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    Default Seaniemac and Apollobet

    I think a few are aware of the huge problems I have had with SeanieMac over the last couple of years but for those that don't the problems started about 2 years back when payments started slowing down, then stopped. I was chasing them up and get excuse after excuse and broken promise after broken promise. Boylesports were pretty crap (their service provider) and didn't care and this continued for month and months, well over a year. I am certainly not the only affiliate that this happened to, Im pretty sure it was all of us so any others feel to chime in.
    They did start to randomly send me payments of 1000 every few months but lets make this clear, this was nowhere near what they owed me and due to the stats being in euros i quickly lost how much they actually owed me. Not forgetting how much I have lost over time with the euro/gbp exchange rate moving quite abit since i first invoiced them.

    I chase them still, Garreth Core seems to be the only one to accept any acknowledgement of the brand but usually just says he'll get back to me and never does, last update was 18th Feb where he promised an update, im still waiting and still being ignored.

    What has Apollobet got to do with this i hear you ask, well here is the kicker, but first a little bit more of an update.

    Apollobet used to be with that crappy TGP and was a jenningsbet white label. They moved to Boylesports and closed their affiliate program with the usual promises all players would be migrated once the new aff program is up and running. About a year later they were back on the affiliate scene with the excuse they couldnt the the data of old players from TGP people. Eventually, so they say we did get these players migrated, BUT, (and you can thank me later) this was only because all the running around I did between Apollobet, TGP and 138.com who own half of it or something. If it wasn't for that no one would of had their players moved, if indeed we really need. To be fair to Apollobet they did then seem to get their **** together, but now???

    Well I some funny information. Seaniemac have suspended their betting operation (ignored me again in skype btw). Apollobet will be soon closing their white label with Boylesports and merging with SeanieMac on their own platform. That is right, seaniemac and apollobet are merging as one and on the sm site it says both sites are companies of seaniemac holdings. This can not be good.

    I have reached out to my contact at Apollobet and got all the usual bollocks, although they are ignoring me now as well so I can only assume Apollobet will be going down the same line as seaniemac and all the hard work we as affiliates have done in the past will be pissed all over. I can see all these bad habits from seaniemac taking a hold of the apollobet brand and get even worse when they merge.

    Thought I'd warn you all and give you the heads up if you consider sending anymore customers to Apollobet and this new super brand once they merge and launch
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    just thought I'd update a little more. I have invoiced seaniemac for the final months and copied in all the contacts at seanie and apollobet

    not one single reply

    i also gave them 15 days to pay everything up or im sending in debt collectors

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    right, 15 days was up yesterday, about 10pm I got an email asking for a statement of accounts. replied saying i didnt know what that was and I'd been fair enough with my dealing but if they aint sorting it Im taking it further etc etc. I got this reply today

    Aidan
    Why are you always so abrasive
    I made a simple request and if this is your attitude I have plenty other creditors to pay
    Feel free to go to debt collection if this is your wish
    Regards
    Liam

    so you can see the attitude of the people on the seaniemac side. I've made a last ditch attempt to reach out to people who run the apollobet side but so far nothing. Stacy who posted on this site a few times has totally blanked emails and so far so has leon hosking, who is now a director of the merged sites

    i'll update if i get any further contact or progress tonight or tomorrow but if not it is the debt collector route tomorrow.

    should this be sent to the unethical section as well? maybe not yet?

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    just wanted to ad as well that all though sometimes I give Allan at Income access a hard time if i think income access deserves it he is always helpful and in this instance is trying to bring the 2 parties together when he doesn't have to

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    Unethical - Of course it's unethical.

    A man who hits a woman is not a man - Just like a bookmaker who reneges on payments is not a bookmaker.

    I'm sure he does have other creditors, it's usual if you don't pay.

    If this was in the UK i would make a file, and then present it to the licensing commission. I would simultaneously give it to a lawyer and ask them to put it up for a court hearing. The debt collector part comes after the courts have sanctioned the payment.

    Then after i had collected, i would put messages on every board out there and the local press asking people to come forward.

    I know it's not nice to litigate, but you need to get used to it the way this business is going!!



    Quote Originally Posted by thebookiesoffers View Post
    right, 15 days was up yesterday, about 10pm I got an email asking for a statement of accounts. replied saying i didnt know what that was and I'd been fair enough with my dealing but if they aint sorting it Im taking it further etc etc. I got this reply today

    Aidan
    Why are you always so abrasive
    I made a simple request and if this is your attitude I have plenty other creditors to pay
    Feel free to go to debt collection if this is your wish
    Regards
    Liam

    so you can see the attitude of the people on the seaniemac side. I've made a last ditch attempt to reach out to people who run the apollobet side but so far nothing. Stacy who posted on this site a few times has totally blanked emails and so far so has leon hosking, who is now a director of the merged sites

    i'll update if i get any further contact or progress tonight or tomorrow but if not it is the debt collector route tomorrow.

    should this be sent to the unethical section as well? maybe not yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syndicate View Post
    Unethical - Of course it's unethical.

