Swiss Casino using pop unders too

**Anonymous** · 26 June 2002, 10:16 am

Hi nascar1,
Let me start of by pointing out that Yael is a she not a he, I get the feeling that the next time someone refers to her as a he, she is going to throw her computer out the window...

The reason that you can not find the exit window clause in our T&C's is that it is not there, just like we do not put there the number of pages that are in our web site or the graphics and layout we use. Regarding the processing and security fees, they are deducted by the vast majority of affiliate programs. Here at Club Dice we decided not to deduct these fees for the first 3 months, paying them out of our pocket, in order to help out our new affiliates. Once the issue of the exit windows was raised we offered, and still do, to have it removed in exchange for you passing on the grace period. The choice there is yours.

Yael will contact you regarding your email.

**nascar1** · 26 June 2002, 10:42 am

Well then let me start off by offering my apologies to HER

Let me start of by pointing out that Yael is a she not a he

but had SHE replied to my email in a timely manner I would have known this and the error would not have occured would it.

The reason that you can not find the exit window clause in our T&C's is that it is not there, just like we do not put there the number of pages that are in our web site or the graphics and layout we use

Well I get the impression you are grabbing at straws now because this is comparing apples to oranges.

ANY part of the program the will affect webmasters, or requires them to do something SHOULD be in the T&C. How many pages you have is not in the least relevant. Just how is a webmaster to know that they can get the pops removed? From what you say, not until they complain, and if you haven't noticed, by then you have some pi$$ed off affiliates and will probably have your links relegated to the least trafficked page if not dropped all together.

What is so hard about being upfront with your 'PARTNERS' and let them know about this before you create ill feelings? It really isn't hard to do and you could add the process to your T&C in far less time then you have taken anserwing these posts from webmaters who do not like the way it is done. Send an email. Affs like to hear from the sponsors. Makes us feel like maybe you do think of us as partners and don't just spend your time devising new ways to use OUR valuable traffic.

The traffic isn't yours if you don't convert it, it is still ours. And if you feel that you can't convert it but have a 'back up' sales plan to send it to a site you think will, why should we send it to you in the first place.
We can cut out the extra stop for the visitor and send them to the 'real' site they will like. At least using your reasoning since you 'exit' traffic is valuable and obviously the 'enterance' traffic is not.

**FictionNet** · 26 June 2002, 10:49 am

I don't always agree with Rick. On this issue, I'm with him 100%. I appreciate the fact that webmasters can have the exits removed, but they shouldn't be there in the first place. And, if they have to be there, it should tell me upfront when I'm applying to join the affiliate program that I'm also giving away free traffic to a competitor.

**nascar1** · 26 June 2002, 3:13 pm

Well I will say that at least Club Dice is willing to discuss and work on the concerns that webmasters have. If you currently promote them and have issues with the topic in this thread I would suggest you contact your affiliate rep and discuss the matter. This is they way it should work, and does with some casinos that aren't so short sighted.

But lets not forget, this topic of this thread was SWISS CASINO and their arrogant attitude towards webmasters. I wont use partners in this case because they wouldn't ever treat a partner this way. They are probably sitting on the duff laughing that Club Dice got dragged into this.

Sorry dudes and dudettes, we aren't as forgetful or needy as you casinos may think. If Swiss wants to play this way, it is VERY obvious there are other Playtech casinos that WILL work with you as a partner, Club Dice as an example, and there is no reason in the world that I can see to give them (swiss) even a 1x1 pixel space on your worst performing page.

Just my opinion of course.

If you like bending over and smiling while Swiss Casino shows you what they think of you, then by all means. Keep sending them traffic.

Remember, the correct response for those that do is 'Thank you Sir, may I have another'.

**TheCPA** · 26 June 2002, 4:14 pm

I would like to add a thought to Ricks post as well. Alon has always responded quickly to any questions I have had even though I haven't really sent them much traffic. I have a lot of respect and appreciation for this attitude.

