SiteBuildz - Dreamy Affiliate Software - Auto create SEO Wordpress sites

[GaryTheScubaGuy]

I've been waiting for software like this for a very long time.

They have a free trial to test it out but I had one of my data-entry people spend a day learning it and he had a site up, first time, in twenty minutes.

In a nutshell one you get it set-up it researches niche and competition, finds kw related URL's available, buys them and sets up your hosting for you as well as installs wordpress and tons of SEO plugins...automatically....build a massive network of hundreds or thousands of sites in a day.

My girlfriend set five sites up in an hour from knowing nothing about building a website - and I mean NOTHING

Sitebuildz.com OR try this - http://tinyurl.com/sitebuildz

[universal4]

Sorry, but anything that "builds sites for you" has to be getting content somewhere, and if a human is not writing the contrent it is being "taken" from somewhere.....like from other affiliates sites....

So the sites are being built using someone elses content....

Rick
Universal4

[dfiocch]

Looks like another "scrapers crap"...

[lots0]

Gary I have no doubt that this software will do what you say.
However, I also have no doubt that there are 100's(maybe even 1000's) of ways google's quality control folks are going to be able to identify these sites... and once they are identified, I have no doubt google will penalize these auto generated sites back to page 1001 in the SERP.

You know that the googlies HATE auto generated sites and they especially HATE auto generated networks and they specifically especially HATE auto generated text... This software does all that.

Personally I wouldn't use this software for any site I was serious about making money with.
You may have a few months to make money with this software, before google gets wise, but you never know, you could wake up Monday morning and find all the networks created by this software banned by the big G. Just not worth the risk IMO.

[GaryTheScubaGuy]

Yea the content isn't scraped. I have a couple dozen ODesk writers in 8 languages and a few Pro-Spinners. I never said it was free.
To set up 1000 quality sites with all the bells and whistles it cost about 15k initially and staff hours, hosting upkeep and so on. But the rewards are there.

Most will use this to build 5,10 or 20 sites. Maybe 10% would go over that.

At the end of the day I've tested it and done the right way it works. I mash it with SENuke and XIndexer and a few others.

I'm writing an article right now for the next issue (Amsterdam conference) that covers step-by-step and how to identify it. And there had better be a lot of people Lots0 because they cannot target code or cookie cutter content because it doesn't have either. Plus it sits on Wordpress with all the plugins and even I can't tell the difference with the right header graphics. But custom headers are a price to pay when you can build a 1000+ site network is 4 months. Imagine all the things you could do with it (and no, not cross-linking or link-wheel BS).

Call it what you will, throw stones, but it works and your competition is using it, and it's not me!

[TheGooner]

People using this sort of site are not my competition - they are simply competing with each other in low content, low value niches.

[GaryTheScubaGuy]

Once again, this is bought content from writer trained by a content pro, not myself, according to a set of rules including a grammerly, copyscape and human proofing. (even though a copyscape check is pointless, but it keeps your writers in check) Additionally, duplication is not always a bad thing, or a penalised issue. But its important that some of your content is unique in the eyes of copyscape, because a site which is only linked to from ‘copied’ content, even if its ‘unique’ copied content, is

The content and ongoing hosting costs thousands every month.

And you are fooling yourself if you don't think these guys aren't your competition. You cannot tell the difference between this and a laboured website.

I have built massive link networks for years, over ten actually. I know what automatic site building software sites look like and I know what it takes to get past the bots and even human eyes, although it's far-fetched to think google pays what would amount to hundreds of millions to employ their army of uni students to look at sites. And although Google has an entire iGaming section within their walls they, and the uni students, are still bound by a robot sending up a red flag. Software like TheArticleBuilder, TheLeadingAticles or ArticleBuilder, or lazy application of a spin tool like TheBestSpinner are very easy to spot, but with that being said I know guys that to porn and Rx that have been building dozens of sites daily long before now and with thousands of sites you are bound to get a few ranking well and the rest can be a content network for liks or whatever.

Maybe I should add that you use this Network exclusively yourself and tie it in with SENukeX, XIndexer, Onlywire, hrefauthor, hrefreview and Wordpress SEO. Instead of scraping sites with XRumer or Scrapebox, which is what most conceive as Blackhat SEO, you are usin your own netword and SENukeX simply becomes an extremely valuable management tool, much like SickMarketing or other blog/forum auto-poster.