    A man who hits a woman is not a man - Just like a bookmaker who reneges on payments is not a bookmaker.

    I'm sure he does have other creditors, it's usual if you don't pay.

    If this was in the UK i would make a file, and then present it to the licensing commission. I would simultaneously give it to a lawyer and ask them to put it up for a court hearing. The debt collector part comes after the courts have sanctioned the payment.

    Then after i had collected, i would put messages on every board out there and the local press asking people to come forward.

    I know it's not nice to litigate, but you need to get used to it the way this business is going!!
    Some good advice, but you can't take a bet from a UK citizen without being licensed in the UK by the Gambling Commission - and they are. But both these white labels are licensed under the Boylesports Gambling Commission License. See this link:
    https://secure.gamblingcommission.go...ccountNo=39469

    While taking any complaint to the Gambling Commission has to be a good idea, they were set up by government and told to generate enough money from licence fees to cover their own costs. So I sense they are more interested in collecting their very inflated betting licence fees and building an empire than bothering to solve industry problems. Nevertheless, that is one place to go to with any complaint, along with court action.

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    To be honest i wasn't aware that they were licensed in the UK - but i would see that has a positive.

    I agree with regards to the Gambling commission - but they still have a responsibility, and their could be financial problems within the company - so some exploration needed.

    I'm of the opinion that some of the bigger affiliates should be setting precedence here -- How did that Bob Marley song go? Get up stand up ............

    Quote Originally Posted by justbookies View Post
    Some good advice, but you can't take a bet from a UK citizen without being licensed in the UK by the Gambling Commission - and they are. But both these white labels are licensed under the Boylesports Gambling Commission License. See this link:
    https://secure.gamblingcommission.go...ccountNo=39469

    While taking any complaint to the Gambling Commission has to be a good idea, they were set up by government and told to generate enough money from licence fees to cover their own costs. So I sense they are more interested in collecting their very inflated betting licence fees and building an empire than bothering to solve industry problems. Nevertheless, that is one place to go to with any complaint, along with court action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syndicate View Post
    To be honest i wasn't aware that they were licensed in the UK - but i would see that has a positive.

    I agree with regards to the Gambling commission - but they still have a responsibility, and their could be financial problems within the company - so some exploration needed.

    I'm of the opinion that some of the bigger affiliates should be setting precedence here -- How did that Bob Marley song go? Get up stand up ............
    when the hacking thing was going on someone approached the GC about licensed firms working with hackers, they weren't interested so doubt theyd be bothered about a white label not paying affiliates

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syndicate View Post
    I'm of the opinion that some of the bigger affiliates should be setting precedence here -- How did that Bob Marley song go? Get up stand up ............
    If you read the very long skybet thread on this forum (when you have a spare day):
    https://www.gpwa.org/forum/skybet-ch...es-224478.html

    You will find that all these issues and legal implications were discussed at length and all sorts of things threatened re: legal action against skybet. As far as I am aware it was all very good talk but absolutely no action. It just showed that you are on your own and you have to fight your own battles, because nobody else has the stomach for it.

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    Maybe - Get a lawyer to write the bookmaker and tell that litigation could reflect badlyon licensing.

    Would you know - do they have a lot of affiliates?

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    when the hacking thing was going on someone approached the GC about licensed firms working with hackers, they weren't interested so doubt theyd be bothered about a white label not paying affiliates

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syndicate View Post
    Maybe - Get a lawyer to write the bookmaker and tell that litigation could reflect badlyon licensing.

    Would you know - do they have a lot of affiliates?
    Im getting debt collectors in if they dont pay. more than i've ever seen anyone else do in this industry

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    As you all know I hate posting on this 2 face money obsessed farce of a fake industry standard forum (buffalo partners cough cough, hacking cough cough) but there are a few decent people on here so thought I'd try and make sure they don't get ripped off in future.

    The first post above I said about Seaniemac and apollobet merging. SM did finally settle a payment with me BTW but that is by the by. I warned you all about sending Apollobet traffic, well guess what, they have stolen all your/our players. The Apollobet site is now merged with seaniemac, affiliate program gone - PLAYERS STOLEN. I did try and warn you all, I hope people listened at the time and stopped sending them traffic. I would also warn all in the future not to work with these clowns, you can see how they treat affiliates

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    I agree with regards to the Gambling commission - but they still have a responsibility, and their could be financial problems within the company - so some exploration needed.

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    Default i think they are fully related to boylesports as they both have exactly same odds

    Apollo stole players twice , First they were with ace world.. after IA .. worst brand ....always have to chase payment which they usually pay after 1-2 months... and for everyone its even worse to try seanie mac
    these brands are short term bookmakers and thr main business policy is steal-merger-close-steal- ....
    i think they are fully related to boylesports as they both have exactly same odds

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