These guys suck

[GFPC]

As you will notice!!

Silence!

[Affiliates United]

To whom it may concern,

I will fully acknowledge that the CPA forums are a place for affiliates to air their views freely.

In many cases affiliates have a very fair point. However, in these cases Affiliates United feel its best to contact the affiliates in question personally. As was done in the case of Toydog. Who's query has now been resolved and is now very happy.

Affiliates United do not wish to get into mudslinging matches with any affiliates and prefer to handle most problems as quietly and with the most amount of integrity as possible.

We appreciate the patience that most of you affiliates have had during this migration period. For any problems that you might have we kindly ask you to turn to karin.kaufman@williamhill.com personally and not by the forum.

If the problem is not solved to your satisfaction after this then please feel free post away.

While many cases of affiliate complaints have some justification a lot of the accusations made in this forum and on this thread are just baseless. Affiliates United take accusations of theft and illegal activity very seriously. Please take care in making these serious allegations. Any complaints of this nature should most definately come to us directly through your AM.

Please note that the same people complaining everytime are still sending traffic and being paid by us.

Thank you for your patience & understanding

Karin
Affiliates United Coordinator

[Betpartners]

I suspect that your response here will in fact further inflame the issue, personally i think the whole response is far from satisfactory for many reasons, not least some of the indirect digs.

That said i will take issue with one point only

Please note that the same people complaining everytime are still sending traffic and being paid by us.

Maybe so and so i checked my own stats

I see that over the last week i sent 8 impressions, yup just 8, damned if i know where from, i thought i had removed you guys completely.

So in theory i am still sending traffic albeit ONE impression a day on average, with regards to getting paid, see this is where that statement falls flat on its face in my case.

See you cant pay me because after i sent well in excess of 1 million impression and receiving over 950 clicks and getting just 1 poker sign up (i do soccer btw) there is absiolutely nothing to pay me.

But on the same, very same spot, even the most minor companies get a load of sign ups with those sort of clicks but not William Hill.

Make of that what you want, i know what i make of it and i will stick with those companies that can occupy that spot and send me loads of sign ups.

For the record that would be any company as to my recollection never has a banner been on that spot never sent sign ups, just one company only.

No point discussing this in private, i ahve moved on and will work with companies who i believe will reflect the work i put in on their behalf.

My only suggestion is that you answer the questions posed in this forum directly and not hide behind privacy and integrity, for me you are beyond that now.

[GamTrak]

Very well said BP!

Please note that the same people complaining everytime are still sending traffic and being paid by us.

If I'm being referred to in that "same people" blanket then please note that you are listed at my portal only because I was FORCED to place your brands there in order to get paid on a deal that was made in 2006 so trust me when I say that it's NOT by choice that you are there, but for the fact that I HONOR my contracts and do my best when I put my name on a deal!

[GFPC]

Oh and by the way the only reason why i keep you on my sites right now is only because i thought your group would at least attempt to respond her by weeks end.

You obviously don't take this serious, or else like other groups who care, you would freely talk in the forums and resolve for everyone to see.

Why is the reason you join GPWA??? Whats the purpose if you cant discuss here with us publicly?

I do know why - because we have opened the can of works!!!

One more thing - I do have you on my sites yes - HAVE I GOT PAID?

If so - show me my invoice please!!!

But your right, and have shown me there is no reason to keep you on my sites.. since you have no intentions of doing good for us all here.

Thanks, you have shown the reality of the situation!!

[Betpartners]

It would be interesting to see the GPWA's response to this, Affiliate United are after all a platinum sponsor on here and there clearly are issues which should be addressed.

One of the reasons for my recent self imposed exile on here was the failure of the GPWA to take the tough decisions.

They can take the easy decisions, like CAP or Grand Prive, these are no brainers and you dont need balls of steel to go up against them.

But you would if you had to go up against a platinum sponsor and William Hill one of the worlds largest gambling corporations.

Now i am not advocating any serious action as of yet by the GPWA towards Affiliate United, what i am asking is that they fullfil the role they have taken on.

They say they are here for the protection of the affiliates, well then start protecting, speak to Affiliate United and ask them to answer for their actions.

The GPWA by its lack of action on this and many other issues further undermines its credibility as an organisation that looks after the interests of the affiliate.

[Magenti]

I very much doubt gpwa.org will do anything about it. Affutd are sponsors, platinum ones at that and pay alot to have that title.