Bottom line is I wouldn't even post it if I hadn't been Beta testing it and putting minions on it to learn.

When a link builder or data entry trained person creates 5 WP, SEO optimised and professional looking websites in a 7-hr. shift, then I run a half dozen tools specifically looking for automation, and find no red flags or even warnings, someone telling you about it is a necessary-evil.

I don't want to hear an insurance salesman put my mother in a nursing home or coffin either but sometimes you have to see or learn about things happening that you don't like or tactics that you don't agree with, but see past prejudices and BH bashing because it gets you nowhere and is part of the job.

It's better to know and maybe do nothing at all, than not know and not be able to do anything at all when you suddenly lose half your traffic because a competitor knocked you from position 3 to 4 and you aren't in Google's syndication network.

I recommend this software for three things;
1. Affiliates that don't know or care to learn Wordpress or how to build a website
2. Affiliates with big networks they spend too much time or money maintaining, or that have dormant URL's sitting around doing nothing
3. Integrating and automating social bookmarking. But Onlywire is good at this too, or IFTTT.com if you are really lazy

I haven't even touched on the Affiliate plugins this thing has - everything from Adsense to Clickbank and many others, just by ticking another box.

GaryTheScubaGuy

Ps.You can also buy your own researched niche domains and host them with Sitebuildz, or spend twenty times that amount of time to do them by hand, and I have done thousands so this is coming from experience.

Pss. Don't shoot the messenger - if I hadn't tested it or know that MANY are using it I wouldn't have posted it. Just take a look at ZontSEO.com or the SENuke forums.

Pps. I was going to do a session in Amsterdam covering this in detail but I didn't want to have to buy a €5000 booth to do it, so look in the next GPWA magazine. I am actually finishing the article to send over later this morning.

[GaryTheScubaGuy]

And to summarise, no this is not someone else's content! I pay six to twelve buck per article, written, optimised and uploaded by trained ODesk writers -NO COPY

But if you think for a minute people aren't using your content you are dreaming. If you have an RSS feed on your site I can almost tell you 100% your content is getting pulled, spun or not spun, and reposted somewhere else

[Pobman]

Pss. Don't shoot the messenger - if I hadn't tested it or know that MANY are using it I wouldn't have posted it. Just take a look at ZontSEO.com or the SENuke forums.

Sorry to interrupt but just for the record we advised our members against using this program at the moment... too many security issues, poor templates and footprints for our liking, and yes shared hosting itself is not an issue but in this case .... Mmmmm... Currently 295 sites on the server all looking the same.. with the same default themes... and default privacy and contact details... even the same default content in many cases...

Pobman (from Zont SEO)

[GaryTheScubaGuy]

Thanks for chiming in there Pobman. We saw the same and are buying domains for one client wanting a network through HostGator on individual servers, registration info and anything else that looks similar, Even menus. We are also paying Fiverr guys to find and resize more headers.
Unfortunately all of these you must do through WP interface which adds a lot of additional time and therefor expense. We still use it for domain research, WP install and a few other things it automates, but unfortunately we use methodically mixed plugins of various sorts to try to find the best one, and those too need to be installed.

But in the cost VS benefit category it works for this old guy that's been building by other means for a long time.

All new software will have bugs. Look at Wordpress updates and other WP plugins. What I WOULD like is a plugin that updates all my plugins on all my sites.

So I am sure this will progress much just like SENuke, SENuxeX and SENukeXcr has. I just hope it's sooner than later.

[Pobman]

It does have potential yes. Personally I think they should have stuck with the basic Wordpress themes and then used child themes to alter those, then give people the ability to generate custom CSS through a nice interface to make it all look different.

The research facility is OK, though while I know the data comes from SEMrush there is not that much information given to you thats not free elsewhere. I also found it very limiting when doing research on UK datacenters rather than the USA.

I like the one button install of Wordpress, though Jon Leger has a video on YouTube where they time setting up a wordpress blog from cpanel, and installing a plugin, cleaning off default posts etc. and it was 3 minutes long for the whole thing.