I guess the point is, that Alon will take the time with smaller guys and not just kiss the the arses of the bigger guys. Nas is used to dropping his pants and saying Kiss this! :rof: Some of us don't have that luxury, security or confidence to do that yet! Either way, there is a significant difference in the thought processes of Swiss and Club Dice.

Since they both went to the exit deal though, it's apparent that there is some connection in the marketing of Playtechs. I'll be damned if I know what it is. Maybe they are the same owners. Anyway, pretty apparent there are two ways to deal with this thing.

Alon is one of the good guys. IMO

You can just PayPal that on over Alon!

:LOL:

**nascar1** · 26 June 2002, 5:10 pm

Quick math lesson to respond to this:

Nas is used to dropping his pants and saying Kiss this!

Question: How many casinos does the 'normal portal/website promote?

Answer: Maybe 15-20 tops. Short of being a directory, you can't do any of them any justice if you take on more except maybe to rotate some.

Question: How many online casinos are there with aff progs?

Answer: HUNDREDS. So you wont run out of sponsors by weeding the few that amount to garbage out of the garden until you get down to about 30.

Question: Now what?

Answer: PUCKER UP.

This comes from going around the block a few times with people who when patting you on the back and telling you how much they are going to do for you when they are really applying the KY.

**TheCPA** · 26 June 2002, 7:25 pm

:LOL:

**Velveeta** · 26 June 2002, 7:49 pm

Cin, did you ever email Swiss Casino?

**nascar1** · 26 June 2002, 7:55 pm

Now don't get me wrong. I know except for Fictionnet:

I don't always agree with Rick

Everyone everywhere always agrees with everything I say

BUT all kidding aside.

This is a partnership. BOTH partners bring something to the table of value and BOTH should leave with more value because of it. If the Pitboss of some casinos think otherwise, then they will lose in the end.

Compared to last year and before there has been 180 degree turn around by casinos in the way they treat affiliates. Not all but many. More then enough to stock a portal.

They know that you and your traffic are a valuable commodity, just make sure you know it too. Doesn't matter if you have 1,000,000 uniques a day or 10. The big sites didn't start big. They just worked a little harder than most and are able to see their own value and not give it away.

Don't EVER sell yourself short.

**Dominique** · 26 June 2002, 9:14 pm

I must be dreaming, or maybe I'm missing something here. Are you saying that if you place a Swiss Casino banner on your site they steal your exit traffic?

And people let it happen? What, are you leasing the banner and paying with your traffic? Where the hey is the logic in that?

I do USA casino and a couple of other playtechs and I surely wouldn't allow them to steal my traffic, nor have they tried to do so.

Exit traffic is valuable. You can sell it if you like. Most likely you have paid to get it in the first place. Where does anyone come off stealing it?

Swiss casino is doing this because they can. They sure can't do it with my traffic. Let them find their own traffic. They are not getting their foot in my door!

**VPJunkie** · 27 June 2002, 11:26 am

Hey, Nas, I actually do agree with you here, wholeheartedly!!

(well, except for maybe your visual analogies

) :LOL:

GGuru, no I didn't write yet, but I'll shoot them off a letter this am to make them aware of this thread. They're not on my site, so I didn't need to write about my traffic.

**VPJunkie** · 27 June 2002, 11:32 am

letter sent

**Velveeta** · 27 June 2002, 5:15 pm

I have a tenner that say Swiss rolls in here and does not change a thing. :rof:

**nascar1** · 27 June 2002, 5:43 pm

I have a tenner that say Swiss rolls in here and does not change a thing

Oh Yea of little faith.

Do you really think that any honest and straight forward casino would show all the hoards that read these forums daily how little they think of their affiliates, or how badly any webmaster that signs up with them can expect to get treated.

I THINK NOT.

So I will take you up on your wager sir.................

Of course, you will have to wait until I get my affiliate check from Swiss to get paid.

**Velveeta** · 27 June 2002, 6:52 pm

You're on, Rick. When Swiss removes my exit popup, you win. If the guys does not show, or does not do anything, then I am triumphant.

We are true gamblers at heart. :LOL:

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