Sky Bet?!

[RacingJim]

Isn't sky betting and gaming based in Leeds?

Yep based in Leeds and also were sold off by Sky, so they are correct that, aside from the name, they are not related to Sky in any way nowadays to my knowledge. So going to Sky in London's offices is a total waste of time.

[Progger]

Today, I visited the Sky offices in Hammersmith London and asked for a resolution.
The event culminated in Sky calling the police and a van with 3 police arrived and I had to leave the premises.

Did u really think u can visit the office and ask for solution ?
The program is closed and the money is gone...here is nothing what u can do!

lawyer ? Good luck...

[justbookies]

Hi All,

My name is Jamie and I work with a company called 180Vita in the UK.

Today, I visited the Sky offices in Hammersmith London and asked for a resolution.
The event culminated in Sky calling the police and a van with 3 police arrived and I had to leave the premises.

* Sky claimed the Hammersmith offices were nothing to do with SkyBetting and Gaming and it appeared they even told the police this
* Legal counsel for Sky at the office spoke to me. A heavily pregnant lady, and I was not comfortable speaking to her regarding the issue as it's understandably stressful. Of course, this was twisted too and the police had been informed (by whoever called them) that I had been intimidating her.

Luckily there is CCTV in the building and it seemed even the police could understand the situation.

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Anyway, I am quite experienced with these matters and am confident we will receive settlement.

Anyone is welcome to contact me with details of their affiliate account, including:

* Registration date of account
* Rough figure for 3 years of commission on the account

I am happy to look at appending any other affiliate or marketing company's claims to our suit.

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Lastly, I will add I feel a little bit sorry for people like Matthew Price and other Sky staff, who have basically had their future job prospects ruined by sheer greed of the corporation.

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My email: jamie[at]pokervip.com

[Mods I hope leaving my email here is okay, if not suitable feel free to remove]

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Good luck all

Take it steady pal, have patience and leave it to the lawyer. For what it is worth my contract lawyer is very positive, having looked at contract terms from the time I signed up and in all contracts subsequently. I don't want to give details away for obvious reasons. Again, just my opinion, but fight your own battle. The more people who come on board with you, the more differing opinions at various stages and the more likely nothing gets done. Someone talked about the problems of having 53 captains on a ship on this thread and they are right. You are the only person you can trust to see this through.

[Voids]

Does anyone have a copy of the affiliate agreement at 01/01/2012? That is when I signed up and they appear to have disabled the wayback machine. Earnings are much less than most of those in this thread, but if a precedent is set we would like to be able to push for a settlement.

[justbookies]

Does anyone have a copy of the affiliate agreement at 01/01/2012? That is when I signed up and they appear to have disabled the wayback machine. Earnings are much less than most of those in this thread, but if a precedent is set we would like to be able to push for a settlement.

There is a zip file on an affiliateguarddog thread somewhere with them. PM me your email address and I'll email you what I have.

[doovde]

What information are you guys having to pass on to lawyers / legal in regards to this?

I think it's probably important that everyone, even if you're not pursing Skybet at this point, collects the same info because if some of the bigger cases get settled then we could see a snowball affect for smaller affiliates who right now can't afford to chase losses.

[freebetsfreetips]

As a smaller affiliate I suspect we're going to have to just lump this in case Sky back down totally. Suspect most smaller affiliates will be the same.

[doovde]

As a smaller affiliate I suspect we're going to have to just lump this in case Sky back down totally. Suspect most smaller affiliates will be the same.

I wouldn't be so sure man. If larger affiliates get positive results then there's nothing stopping people grouping together behind that. It will only take one positive legal result to really open the door on settlements.

FWIW I average 1k per month with Skybet over last 3 years and probably feel this isn't enough to go it alone against them given legal costs however I'm starting to feel duty bound to at least look into this and take a legal opinion.

