September Core Update

[chaumi]

Hi guys,
I guess my site was hit because my average position dropped from 21.3 to 65 just for 3 days. It's fresh site (about 6 months old) and I know that I am still in the sand box. Does somebody have some issue with new site? Do you have any idea what is this Core update about and what should I change?
Thanks

You will never be able to work out if this drop was caused by this update, the HCU, any major update in the last 6 months, any of the other algorithm changes that take place daily, changes in competition, or just a move to a position you should have been in all along. It could even be technical issues, bad links etc. Or a combination of all these and/or others I forgot to mention.

There is too much going on simultaneously for a new site to contend with. With an established site, you can make some educated guesses (or, if your content is rubbish, then you should already know anyway).

So, the only thing you can do at this point is concentrate on content, content, content, content quality, content quality, content structure, content structure....a few links when and where sensible...site structure...and building your subject authority. Most likely none of those are significantly less important than others ..but without the content, none of the others make any difference anyway.

Every...single...piece of content needs to be the best you can make it. If you can't do that, the signs are it's a hopeless task for a new site. It'll be no surprise if G isn't actively dropping pages in the millions from the entire SERPs as we speak (and I believe they have been doing that for some time, anyway).

Consider it this way. Google is a business, with customers. Those customers 'buy' information. They want to trust the information they're given and know it's accurate. If Google doesn't deliver that, some of those customers will go elsewhere. And profits may drop.

Now put yourself in the same position. What would you do? Would you take the risk that a new source of information was trustworthy and had some longevity before it proved it was?

You might test it for a bit? See how people reacted? Watch out for any signals indicating it was trustworthy? And, if none of those were positive enough, you'd drop it, right.

*******

So, all guesswork. Without seeing the site, that's all anyone could sensibly offer as an opinion that might give you any real value. Even seeing it will be hard to judge in the light of everything that's going on. But you'd probably get some reasonably well-educated guesses if you put it up for review.

[bingoreviews]

it's always about content. you won't see any pattern until it's fully rolled out. every update people moan about this and that and it always gets sorted in the end

[newcustomeroffer]

Google are also rolling out a product reviews update concurrently just to obscure things: https://twitter.com/googlesearchc/st...35355691704321

[chaumi]

Google are also rolling out a product reviews update concurrently just to obscure things: https://twitter.com/googlesearchc/st...35355691704321

haha on so many levels, this is 'wet yourself laughing' stuff.....

Google Search Central
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If you see a change and wonder if it's related to the core update or the product reviews update:
- If you produce product reviews, then it's probably related to that.
- If not, then it might be related to the core update.

[xecutable]

I dont think they've ever released 3 updates in such a short span, especially with a core update still rolling. I get the vibe something was broken and needs emergency fixing.

[k-sg]

My site went down due to the core update.

[wonderpunter]

I dont think they've ever released 3 updates in such a short span, especially with a core update still rolling. I get the vibe something was broken and needs emergency fixing.

i think this product review is to fix what is showing now.. check best uk online casinos you have mediocre paid article news sites, then you have blatant vpn and old student, even football domains with spun content ranking in the top 10.. insane.. my guess one the PRU rolls it shoudl clean up.. feels like the other updates are to patch errors of the first perhaps.. check these beauties ranking high.. and its one of many https://keepontrack.eu/ andf http://santodomingojuventud.es/en-GB...o-online-sites the other 50-60% are paid posts at news sites leaving igaming affiliates as the minority

[universal4]

Interesting that one of them has Nike's logo in the footer, no TM mark nor reference to Nike.
Might seem inconsequential to some, but shows a clear pattern that is not a good look.
Hopefully Nike sees it and files a DMCA.
https://www.upcounsel.com/nike-trademarks

/end side track

Agree it does seem odd they had so many announced updates close together. I believe they are constant tweaking and checking algo changes, but this pattern the last month or so seems to be a bit of a shift. Maybe X was right and they had to fix something.


Rick
Universal4

[nvc]

Best answer I've received in months. Thank you.
1. I am concentrated only at the content right now. I am trying to build good topical authority and inform Google that may site is build around one particular keyword(my domain is EMD). I know that content is King and want to have more 100 pages indexed in first 12 months. I am also translating the site in German and Spanish with the proper hreflangs.
Thanks again. Will inform you about rankings at the end of the month when this Core Update is done.
Cheers!

You will never be able to work out if this drop was caused by this update, the HCU, any major update in the last 6 months, any of the other algorithm changes that take place daily, changes in competition, or just a move to a position you should have been in all along. It could even be technical issues, bad links etc. Or a combination of all these and/or others I forgot to mention.

There is too much going on simultaneously for a new site to contend with. With an established site, you can make some educated guesses (or, if your content is rubbish, then you should already know anyway).

So, the only thing you can do at this point is concentrate on content, content, content, content quality, content quality, content structure, content structure....a few links when and where sensible...site structure...and building your subject authority. Most likely none of those are significantly less important than others ..but without the content, none of the others make any difference anyway.

