No Question is Stupid

[ck8795]

hehehe yeah it's late but still gonna disagree with you. ( otherwise we might have people trying to cram their keywords as much as possible into link titles)

Google may pay attention to the alt attribute (minor) but afaik it ignores the title attribute or at the very least it has very little significance.

Edit - Just went to double check and can't find anything dated in the last year saying yes title attribute plays a role. Most pages I found say its dead and outdated.

randfish | February 7th, 2010 New!
Hey Rob - from our experiences, the "title" attribute of a link carries no weight/importance in search engines, but I wonder if others have different thoughts/data?
It's a question that comes up repeatedly in the SEO world for some reason.

http://www.seomoz.org/blog/the-elements-of-an-html-link

btw I know this is your thread and I sincerely apologize if I am in any way offending.

[GaryTheScubaGuy]

yea it is, but i love a good fight.

Your first problem is you follow Rand. Why not just follow Cutts and believe evrything he feeds you.

Better yet just do what I said and do the research I did do back my claims rather than rhetorical crap.

I NEVER listen to what people say - I have too many people that will call me out on any misinformation I would give being lazy trying to poke holes in theories rather than spending the time to resolve it myself - sort of what you are attempting to do right now.

Did you even try doing what I said?

Sry - its late and I'm grumpy

Going to bed now, but thanks for the debate - this is what this forum is all about. You remind me of colleague of mine; Jason Duke.

He thought he was right too.

[ck8795]

First I dont follow Rand ( I dont follow anyone really...although I do like Martinez and I do keep an open mind when it comes to what I read)

we are discussing the same thing right ???? title attribute - not alt, not anchor but the title attribute as Gooner pointed out in the previous post.

I don't think it has any part in the ranking of a page. Do I use the title attribute - nope - I haven't in few years. It's unnecessary and imho nothing more than bloat. <-- unless its from the user perspective - which really you could do with anchor text anyway.

but benefit of the doubt here I will give it a go on something else and if I am wrong will post back

Anyway enjoy your sleep and thanks for the convo

this ain't my first day.

Not mine either

[GaryTheScubaGuy]

Ps kaus - I never said it was a major factor - I said its one of many.

All attributes are minor with the exception of registration date, term, lateral content, LSI back links, who you link to and CTR - but its one they look at.

Hop over to SEOChat and delve your way through the arguments I've had with Fathom over the years about keyword metas - EVERYTHING matters - and if it doesn't hurt it helps..but i don't just SAY it - i have my staff and hundreds of colleague worldwide help me test my theories. My ass is on the line and there are too many cowboys out there trying to gain rep by discounting me - but trust me - Ive done the homework several times over before I open my mouth.

When you operate in the industries I do every little bit is worth the time because I compete in the 3 P sectors - Porn, Pills and Poker - so trust me kaus when I say - this isnt regurgitated BS and Mate, this ain't my first day.

Ps. Thank god someone has the balls to question things though Mate - I knew it would be you or the Gooner or casinobonusguy - i guess they don't work weekends.

[TheCanadianGambler]

Thanks for the informative reply! I was thinking more of on-page SEO, but thanks for the linking tips.

I should have worded the question better. Are the title and alt tags treated the same as regular content when looking at keyword density on the page?

Say you are creating a page about car parts, and want to target "car parts" as your main keyword. Say you have a bunch of images and links on the page, if you add title and alt tags to everything with "car parts", will it increase your keyword density on that page in the eyes of a search engine?

[GaryTheScubaGuy]

okay we are crossing posts and are both tired so I'll wrap up (until tomorrow! - because this is the stuff we need more of here mate - seriously! - lets debate everything as the lurkers love it!)

If it doesn't hurt you in night help. If you choose to be lazy - so be it - but I assure you there are dozens of SE algo's that DO look at alt tags, titles, keywords. and all the things you are avoiding based on Google rules and Google SEO.

Until I started optimising for Yandex, Voilla, Fireball, and dozens of other 2nd tier SE's across the globe I thought the same way - but the low hanging fruit converts nearly 10x as good as Google and subsidizes nearly 50%.

Once again - if it doesn't hurt it helps - and the whole world isn't just google.

[GaryTheScubaGuy]

Thanks for the informative reply! I was thinking more of on-page SEO, but thanks for the linking tips.

I should have worded the question better. Are the title and alt tags treated the same as regular content when looking at keyword density on the page?

