Neverfold.net

**Topboss** · 14 February 2009, 9:44 am

I have received this email to every one of my portals and needless to say when you visit his site - he has not placed a link on his home page. I just think it is a way to recruit new people to his forum. If so, he is going about it totally the wrong way. I have sent him numerous emails and he does not respond.

Hello,

As I was surfing around msn , I discovered your website: http://www.jackpotcrazy.co.za I am trying to add as many informative websites as possible to my site. Which in turn will benefit my users as well as provide you with relevant traffic to your site. I have a website that just started but has 1,000 - 1,500 people on it per day who fit the same demographic as your site.

If you follow this link, xxhttp://www.neverfold.net you will see that I put your link on my homepage. Some website owners do not like when other sites link to them so I thought I might ask for your review.

Please get back to me when you have a chance, to let me know if the link I have placed suits your needs. Also if you would like a custom Title for it just send me a email and I will get it updated.

Have a good week,

Mark Jubenville
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email: mark.jubenville@neverfold.net
website: xxhttp://www.neverfold.net
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**wagerprofits** · 14 February 2009, 10:42 am

Snap i got the same....

Shaun

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From: Mark Jubenville [mailto

ark.jubenville@neverfold.net]
Sent: Sat 2/14/2009 8:21 AM
To: affiliates@paynorake.com
Subject: Your Poker Site

Hello,

As I was surfing around google , I discovered your website: http://paynorake.com I am trying to add as many informative websites as possible to my site. Which in turn will benefit my users as well as provide you with relevant traffic to your site. I have a website that just started but has 1,000 - 1,500 people on it per day who fit the same demographic as your site.

If you follow this link, xxhttp://www.neverfold.net you will see that I put your link on my homepage. Some website owners do not like when other sites link to them so I thought I might ask for your review.

Please get back to me when you have a chance, to let me know if the link I have placed suits your needs. Also if you would like a custom Title for it just send me a email and I will get it updated.

Have a good week,

Mark Jubenville
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email: mark.jubenville@neverfold.net
website: xxhttp://www.neverfold.net
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This email was sent to affiliates@paynorake.com, by mark.jubenville@neverfold.net

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**Topboss** · 14 February 2009, 11:39 am

I have just received this email from him. I don't know whether he is playing dumb or if he is trying to show people his intention to put up a link if you link back to him, because his screenshot shows he has put up a link to me but it is not on the actual site. I am not too sure what i think of him....

Hello,

The page is a bit busy I just took a screen shot of it for you you can see it here : xxhttp://www.neverfold.net/screensfG3g.jpg

Thanks for letting me add your site to my directory. Your site will be a great addition to the website and of great value to my users. Today I actually received an email from one of my users about your site, it was very positive which reinforces my initial thoughts about adding you.

I was wondering if my site would be of value to your viewers and if so would you be able to add it to you site as well? If you have an available spot on your home page that would be really great but anywhere you think my site would fit in would be fine. I've put my site information below for you to look over.Let me know either way if you could.

Title: Poker sites
URL: xxhttp://www.neverfold.net
Description: One of the leading poker sites on the internet.

Have a good week,

Mark Jubenville
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email: mark.jubenville@neverfold.net
website: xxhttp://www.neverfold.net
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**GFPC** · 15 February 2009, 6:37 am

I got the same email twice in 4 hour intervals. When i went to his site, i actually saw my link where yours was suppose to be.

That's really weird and i think if you do not link back afterwards, maybe he removes the link.

Strange!!!

I had a weird feeling about it, but emailed him indicating i liked his forum.

It does seem like its a generated forum in a way, like the fakes posts i dont know i just get that feeling.

maybe to build traffic, fast PR ect.. then sale off.

my thoughts anyway..

Oh well lets see how long my link lasts.

Steve

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As I was surfing around yahoo , I discovered your website: http://www.getfreepokercash.com I am trying to add as many informative websites as possible to my site. Which in turn will benefit my users as well as provide you with relevant traffic to your site. I have a website that just started but has 1,000 - 1,500 people on it per day who fit the same demographic as your site.
If you follow this link, xxhttp://www.neverfold.net you will see that I put your link on my homepage. Some website owners do not like when other sites link to them so I thought I might ask for your review.
Please get back to me when you have a chance, to let me know if the link I have placed suits your needs. Also if you would like a custom Title for it just send me a email and I will get it updated.

Have a good week,

Mark Jubenville <HR style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)" align=left width="50%" color=#000000 SIZE=1>email: mark.jubenville@neverfold.net

website: xxhttp://www.neverfold.net
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**GFPC** · 15 February 2009, 6:38 am

I have this funny feeling,

He has come here to GPWA and has emailed several of us here to do this.

Just an FYI, if anyone has this let us know!!

Dont forget "Never Fold" LOL

Steve

**Dominique** · 15 February 2009, 7:35 am

I got the same, and when I follow the link I see GamesandCasino in first spot for links.

It would be interesting to have some people who do not own websites go there and find out what they see as top link...

**GFPC** · 15 February 2009, 7:41 am

Its A scam of sorts.. for sure.. based on what you said... i changed my IP and got a different list of sites in there.

Also when i use chrome IE or firefox all those links change.

Bizarre... i wonder how this being done.

S

Originally Posted by Dominique

I got the same, and when I follow the link I see GamesandCasino in first spot for links.

