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    Dear Europartners team,

    it's my duty to bring the following to your attention.

    The owner of thepogg.com, only 4 years of business, is spreading in public false accusation against your brands behind your back. Obviously he is too much of a coward to stand up for his words directly "eye to eye" here in this area. It's a personal crusade because of personal animosities. He tries to hurt me with accusing you. His real name is public, and if someone is accusing someone else for a crime -directly or indirectly- his name can't be a secret, because there must be a chance to take legal actions against guys like that.

    thepogg is on tilt some days and yelling today: "Titan casino - the EuroPartners Titan casino - is STILL all over hacked sites. [...] here’s no question that the EuroPartner brands are still widely available on hacked sites. Why Roulette Zeitung has staged such a strenuous defence of this brand"

    His true intention is very clear. A portal, where programs will be blacklisted behind their back, accused of working together with hackers behind their back without bringing issues to the attention of representatives into their official program areas, that is nothing but shabby business.

    And thepogg makes no secret about that: "I've made no efforts what-so-ever to inform EuroPartners or the other brands from AffActive about these issues."

    Now we came to the simple facts.

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    Hacker Version #1 - Verifiedcasinos.com
    It's proven, that you Robin was the first, who stopped the cooperation with the hacker, and your banner vanished from the list.

    7. September 2014
    Miss Robin Becker
    "As of Friday we have asked the Affiliate to please remove our brands from his site and we have given him notice that we will be ending our partnership with him due to his unethical behavior. I hope he will remove our brands within the next few days but either way his account will be shut down on our end."
    Source: https://www.gpwa.org/forum/urgent-pl...tml#post766321

    8 Thanks ... and a very interesting detail: NO THANK from thepogg!

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    Hacking Version #2 - The shameful witch trail from 2014

    That was a huge flop. You was innocent, and this was confirmed in the public.
    Everyone can read the whole story here: https://www.gpwa.org/forum/gpwa-spon...og-220218.html

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    Hacking Version #3 - Luckycasinoslist (luckycasinoslist.com)

    It's proven, that you were never on this criminal list. All programs, who were on the list are published here: https://www.gpwa.org/forum/current-c...tml#post776542

    One day later Anthony contacted everyone on the luckycasinoslist.com list: "I have now contacted everyone on the list Leopold posted."
    Source: https://www.gpwa.org/forum/current-c...tml#post776619

    Again: You were never on the luckycasinoslist.com list!

    And now listen, what the owner of the pogg.com says today:

    "Firstly I've made no efforts what-so-ever to inform EuroPartners or the other brands from AffActive about these issues. The GPWA team has handled alerting all of their casino contacts to these issue. That to me would seem to be enough. Further to this though, as EuroPartners have made no efforts to cooperate when it's come to player complaints, which is the primary reason that I have not up till this point worked with them, I see no reason to invest time in informing them about other issues. Why would they be any more likely to respond to an issue like this when they don't respond to player issues?"

    "The GPWA team has handled alerting all of their casino contacts to these issue."
    This is the point of debunking the debunker!
    The GPWA team -Anthony- has alerted all casinos of the luckycasinoslist.com list as I quoted with Anthony's post. YOU were never altered in this case, because you never was on that list!


    So, what thepogg is writing is false accusing. He says openly, that he don't like your brands, and his crusade is a personal crusade against your brands -for whatever reasons- and my person. That have nothing to do with professional work. It's really a laughable act.

    If there is a 4th, 5th, 6th or 7th list anywhere, why thepogg is not bringing that to your attention, that you can act as you did in the past?

    A simple question: Why?

    The answer is simple. He don't want to help this industry. His goal is to hurt you and me as a supporter at any price. It's a trap, but this time a big disservice.

    "The GPWA team has handled alerting all of their casino contacts to these issue."
    This is the basement for his false accusation. But you was never on that luckcasinoslist.com list and if I am honest, I only read a few sentences of his posts, because he is completely out of control and I don't waste my time with people like that more than it's needed.

    If there is any other list, then the people have to bring that to your attention here in this are, that you can act perfect and lightning fast as in the past with any criminal who tried to abuse your brand. Accusing programs with things, they have no knowledge about that, is the lowest level of business. In Gemany this behaviour is a crime for good reasons.

    As long as a program have no knowledge about a criminal, who is abusing their brands, as long a program is innocent. We are not working in North Korea!

    Or do we?

