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    Default Some of you need to grow a set

    It amazes me how many of you are being fooled by affiliate programs and saying its all good. I see maybe 5 examples in last few months where a program has totally screwed their affiliates and then only after we as a group harp them to death , they change their minds. Then I see many of you going...'oh no problem" or " send me an email so we can increase your exposure on our sites"

    Are you kidding me? They screwed up with the intention to thicken their pockets at your expense and for that they should be banished from all your sites for ever. there are other casinos to promote.

    Just because they didn't get away with it doesn't mean they didn't try and is sure doesn't mean they wont try again. Grow a set and don't promote them just cause they come here all cute looking for forgiveness.

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    you are being fooled by affiliate programs
    Welcome to the world of unlimited opportunities and 101 marketing failures.

    Some programs do their best and I think are very honest and trustworty. Some however seem careless about their reputation. Some play mind games and beg for foregiveness after repeated screwups. Some do not care what they do and what you do to promote.

    IMO I only need the first category.
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    I think its a lot more complicated than simply black and white/yes and no.

    Universal (i think) said it in another thread in that what is the point of programs changing for the better if it doesn't make an ounze of difference. If we continue to persecute them after they have turned over a new leaf then they realistically don't have any incentives to change.

    I can completely understand that they need some time to prove themselves which for some is a month and others a few years. Maybe in that sense treat them like a new program but I see no benefit to you as affiliates and the communuity as a whole in chasing them further when they have made the change.
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    I for one am ready to consider putting a program back up if they do make changes based upon feedback from us...but for me it's not a guarantee of promotion, just consideration.

    I can also see Puma's point that we should not always be so quick to forgive and I agree that we need to keep an eye on a few of these programs that have bent to the pressure and have made changes after the fact.

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    Hey Chris,

    I wanted to copy my reply to your other post here since it's related.

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    This program is all of a sudden all cool with everybody? Is this not the group that threatened webmasters with lawsuits? or isint this the program that felt it could pull a fats one over on affiliate by changing terms?

    You all go ahead and promote them and when a new affiliate manager comes in once again and you all get screwed again I'll sit here and say i told you so. This program has sucked for almost 10 years and I doubt Id ever give them a second chance. These ass clowns also cost me alot of money by closing my affiliate account years ago when I gave them **** for being two months late with my payments.

    I'll be here laughing when you all have to do like poor Judy and pull them from all your sites again this time next year.
    Sorry to hear that Chris.

    I'm sure that some are dissappointed in us placing them again and that's cool. I would be upset in your situation, but I feel that it's the right thing for me to do as I really have had a good relationship with VA for the most part.

    I remember all the problems with stats after the change over, late payments, etc., but stayed with them until the bundling because that is NOT acceptable and I do have to draw a line.

    I can certainly understand why Judy would be hesitant as well. We all have our reasons, but don't beat us down dude. hehe
    BTW I have a set, but I had to buy them instead of grow them. lol Just kidding puma I can see your point and I hope you can see mine.

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    For tracking and earnings I hope there is a day this can be done by third party. The AM can only access earnings of their program and are restricted from accessing affiliate accounts. The third party oversees that everything is being done fairly.

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    Greek39. I think this is the first time that we have ever agreed on anything

    Having 3rd party companies providing the audited figures and stats with a log in for the AM would be an awesome idea, and to be honest one that is probably to far ahead (or too inconvenient for the operators).

    Sadly I dont think it would ever happen, and if it did, these 3rd party companies would take a percentage out of Affiliate payments (to pay for it), but it is a *brilliant* idea.

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    Sorry Pumacat, i very rarely disagree with you, but on this one i do.

    It is in my opinion wrong to tell people to go and grow a set just because they decide to give an affiliate program a second chance.

    I also think it is wrong to assume that affiliates are being fooled.

    Affiliates make judgement calls on who they promote or don't and unless it is something downright dishonourable it should be left up to the individual affiliate to promote who they want without being told to grow a set and that they are being taken for fools.

    There are programs that i would never touch ever and yet some very respectable affiliates here promote them, i would never dream of lecturing them on their decisions, it is their own choice and they are the ones taking the risks.

    I also promote some programs that i know some on here disagree with and i would take exception to anyone having a go at me for my decisions.

    We are all grown up and can and should be allowed to make whatever choices we want to without fear of being publicly branded for it.
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    Greek39. I think this is the first time that we have ever agreed on anything
    And I thank I knew we could agree on something. I also agree highly unlikely this would ever happen. Only the good programs would ever survive lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pumacat View Post
    It amazes me how many of you are being fooled by affiliate programs and saying its all good.
    From my point of view, if one partner willingly harms another partner they may be worthy of forgivensss, but they don't necessarily deserve a second chance at partnership without without first demonstrating that they have indeed changed for the better and that should include proper restitution for the previous wrong-doings.

    Simply coming out and saying we are sorry is often no where near good enough. Seriously - how can one be quick to work with a partner that is seemingly saying sorry we know that have stole from you, but we promise we won't do it again...?

    Its one thing if its an unintentional accident, but purposefully doing harm and then changing your mind only when the poor decisions start to cause you pain? As Universal said "it's not a guarantee of promotion, just consideration" ... very meticulous consideration!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgaming View Post
    For tracking and earnings I hope there is a day this can be done by third party. The AM can only access earnings of their program and are restricted from accessing affiliate accounts. The third party oversees that everything is being done fairly.
    One common denominator I see among the programs that I trust is the use of third party affiliate tracking. our program uses income access, which does not allow the program to untag players. That combined with Vuetec's integrity of doing the same means that affiliates get honest results.

    I think another problem is that a program can be dishonest and still thrive.

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