Say you are creating a page about car parts, and want to target "car parts" as your main keyword. Say you have a bunch of images and links on the page, if you add title and alt tags to everything with "car parts", will it increase your keyword density on that page in the eyes of a search engine?

You need to read my response better next time.

Tag every image with alt tags and title, use LSI when doing it.

One thing I didn't add was to create a seperate directory for these images (and of course name it with your primary keywords), add it to your html and xml sitemap, and point to it in your robots.txt file as well.

I have been seeing a lot of pdf's in top result on very competitive terms lately so I would also use Adobe 7.0+ and create pdf's of each page, create a separate directory and add it to your xml and html sitemap as well and manually submit it.

Like I keep saying - every little bit helps if it doesn't hurt. We are up against companies that spend millions every month, many are my clients..short of blackhat you need to do everything and anything you can that the next guy - like me - may or may not be doing.

You guys are in gaming. DO EVERYTHING

Spend $59 and buy camtasia and make videos and submit them every day.
Write articles and submit them every day to dozens of sites - start your list today and build it every day.
Open multiple SBM accounts and utilise them every day.
Add friggen keywords BECAUSE THEY CAN"T HURT!!!!

I hope you get my point - you are up against me and a lot of people that know this stuff and use xrumer, hrefer, market samurai, bolg demon and all sorts of blackhat trash I have spoken about at GPWA, CAC and CAP conferences and have even published in the GPWA magazine.


You aren't is Kansas anymore Dorothy - this is a multi-billion dollar industry.

Treat it accordingly.

[GaryTheScubaGuy]

Ps. keyword density only matters in your URL and your back links.

On page density is insignificant. As I have already told you concentrate on LSI

I spent a lot of time on your answer - spend the same amount of time reading and understanding it.

[GaryTheScubaGuy]

btw I know this is your thread and I sincerely apologize if I am in any way offending.

Dude- thats what a forum is for - if you don't agree with something you need to debate until someone is proven right or wrong.

[GaryTheScubaGuy]

Oh...and kaus - if you don't follow Rand then dont quote him, regurgitate his crap or link to his site!

he yeah it's late but still gonna disagree with you. ( otherwise we might have people trying to cram their keywords as much as possible into link titles)

Google may pay attention to the alt attribute (minor) but afaik it ignores the title attribute or at the very least it has very little significance.

Edit - Just went to double check and can't find anything dated in the last year saying yes title attribute plays a role. Most pages I found say its dead and outdated.

Quote:
randfish | February 7th, 2010 New!
Hey Rob - from our experiences, the "title" attribute of a link carries no weight/importance in search engines, but I wonder if others have different thoughts/data?
It's a question that comes up repeatedly in the SEO world for some reason.
http://www.seomoz.org/blog/the-elements-of-an-html-link

btw I know this is your thread and I sincerely apologize if I am in any way offending.

Oh, one more thing - why do you think that post on SEOMoz's own site had 19 thumbs up and 11 thumbs down? Because 11 people know what I know and have repeatedly said in this thread. I'll tell you - because 11 people did the research and Rob (rand's employee) didn't. ..Nice article though - written well - but thoroughly discounted and probably embarrassing to Rand. Hmmmm. I'll ask him in S Africa and let you know.

[ck8795]

Dude- thats what a forum is for - if you don't agree with something you need to debate until someone is proven right or wrong.

Oh...and kaus - if you don't follow Rand then dont quote him, regurgitate his crap or link to his site!

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Google may pay attention to the alt attribute (minor) but afaik it ignores the title attribute or at the very least it has very little significance.

Edit - Just went to double check and can't find anything dated in the last year saying yes title attribute plays a role. Most pages I found say its dead and outdated.

Quote:
randfish | February 7th, 2010 New!
Hey Rob - from our experiences, the "title" attribute of a link carries no weight/importance in search engines, but I wonder if others have different thoughts/data?
It's a question that comes up repeatedly in the SEO world for some reason.
http://www.seomoz.org/blog/the-elements-of-an-html-link

btw I know this is your thread and I sincerely apologize if I am in any way offending. </td> </tr> </tbody></table>

CHA CHING!!!

Anything else Gary?????

You are asking lurkers to ask questions but when some openly say your wrong (which you are concerning google and yahoo and the link attribute) you get very defensive and borderline ignorant.

Why on earth would they want to ask you a question when odds are your going to be rude to them.