[colin3005]

I will pretty much guarantee big affiliates will not be kicked out like we have, if they were, then why would they be promoting them all over the weekend like they have been. Even more galling is the fact at least one of them I've seen is a tipping service who doesn't have great results. Also doesn't following advertising rules.

Like this for example

[Syndicate]

Sky Betting’s Affiliate Programme Closure Could Have Industry Domino Effect

Article from Performancein (Mark Jones)

https://goo.gl/5yEqdo

[loquax]

why would they be promoting them all over the weekend

Maybe they're on a CPA deal and it's better to promote them and get what they can now because in three weeks they'll not be able to?

Our policy was to hit the required quota for September and then remove all links.

I will pretty much guarantee big affiliates will not be kicked out like we have

It wouldn't surprise me if Sky do work with selected partners at some point but I suspect those partners will be within their control and compliant at every dot of the i and cross of the t. I guess we'll know who's in after the 2nd October.

[Triple7]

Sky Betting’s Affiliate Programme Closure Could Have Industry Domino Effect

Article from Performancein (Mark Jones)

https://goo.gl/5yEqdo

I think that too. It hasn't even begun yet, I'm afraid.

[Voids]

I think that too. It hasn't even begun yet, I'm afraid.

Bet365 could end up being the real winners here.

They look a trustworthy and ethical brand. If they are the only UK reliably affiliate scheme, they will have such a large online presence.

[Syndicate]

And their is your argument - If bet365 (UK licensed) are willing to continue paying affiliates, it throws a myth on Skybet's regulatory claim. In fact, if Skybets claim has merit, the regulators should be asking Bet365 and the rest to stop affiliate agreements!

Their is no excuse for ripping off affiliates - It's theft. And, even if regulators did come up with stringent laws - they too could be challenged!

I'm somewhat amazed to hear Dr. Joerg Hofmann talk about liability risk - The fact is affiliates might be sharing revenue generated from customers accounts, but they are not sharing the risk. If a client wins 100K, the bookie won't ask the affiliate to cough up his 30K.

Whatever comes of this - i don't think affiliate managers will have an easy sale in future!

[Triple7]

Hofmann is of course also speaking for his own business. He's a lawyer and of course always looking for some business. Pretending that there are risks, that those risks are not in control, etc. is part of his business model. Sort of publicity to sell some advice orders and reports.

I guess Sky will continue to work with some affiliates, but with websites, they have shares in or that are important for them. Or perhaps with other reward structures. I don't know, but I think for most bookmakers it will be a hard time if they cannot have any form of an affiliate program.

[Syndicate]

Oh yes - especially in Germany were many of these betting companies were found by lawyers - Tipico (Dieter Pawlik + father in law) for example!!

Did i read that part right - Oddschecker is owned by Skybet?

[colin3005]

If it ends up in court and SB are still working with affiliates, it won't look good for them considering what the email stated.

[doovde]

If it ends up in court and SB are still working with affiliates, it won't look good for them considering what the email stated.

They 100% are still working with select 'top' partners. They even paid off these guys before shutting the program. There will be no rev share going forwards though, only CPA.

[RacingJim]

I will pretty much guarantee big affiliates will not be kicked out like we have, if they were, then why would they be promoting them all over the weekend like they have been. Even more galling is the fact at least one of them I've seen is a tipping service who doesn't have great results. Also doesn't following advertising rules.

Like this for example

If they continue working with big tipster accounts like thius one, it would prove beyond all doubt that this is only about money and 'the screw' rather than about advertising standards.

[allaboutthebets]

If they continue working with big tipster accounts like thius one, it would prove beyond all doubt that this is only about money and 'the screw' rather than about advertising standards.

Should give those looking to take them to court a good angle to work on.

We are no longer working with affiliates....... Apart from these ones as they are really big and make us a lot of money.

I think/hope there will be some disgruntled Sky Bet managers or employees who have lost there job due to the closure come on here and tell us what's gone on and going on.