I will be keeping my eye out to see if any decent sites get built with it, but so far I have not seen any even the ones the official training guy demonstrated were terrible. I dont think thats totally down to the users either though, as I did take a look at it and personally found the speical editing system they use for controlling the banner links etc. was considerably harder to use than just a basic wordpress configuration.

Still they do have a free trial, so people can have a look. You do not need to buy your domain through them, no matter what the documentation/tutorials states (they may have updated it by now). You can buy it from anybody you want and point your domain at their nameservers (which are listed wrong in their tutorials at the moment) you need to use:

• ns1.moneysitelaunchpad.com
• ns2.moneysitelaunchpad.com

Then once it has propagated you can add the domain through the 'Add Your Domain' section. You will then see the domain under 'My Domains' once you click on the green button on the right where it says "Namecheap Domain" and change that to "Other Domain" ... Doing all this you can use a domain you already own and get a properly free trial.

[GaryTheScubaGuy]

This came in my email,"We are currently in the process of adding our multi-server
hosting and will be adding one to two new servers each week
running multiple class "C" IP addresses.

You will either be able to select which SB server you want to
host on or have your site randomly hosted across all our servers
and IP's based on our algorithm.

What this means is basically you will have dozens of high
end servers available for you to host your websites on from
different locations all over the web and world."

This is good news.

They are a bit short on a few things. A facility to import headers or find images and resize automatically is good.

I have a guy that just learned Wordpress a few days ago and I told him to put a site together using siteuildz.com. Have a look - http://superrussiandating.com/

The drawback is we are using custom content and custom plugins which add to the production time, but still, for $47 it saves me hundreds if not thousands.

So it looks like they are working hard on it. I'm having my guys get in on the webinar and see if they can pick up any tips.

GaryTheScubaGuy

[Pobman]

Well firstly that page has plenty of errors, like why does it have this text on it:

"
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Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Aliquam nisi lorem, pulvinar id, commodo feugiat, vehicula et, mauris. Aliquam mattis porta urna. Maecenas dui neque, rhoncus sed, vehicula vitae, auctor at, nisi. Aenean id massa ut lacus molestie porta. Curabitur sit amet quam id libero suscipit venenatis"

and

"The `href` parameter must reference a valid Facebook page, but "facebook (.) com/john.draper.39794" is not a valid Facebook pag"

Plus still has, like 99% of all sitebildz pages, the default contacts:

superrussiandating (.) com/contact-us/

That needs changing before you get it indexed for the first time, and all other sitebildz footprints needs to be removed really.

Also if you look in your waterfall there are a lot of 404 errors for page elements, which is not good...

Plus:
<meta name="description" content="" />

That needs sorting.. and of course its Wordpress 3.4.2 still... and you cant update that otherwise you will break it.

So I will be amazed if you can rank this without doing very dark methods, even after spending time on it.

Regarding the Class-C ... it could be good, it might be bad. Firstly they must made each 'server' has its own NameServer (and each name server should be on a different IP of course, in many cases of SEO hosting is you check rDNS on the nameserver you will find its the same ip!!! So if they all use ns1.moneysitelaunchpad.com, or all refer back to the same IP as ns1.moneysitelaunchpad.com then its a pointless change. We will have to wait and see on that one.

Then of course class-C need to be non-sequential...

However lastly you still need your neighbours to not be doing things like having the same contacts page, content etc. because if they get everything else right then there will still be the footprint of the sitebildz system itself...

As I said before though they do have a free trial... so everybody can take a look... they are making improvements, which is good... but they really need to address the core reasons why the sites it produces are not very good, and I am not convinced thats an easy fix. I think they are actually over complex, the example sites I created while testing required many things to be edited and it would have been better if the site produced was originally cleaner with less junk content on it.

For instance in the members area they should force people to setup a contact page and then that page is used automatically, rather than everybody getting the default page... and the default posts should be removed so the sites are built clean etc etc.

[GaryTheScubaGuy]

Yea you are jumping a little ahead of us here. We are still in the testing phase and for a noobie to build 100 "first-time-Wordpress-user" sites in 3 weeks has me impressed, fixable errors or not. He's actually doing 3 per hour now, including 12-15 tweaks, customer headers, menus, content, plugin combinations and several Social button plugins. Not 100 perfect by far, but beter than many I have seen.