    Robin, you can find his full post here: https://www.gpwa.org/forum/do-you-pr...tml#post778002

    Leopold
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    Okay RZ - I've reported this post as you've posted my personal details.

    As to EuroPartners - they are on hacked site - if someone for EP want to do something about that, it's up to them. Everything has been done on a public forum, nothing has been hidden on behind people's backs. Frankly I'd assumed you'd already alerted EP to that thread, given the close relationship you have with them.
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    It wasn't just the casinos on VC that were notified of this issue - https://www.gpwa.org/forum/affiliate...hlight=hacking.

    If EP are not keeping on top of this as it develops that's a failure on their part not mine
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    I am removing the surname from the thread.

    On a side note, I know the hacker is leaving sites up that are terminated. I have pressed some programs about still seeing the listing and they have showed me the account has been closed and even shown me the stats showing the hacker is no longer receiving credit for the traffic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony View Post
    I am removing the surname from the thread.

    On a side note, I know the hacker is leaving sites up that are terminated. I have pressed some programs about still seeing the listing and they have showed me the account has been closed and even shown me the stats showing the hacker is no longer receiving credit for the traffic.
    Considering you've seen the account - does that mean you have the name of the individual or company behind the hacking as well?

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    I have seen the name Steve Traf, but don't believe that is his real name. (in this case I am letting the surname stand)
    I have heard he is from Costa Rica, then later heard Russia. So unfortunately I can't say for sure who he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony View Post
    I am removing the surname from the thread.
    Is this the new policy of GPWA that people with a public name (!) will be protected and can false accuse real companies anonymous?
    If this is the result of a "cry for daddy" PM, then I am laughing my head off.
    We are near to the next conference, and paying programs will be very happy, it anonymous people have a free-ticket to harm their reputation without any substance.


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    I have seen the name Steve Traf

    Everyone can create a Skype Account with a trace to South America within minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung View Post
    Is this the new policy of GPWA that people with a public name (!) will be protected and can false accuse real companies anonymous?
    If this is the result of a "cry for daddy" PM, then I am laughing my head off.
    We are near to the next conference, and paying programs will be very happy, it anonymous people have a free-ticket to harm their reputation without any substance.


    "I have seen the name Steve Traf"
    Everyone can create a Skype Account with a trace to South America within minues.

    Leopold
    Yet the man who says that he has proof of a site removing reports for money doesn't have to provide any evidence......

    If EuroPartners want to know my name they are more than welcome to get in contact and I'll provide it to them directly. I keep my name offline where-ever possible because not all players behave responsibly when a complaint goes against them and I really don't need disgruntled players turning up at my door.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony View Post
    shown me the stats showing the hacker is no longer receiving credit for the traffic.
    Whether the hacker is still receiving credit for the traffic is only half the equation here - if the site are still accepting traffic from these sources they're benefitting directly from criminal activity.

    It's not that hard to put a redirction in place that sends this traffic into dead space - now that would be proof that they're not doing anything they shouldn't be.
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    Only a note for audience!
    The link of this thread is gpwa.org/forum/opinion-thepogg-com-221171.html
    This thread is censored!
    The original title was: "False accusation by thepogg.com"

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    The title was changed now to "Opinion by thepogg.com" to downplay this issue.

    A false accusation for GPWA is an opinon!
    Every German lawyer would shake his head.

    Greetings from North Korea!

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    Leopold,

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Affiliates feel quite different about programs, you know that. A program I think the world of, you might hate. But that does not change the fact that we each can state how we feel and why. I know you care about affiliate issues and have done a lot for the community; and when you feel something is wrong you passionately express it. If you feel Europartners has been unfairly portrayed, then state your case so others can decide, no need to go after an affiliate with a different take. I have edited the title of the thread.

    I believe this is one of the twisted reasons the hacker leaves up listings, it gets us arguing about programs. The only affiliate we should be going after is the hacker, not each other.
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    Now you have censored also the proof of censorship, the picture! Or is it a technical error?
    Unbelievable.

    If anonymous people or people without any websites in their profile = people without any trace, have a free-ticket here on GPWA, then you should not be surprised, why e.g. Robin is only writing here in this area and nowhere else.
    She is right in doing that. The day today bring to light, she's right.
    And she's not the only one.

    If GPWA is official supporting, that programs will be blacklisted and accused behind their back because of an alleged cooperation with hackers that the fistful of people (1%?), who are protecting programs, will be censored or stones will be thrown between their feets, then please sent a mail to all members, that this will be clarified.