Every...single...piece of content needs to be the best you can make it. If you can't do that, the signs are it's a hopeless task for a new site. It'll be no surprise if G isn't actively dropping pages in the millions from the entire SERPs as we speak (and I believe they have been doing that for some time, anyway).

Consider it this way. Google is a business, with customers. Those customers 'buy' information. They want to trust the information they're given and know it's accurate. If Google doesn't deliver that, some of those customers will go elsewhere. And profits may drop.

Now put yourself in the same position. What would you do? Would you take the risk that a new source of information was trustworthy and had some longevity before it proved it was?

You might test it for a bit? See how people reacted? Watch out for any signals indicating it was trustworthy? And, if none of those were positive enough, you'd drop it, right.

*******

So, all guesswork. Without seeing the site, that's all anyone could sensibly offer as an opinion that might give you any real value. Even seeing it will be hard to judge in the light of everything that's going on. But you'd probably get some reasonably well-educated guesses if you put it up for review.

[newcustomeroffer]

Missed this at the time but this was confirmed as having fully rolled out on the 26th September.

[Grand_RexAffiliates]

Hello nvc
I am not claiming to be an expert here but the statement content is the king is true but many would say that the product is the king and the content simply has to be around the product. However, the content for online casino review websites I believe has to have some content related to famous personalities interviews or local laws and regulations as well

[wonderpunter]

This update was link based.. i had 30% dropped from one site.. and another site gained links thousands and started ranking high.. even though was not updated in two years.. i also discovered 380 toxic domains, negative SEO im sure as they look like cheap paid pbns, hacked, directories and bad blogs only targeting certain pages ( all using anchors) so done a clean up and will wait and see

[Malikbhai]

This update was link based.. i had 30% dropped from one site.. and another site gained links thousands and started ranking high.. even though was not updated in two years.. i also discovered 380 toxic domains, negative SEO im sure as they look like cheap paid pbns, hacked, directories and bad blogs only targeting certain pages ( all using anchors) so done a clean up and will wait and see

Frank,

I have a site - with pretty much zero links - just sitting around doing nothing, for years, suddenly get thousands of impressions and new keywords.

It looks like a test, or a rotation of dampened-down URLs or something.

Unless, one's banging a chick working in Google's core search team; it's anyone's guess, what all this means for many, who are currently suffering massive drawdowns in their impressions.

[wonderpunter]

So it looks like junk sites doing 0 are getting rewarded , but also the results not just for our industry.. but i am searching something specific and can only get affiliate sales sites, when searching for a problem and technical answer, bing strill works luckily.. the intresting thingis that i had not built any links then thousands just appeaerd in a day so perhaps they are sites which were deindexed reindexed? who knows..

Frank,

I have a site - with pretty much zero links - just sitting around doing nothing, for years, suddenly get thousands of impressions and new keywords.

It looks like a test, or a rotation of dampened-down URLs or something.

Unless, one's banging a chick working in Google's core search team; it's anyone's guess, what all this means for many, who are currently suffering massive drawdowns in their impressions.

[k-sg]

I guess the only way to do it right is to write articles that people are looking for every day.

[Malikbhai]

So it looks like junk sites doing 0 are getting rewarded , but also the results not just for our industry.. but i am searching something specific and can only get affiliate sales sites, when searching for a problem and technical answer, bing strill works luckily.. the intresting thingis that i had not built any links then thousands just appeaerd in a day so perhaps they are sites which were deindexed reindexed? who knows..

Your site Casinowhiz was hit pretty bad, as per semrush.

If you ever give up on it, let me know, as I might be interested in buying it, along with the aff accounts.

I got 6 to 7 figure budget, depending on the numbers and what we're looking at.

[Grand_RexAffiliates]

Yup the topics have to be target oriented and as per their taste

[wonderpunter]

Your site Casinowhiz was hit pretty bad, as per semrush.

If you ever give up on it, let me know, as I might be interested in buying it, along with the aff accounts.

I got 6 to 7 figure budget, depending on the numbers and what we're looking at.

Was hit bad but still doing well FTD wise, its happend twice before,, next update it will be back up mostly long tail its a negative SEO attack and im sure it comes from someone in the top10..l they keep doing it and i clean up, annoying as usually takes 2 -3 months to get back up

[Grand_RexAffiliates]

Wonderpunter Do NOT give up you can do it and improve the website once again as you have done it in the past. I wish you all the best and keep fighting the top 10 people

[wonderpunter]

Wonderpunter Do NOT give up you can do it and improve the website once again as you have done it in the past. I wish you all the best and keep fighting the top 10 people

it's the 3rd time its happeend but this time looks like the spent some time and money, now i will detox every week to keep it at bay, Google says it will ignore spammy links however it sets off other sites also, I know its purposeful becuse they only targeted the money pages with low value anchor spam