It would be interesting to have some people who do not own websites go there and find out what they see as top link...

**GFPC** · 15 February 2009, 7:55 am

Even the links in page source where you check source shows different links, as well as hidden links...

Think Black hat??

S

**GFPC** · 17 February 2009, 6:30 pm

Hey Top Boss.

Check this out?

Hello,

You are more then welcome to add your other sites, I do ask that you return the favor to add your other sites goto : xxhttp://www.neverfold.net/add-sites/ use this password to submit the form: q5oCb
To change your title I have set up something so you can change your title at any time that you want just goto xxhttp://www.neverfold.net/change-title/ use this password : q5oCb and you are all set! If you have any problems with that let me know it is still fairly new.
We currently do not have room for a banner hopefully a text link will be fine for you.

Thanks for letting me add your site to my directory. Your site will be a great addition to the website and of great value to my users. Today I actually received an email from one of my users about your site, it was very positive which reinforces my initial thoughts about adding you.
I was wondering if my site would be of value to your viewers and if so would you be able to add it to you site as well? If you have an available spot on your home page that would be really great but anywhere you think my site would fit in would be fine. I've put my site information below for you to look over.Let me know either way if you could.

Title: Poker forum
URL: xxhttp://www.neverfold.net
Description: Talk about poker with like minded individuals.

Have a good week,

Mark Jubenville

Sound familiar??? Looks like we both were duped... LOL....

SAme thing for me, the link was removed.

Terrible isnt it.

**LiveCasinoPartners** · 17 February 2009, 9:06 pm

I think I know what's going on here. I received an email identical to this one from another site "Jebet". I though it was not spam at first. I went to the site, and found no link back to my pages. As it turned out they hired an SEO "expert", to build links. they trusted them to not do anything malicious. I can understand how this could happen. I think that as long as it's not a trend there's a little room for benefit of the doubt.

It's one of those examples of how hiring the wrong SEO can really screw up your efforts.

**Jacob** · 18 February 2009, 1:31 am

I got a similar email in my spam folder - clicked the link: neverfold.net/?pg=Ao2Dr (link text just said .net) and noticed the correct "backlink" on his site.

I asked a few friends to visit and they don't see the same link.

Viewed from a proxy (different IP) I don't see the link.

I'm not sure how hes doing it, but it is pretty clever. My theory is that "?pg=Ao2Dr" page detects the IP of the first visitor and then triggers the server to always serve your link to that unique IP.

**thepokerkeep** · 18 February 2009, 3:04 am

well if his intention was to get one way back links to his site.... look at this thread. He just got a few! If this guy is a spammer, using xx before the url in these posts would be appropriate.

**thepokerkeep** · 18 February 2009, 3:07 am

BTW - I just popped over there and see four links...

**GFPC** · 18 February 2009, 3:08 am

Originally Posted by thepokerkeep

BTW - I just popped over there and see four links...

the funny thing is i do not see those links or my link... he did email me today asking for return link.

I think not!!!

Total unethical seo he is doing.

**universal4** · 18 February 2009, 10:44 am

Originally Posted by thepokerkeep

well if his intention was to get one way back links to his site.... look at this thread. He just got a few! If this guy is a spammer, using xx before the url in these posts would be appropriate.

Good point. I just took the time to go through each of the posts and edited out 11 back links....LOL

By all means folks, when discussiong spammers etc, don't give them a valid link back.

BUT, if it's your own sites, or that of a friends or other members, there is no reason to mask the link.

Rick
Universal4

**VirtualFelt** · 20 February 2009, 9:41 am

I also received the same emails. In fact, when I searched for this guy on google, your posts on here allowed me to find this site. When I looked on his site, my website, Virtual Felt, was listed right there on the links on the left as well. I went ahead and threw his site up on mine. I then sent him an email informing him and giving some thanks for throwin' me up on his site, and his response was something along the lines of...

Thanks for adding my site. Please send me an email with the name of your site so I can put a link up on my site.

????? I might be new to this, but come on, I do have some sort of clue!

I immediately deleted all his links, emails, etc. so that is why I do not have the actual email. I didn't know what this guy was up to, so I wasn't taking any chances. What a clown.

P.S. Yes, I joined his forum...sad, so sad.

**Dominique** · 20 February 2009, 9:49 am

Good for you, taking the time to research him on google.

So many scammers out there, one has to be cautious.

**Jacob** · 18 March 2009, 1:34 pm

4 more emails from this guy in the last hour.

**MichaelCorfman** · 18 March 2009, 2:48 pm

I got an e-mail from this person also. The link to the site included a referral code. So it seems clear the referral code is used to identify what webmaster is looking at the site, and the sites to display on the home page of neverfold is determined on that basis. It is possible that is also combined with cookies to be able to display the same links on subsequent visits even without the referral code.

Anyway, it was clear it was pure trickery. I took the action of additing the website to our list of known websites and added that the owner was a spammer for future reference.

Michael

**Topboss** · 29 March 2009, 1:36 pm

Phew! These spammers or what ever you want to call them are always finding dishonest ways to keep ahead. It is getting to the point that I am now starting to delete all link requests unless it is from someone I recognize or from GPWA forum members etc.
its a real shame because there are some honest link requests out there who land up losing out due to the thieves...and that is the plain and simple word for people like neverfold - just a thief!!

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