    For me blacklisting and accusing programs behind their back because of an alleged cooperation with hackers (a serious crime) -AND THIS IS MY OPINION- is a douchey behaviour, two faced and for me simply unacceptable, street standard.

    Don't forget Clara! Similar situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony View Post
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    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. .
    That's just it. If anyone disagrees with RZ or one of his programs or beloved affiliate managers then this is what you get. It's happened to me and others. ThePogg is getting needlessly beat up and so did Ask Gamblers recently. It's getting out of hand.

    This is an example of what you get when you post a different opinion. That is in itself censorship. By intimidation.

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    YOU, as an proven active part of the shameful witch trail against Miss Becker from last year, that ended in a flop, -also for you- are indeed the right person for this topic.

    Proofs:

    https://www.gpwa.org/forum/gpwa-sponsors-rogued-affiliate-guard-dog-220218.html#post772501


    https://www.gpwa.org/forum/gpwa-spon...tml#post772522

    This is also a part of the truth and my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung View Post
    YOU, as an proven active part of the shameful witch trail against Miss Becker from last year, that ended in a flop, -also for you- are indeed the right person for this topic.

    Proofs:

    https://www.gpwa.org/forum/gpwa-sponsors-rogued-affiliate-guard-dog-220218.html#post772501


    https://www.gpwa.org/forum/gpwa-spon...tml#post772522

    This is also a part of the truth and my opinion.

    Leopold

    I posted support for AGD and you yelled and screamed at me so I had to report your post. I think if we were face to face you would have physically hurt me.

    I rest my case.

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    "I think if we were face to face you would have physically hurt me."

    In this industry are working people, open like a book.
    Now you want to paint a bully picture of me.
    "Please help me. Leopold hurts me."
    OMG.

    I have shown your post my wife.
    Normally she's not interested in Kindergarten like that.
    But this time I hurt her so much, that she must read it.

    But seriously, ...
    She's standing next to me and nevertheless lets you know: "Grow up!".

    She also have read the shameful witch trail with you as an active part.
    And my wife wasn't very amused about that.
    We in Germany have a lot of experience with "witch trails".
    So this is not funny.

    By the way: All this is her opinion. Is it okay, if I can be the transmitter of my wife's opinion?
    Yes?
    I am sure, she will never have another one again for this thread.

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    Leopold, personally attacking a member is not sharing an opinion. When we moderate a thread saying an opinion was made, that is not censorship.

    Our moderation is very liberal, we let a lot of stuff go. But, we do have rules and there has to be a level of moderation. Calling thepogg out the way you did, someone who care just as much as you do about affiliates is not appropriate. You can have a different take and can argue those differences, but you and I both know, if he created this same post about you, you would be lighting up the board saying how it crossed the line.

    You are free to defend the programs you care about and criticize the ones you don't. We all see how you adamantly defend your right to your opinion, don't the other members here have that same right? We can agree to disagree without going after each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thepogg View Post
    Whether the hacker is still receiving credit for the traffic is only half the equation here - if the site are still accepting traffic from these sources they're benefitting directly from criminal activity.

    It's not that hard to put a redirction in place that sends this traffic into dead space - now that would be proof that they're not doing anything they shouldn't be.
    This is a valid point. Even if a program terminated the affiliate account, but still received the "hijacked" traffic, the program is still benefiting from stolen traffic. Plus now they get the added benefit of not paying an affiliate for it. I will go through the list of programs still being displayed and see what they say when I suggest they redirect or close the links. I will post in the original thread so it will all be in one place.
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    I would suggest a redirection to some charitable organization or cyber crime enforcement agency - if it just leads to a 404 on the casino site they're still going to get some of the traffic

    I'd suggest the victims of cyber crime, but I suspect you'd have a queue round the block
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    Hi,I just want to jump in here and say that whenever we are notified about a hacker or abuse by one of our Affiliates we take it very seriously. Send me the links of where we appear and I will bring this to the Directors. We follow a pretty strict policy when it comes to hackers and once discovered we send an email notifying them their account will be terminated and ask for them to remove us from their sites, tracking links are removed and we no longer take any traffic from this site. Usually if we see they have not removed us we will try calling and emailing several more times but if they don't comply and don't respond there is not much else we can do. If you have suggestion I am open to hearing them.Best,Robin
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