So what they do is, they shave, they steal and they impose hidden baselines to affiliates in order to pay this fee and will keep on doing so as long as they get away with it. Who knows, maybe in two months we will see yet another new affiliate program name coming from them where they explain how they changed and have new management. You know, affiliate name number four.

We had, Cpays, Skykingsaffiliate scam, Webrouteservices - founded by cpays and has always been cpays regardless of their lies and affiliates united.

Next they will be called trustercasinopartners.

That works right? Affiliates are suckers.

[sparky1]

Excellent posts Betpartners and GFPC. I'm totally in agreeance with you both. AffUnited - aka C-(doesnot) Pay is a joke, as is there response and it is shameful considering their history that GPWA allows them as a platinum sponsor here.

I can't even count the number of times I've seen posts relating to non payment or under-handing behavior at the hands of these yahoo's. My dog is more professional than this lot and they should be forced to answer and pay all outstanding affiliates or they should be removed as sponsors here!!!

Micheal, I'd like to see some comments and actions on the GPWA's part with respect to this.

[GFPC]

What troubles me is my actions in all this. Let me explain.

I was warned by several top affiliates. Big ones, small ones.. Affiliates that have been around here a long time and trusted well established affiliates.

They tried to tell me, and warn me but i decided to continue and trust Cpays from way back. That is what really bothers me.

We already have removed them from all our sites completely. At least i believe we have. We had so much content for them.. just tons.

Therefore i would like to say to those affiliates who did try to help me, thank you.. i know i know "I TOLD YOU SO" I am sure will be coming.
In the end i did whats right - They are now gone and your right they do not care about me or my sites!!

However problem is 50% solved. Part A is done. Now on to part B.

I know we have asked GPWA to get involved and speak up. I think possibly they looking into this matter and do not want to report anything as of yet.

I give my full 100% trust that GPWA will do whats right soon

Steve

[CityGuard]

I'll follow up with Karin about the issues raised in this thread. As there is some indication from her that portions of what was raised in this thread have been resolved, I'd like to know specifically about any issues raised that remain outstanding. Please send me an email at stavan AT gpwa DOT org. Change both "A"s in the email address to "E"s -- just using them to disguise the address from spam email harvesters.

[GFPC]

I do appreciate you efforts mate. Awesome work and thank you..

But...

Why are you required to do this? You must go out of your way? Collect email messages from affiliates and gather them and send to her/him?

It seems you have to be the messenger in all this between us and them, when all they have to do is stand up and recognize our issues here publicly.

Europartners has the decency to do this the right way and I appreciate them for doing so.

Yet Affiliates United can simply hide behind you as a shield!!!

It seems really inappropriate for them to allow this type of approach.

Shame on them

Steeve

I'll follow up with Karin about the issues raised in this thread. As there is some indication from her that portions of what was raised in this thread have been resolved, I'd like to know specifically about any issues raised that remain outstanding. Please send me an email at stavan AT gpwa DOT org. Change both "A"s in the email address to "E"s -- just using them to disguise the address from spam email harvesters.

[sparky1]

Cowards do tend to do that Steve. They haven't the decency to stand up and do whats right so they hide behind others but you must not be surprized by the sheer lack of professionalism by these fools are you?

The sad part is the GPWA hasn't done anything really to make them stand up and be accountable and what that does it take away from the legitamacy of those platinum sponsors that are professional and take affiliate concerns and relations seriously.

I'm not seeing a whole lot of representation from the GPWA at all over this and still waiting for Micheal to add his 2 cents worth with respect to this and an explaination as to why these yahoo's are still allowed to be platinum sponsors when they consistantly do wrong to affiliates and don't pay!

[Affiliates United]

Yeah i have been trying to promote them for 2 years.. With PRS and all other casinos.... and its also funny... i get no clicks...

While all other brands are doing fine... or at least several hundred clicks...

With C- Dont - Pays now Affilaite United i cant get not even a click. Yet i have tested this... I have had players do the no deposit bonus... and sign ups... yet when i look at states no where to be found..

SO sick.. and i have them on 6 sites.. LOL with 3 diff accounts...

NOne show any traffic..

When i was promoting their PRS i had 10 -20 sign ups.. and made something..

Then they turned around and revolked it.

And you know what else.. they don care one bit... They will send their havies after you.. and say all the right words.. let me call you... all the BS..