There is a difference between a discussion and being an ass.

Thank god I have no interest in a pissing match and if this is what gpwa has in store count me out - Ill stick to PAL.

Like I said before when I commented in your seo tips and called you on spam, I don't go to seochat because I can't stand reading through the bullshit threads.

Good night and enjoy your discussions - I'm out......

[GaryTheScubaGuy]

Enlighten me here kaus because I have no idea what you are saying here;

Like I said before when I commented in your seo tips and called you on spam, I don't go to seochat because I can't stand reading through the bullshit threads.

I don't spam and I have been writing Top 12 SEO Tips for 5 years now. Last year it was on the cover of GPWA magazine. What spam are you speaking of and when have you ever 'called me out'?

Additionally I have been a Moderator at SEOChat for just as long as well as many of the top SEO's in the world.

I also Moderate WebmasterWorld and several others...but what is your issue? I'm sorry I retracted you calling me wrong twice when I have done the homework and know better and all you brought was a link to SEOMoz to back up your bad advice.

Anyhow - here's my original response to your post...

No not the lurkers, just you kaus because you have nearly 900 posts and the lurkers and newbies look to you for substantiated advice - your not a newbie and if you can't take the heat avoid the fire.

I only pointed out the holes in your responses to my advice to the newbies - don't spin it and quit crying about it.

If I said something out of place it should be your mindset to call me out and set me straight - for the benefit of this forum - like I just did you.

Let's keep the feelings out of this - its not Day of Our Lives its a gaming forum and the next time you want to hijack a thread and contest something, bring better ammo, preferably your own.

[GCG]

Why on earth would they want to ask you a question when odds are your going to be rude to them.

There is a difference between a discussion and being an ass.

Could not have said it any better kudos to Kaus


Is this your top seo tip ?

xxhttp://www.vanguardseo.com/2010/07/05/tip-3-blogforum-spamming-automated-creation/

FYI : I HATE BLOG SPAMMERS !!

[GaryTheScubaGuy]

Could not have said it any better kudos to Kaus

No my top tip today is to ignore you and your posts because you are a poser and give terrible advice.

Maybe next time you should ask a question brainiac and not give bad advice, or SAY anything at all. I hate crybabies and plagiarists.

Stay off my sites - they are meant for real SEO's and people that know what they are doing.

[GaryTheScubaGuy]

Is this your top seo tip ?

xxhttp://www.vanguardseo.com/2010/07/05/tip-3-blogforum-spamming-automated-creation/

FYI : I HATE BLOG SPAMMERS !!

Nope - just arming REAL SEO's with information - That's only one of around 50 or so - but since your one of those idiots that try to shoot holes as I mentioned earlier you wouldn't know any better than to look past the surface. You read well enough though which is curious - is this what you did when you plagiarised your last comments?

Once again - if you spent your time constructively you might gain some respect - self respect and forum respect

[GaryTheScubaGuy]

FYI : I HATE BLOG SPAMMERS !!

I Hate posers and people that give bad advice to my friends. No I don't just moderate here - I know many of these people personally including the owner and if you keep pushing my buttons I do bite back...and I have a bad bite, and I have all of your dozen or so sites URL's now so I'll ask you to be reasonable and lets turn this constructive for the benefit of the members.

Sorry Mate but when I moderate - I MODERATE.

All I am asking you is to contribute, reference your advice, and help.

So can we be done with this now?

[Webzcas]

Is this your top seo tip ?

xxhttp://www.vanguardseo.com/2010/07/05/tip-3-blogforum-spamming-automated-creation/

FYI : I HATE BLOG SPAMMERS

If you have ever attended any of Gary's presentations or indeed read any of his tips, he always covers what the black hats do. You will note he doesn't endorse these methods, but informs us as to what techniques some of our competitors use.

This is good info to know IMO.

[GCG]

So can we be done with this now?<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

Yes Sir : Whatever you wish for I will treat as a command, and will effect.




I will stay away from the SEO discussions forum, sorry about the pic could not help myself.

[GaryTheScubaGuy]

Yes Sir : Whatever you wish for I will treat as a command, and will effect.




I will stay away from the SEO discussions forum, sorry about the pic could not help myself.

Great pic Mate - it made me smile - thanks for that!

[GaryTheScubaGuy]

And please don't stay away - its people like you that make it worth coming back here for free every day.

Thanks for the fb.