Why the jargon text? because it wasn't really touched outside of top level stuff when I posted it, and the writers had not created content yet.

As I mentioned it's def not perfect. We still buy and host our own domains and everything is still premature, but my bottom line is it's €36 a month for me and despite the needed fixes, fixes I could probably use CS to globally fix or create a plugin to handle, I have a noobie creating 3 websites with all the plugins and a few custom elements in ONE HOUR.

The server issue was a known negative since I read about the software so we never used the default.

Back-to-basics though, it's about time someone spent the time and money to get something like this initiated. Plenty will find issue with it as it's primed for blackhat aggression, but I agree SiteBuildz is a work in progress but it has its short-term benefits for our use.

Thanks for the FB. Good to chat with someone else that has hard-tested it and will share details - especially an author from ZONT

Ps. I am curious if you have used AutoContentWriter or another program to create content, whether custom or spun, and post it to unlimited sites via ftp?

Thanks in advance

[Pobman]

Well I would rather than noob made 1 really good wordpress sites than 100 duff ones

I have looked through 343 Sitebildz sites to have a general view of what people do... I can count 5 which were 'ok' ... they were not great, but that does show it is possible to make something thats not terrible. My issue still though is that after doing all the edits to make them decent I might just as well have hand made them in the first place. Especially as in my view it takes longer to edit their sites than a blank one... so setup time quicker with Sitebildz, but other things longer.

One thing that stands out at the moment is there are not many good themes, I can see others agree because of the 343 sites the same exact banner/theme combo comes up again and again (the most common being the one with the desk and a fish tank on the wall, called Smartio I think. Almost 5% of all sites used that specific theme and banner.

There are 460 sites now, so I might take another look one day and see if people have progressed the sites anymore.

I have never seen any automated content system that will actually produce rankable results... you can get things indexed yes, but rank those pages without doing some very spammy link building no.

What could change that is Word AI 2 .. only the Turing spinner.... we have been experimenting with that to create websites, but too early to say how well it works for that purpose at the moment.

[GaryTheScubaGuy]

So the jury is in since I found the time to post a few results.

1,850 sites, 100 c-class, 1,750 subdomains, no cookie-cutter templates (all custom), multiple combinations of SEO plugins and unique, professionally written content. We have YouTube video feeds, RSS feeds, juggernauts, auto-populate module and various others to test for best-result-combinations.

It took 4 months for a complete Noobie I trained to do everything from scratch.

The biggest cost was the domains, but hosting was under $300

Samples;
reatdatingguide.com
meeteasterneuropeangirls.com
besteuropeanladies.com
superrussiandating.com
topdatingworld.com
yourdatenow.com
internationaldatingworld.com
besteuropeanladies.com
loveonyourway.com
besteuropeanladies.com
theinternationaldating.com
besteuropeanladies.com
besteuropeanwomen.com

All 1,850 sites have been indexed and after 120 days most are ranking. Not top 10 (yet) but all are ranking somewhere for various keywords.

So SiteBildz works with a bit of detail work.

I charge clients 15k per month for minimum 6 months, but be aware, this might sound like a lot of money but it's not. The cost to run and maintain this type of network is over 10k per month.

The benefits?
- Exclusive network
- Can plug the network into a bespoke SENuke campaign
- Every client we built this for and integrated in the correct way improved after Hummingbird and Penguin 2.1
- Lots of sacrificial lambs for testing purposes
- Many more of the obvious benefits from owning 1,850 related websites

No I'm not selling SiteBildz or our services. Just PM me if you have any related questions.

GaryTheScubaGuy

[sweetbet]

All 1,850 sites have been indexed and after 120 days most are ranking. Not top 10 (yet) but all are ranking somewhere for various keywords.

I'm assuming that you are talking about google. How are they doing in bing and yahoo?

[GaryTheScubaGuy]

Don't care. I would spend the time targeting long tail traffic from Google before I'd chase Bing/Yahoo traffic.

[DanHorvat]

Plain and simple - what are the results?

[GaryTheScubaGuy]

Its worth the money. Does what it says.