Then change your AM when your unhappy and a new guy will lsay all the same stuff all over..

They dont care.. just look here they are here reading these posts and dont even have the sense to reply.

They do not care...

Those concerned,

Affiliates United are very concerned that so many of you feel this way. we understand that you would like to air your grievances in public.

However, we feel this has gone too far and it is not the most effective platform for this. If you have a claim that you have not been paid/ If you have a claim that your tracking codes have not worked/ any other specific problem - We will be happy to assist you personally, and not discussing specific issues over the forum in a public insulting manner. <O:p
We would like to help and we are doing our best to understand where you are all coming from. However, the majority of posts here have made allegations and insults with no specifics.

Affiliates United are sure that everything you are angry about come from somewhere. However, we are also sure that it is something that can be solved in quick and simple manner.

Please be aware that your affiliate managers are there to help you. A lot of them have personal relationships with you. We can tell you for a fact that they are very upset about the way you feel and about the fact somebody is calling them a thief and a cheat and looking to damage their business.
<O:p
After all, we are all here for similar reasons, and believe mutual respect is top priority to make this successful.

This does not mean that problems do not arise only that they are solved with a little fuss as possible.
<O:p
As they are contacted directly.

Please feel free to be specific with your problems. while we will not come in on daily basis and "defend" ourselves against every claim, we are willing to sit and discuss with you a system as to what can be done on this forum. e.g Collecting your posts on a weekly basis and either answer them publicly on the forum or personally.

Please let us know what you all feel would be best and we will do our best to accommodate this.

However, we will not respond to insults.
<O:p
<O:p
Karin
Affiliate Program Marketing Coordinator<O:p

[Betpartners]

Karin with all due respect your answers never seem to come across that well, maybe someone else from Aff Utd should respond as not to antagonise the situation.

With regards to insults, yes that should not happen and personally one of the biggest insult i can think of is not paying affiliates for months at a time, not tracking players fairly and not responding in a professional manner.

That said the biggest insult on here from what i can see has been the lack of action by the GPWA

Am i surprised? sadly no

The response from the GPWA has at best been weak, there are clearly issues here that are crying out to be resolved and yet again the GPWA does not appear up to the job.

I mean no respect here, i like Michael and the others but if the GPWA could show just 20% of the vigor and enthusiasm that they put in to exposing CAP they would be far more effective.

Come on lads, there is a huge issue here, aff Utd are are abdicating their responsibilities, dont you do the same

[Chips]

No insult intended or implied. It is very hard to swallow the fact that more than one of us has the same issue. We install banners, text links, write reviews, blogs, get traffic and yet go over a month without a single visit. There is not one other casino, poker room, skill site, banner, link, program that I have gone without one single visit.

We all are professionals here, we do this for a living. There is no way that this could truthfully happen. No I am not going to send an email to Steven, my (former) affiliate manager or the director at AffUTD. I am not ignorant enough to honestly believe that I had not a single visit to your (AffUTD) property in well over two months.

By us voicing our feelings and thoughts here we are doing a service to other affiliates that either a) Do not know about the cheating. b) Are having the same issues but do not want to rock the boat.

We held up our end of the agreement by actively promoting the brand(s). We spend the necessary resources to drive traffic as we do with any program or brand. You all find a way to "relieve" us of the revenues we generated for you.

It is dirty what you all are doing. I for one will never assist you in your endeavors again. And will communicate your deceptive ways to others so they do not fall into the same trap that you all lay.

I repeat, there needs to be an investigation done privately to expose the wrong doings.

[GFPC]

Dirty is right. Going on 2 years. Simply google search them. Boy do i feel naive. I trusted them for a full 2 years and listened to my AM say all kinds of things.... but in respect to her i won't.

The problems are prevalent, but another major problem is the fact they simply do not answer you. They want no part in repairing relations.

Lets assume they are innocent of these atrocities. Why would continue to be so silent and say nothing. Only wen people resort to a more aggressive attack do they reply and throw out the victim song.

Because were angry and critical means they have to stop all communications.

For a billion or several million dollar company i find this hard to stomach.

Unless there is truth to all our "gut" feelings.

Guess they will do nothing to alleviate this.....

I have d them from all my sites, which must be a relief to them.. but i will continue to work with all affiliates and share with them all what they are like.

Steve