like selling alcohol at the liquor store, the seller are not responsible for the actions of the user.

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