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    This is a warning against Europartners! I had bad experiences with them three years ago (and now again) where they booked a 6 months fixed paid campaign on my site for titanbet, but told me after three months that they won't pay the remaining months. After weeks of discussion and a official warning from our side they paid back the discount but not the agreed three months.

    Now they came back to me and told me that they want to book a campaign for titanbet again. I told them that I'm not interested because they cheated me last time. They answered that many things changed in the last three years and my former contact at europartners was known for his bad work. Further my new contact told me that he want to book the top place and they will pay a very good price. I offered them some of my best banners and links and they decided to book 12 months and pay all up front. I sent the invoice and then the story begins.

    I had to register at Europartners and they told me to send them a copy of my incorporation document because they have to proof my identity (covered by their T&C). I told them that they can proof my identy with my VAT ID, none of my advertising partner needs such a copy and I'm in this business for over ten years now. After that they wanted to change the cooperation from 12 to 1 month and I have to send them a copy of my driver licence. Two e-mails later they changed again and wanted to book 3 months and if they're satsified then they would book 9 months more, but pay 10% less than agreed before. But the minimum duration for the top place is six months on my page, so this wasn't possible.

    I suggested to sign a contract with them, but they ignored it. After some mails more they agreed on signing a contract for 12 months, paid in four installments, always up front at the beginning of each quarter. I agreed on sending a copy of my driver licence. I sent the signed contract and after that they should send it back to me I would send my copy. They told me that I have to send the copy first but that was not an option for me after all the experinces with europartners.

    The story continues...

    They don't sign my contract because they wanted to include a cancellation clause where they can terminate the contract whenever they want within 48 hours. I asked them why we should sign a contract if they can terminate at any time. Europartners told me that this clause is standard an written in all of their contracts. They would only terminate if I would delete their banners. (good joke)

    So I told them that i don't want a cooperation with them. They've stolen many hours of work in the last weeks. Europartners doesn't work seriously in my point of view. So staying away is the best option because their business practices (change of agreement many times, copy of document, cancellation clause) is untrustworthy.

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    But surely you can understand where they are coming from. What is to happen if they do a deal with you and after 4 months you haven't sent them 1 Customer, They would still have to pay for nothing because its on the contract. I wouldn't worry as if your sending them a lot of traffic from your top position they will not terminate the contract. They would most probably extend it right?

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    I'm going to ignore my past feelings on Euro Partners for this post.

    You had a bad experience with them last time you did business with them. They reached out, wanting to do biz again - claiming the guy you dealt with was crap and no longer with the company (or he has done the infamous name change).

    Anyway, the minute they began tap dancing or deviating from the plan - why did you not just run?

    That seems just plain odd to me. If someone wrongs me in the past and they reach out wanting to make right - the first sign of smoke, I am breaking out the fire extinguisher under the assumption that there is fire. I'm done.

    Why you wasted time beyond the minute you felt like they were playing games (for whatever their reason) is beyond me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by premiergaming View Post
    But surely you can understand where they are coming from. What is to happen if they do a deal with you and after 4 months you haven't sent them 1 Customer, They would still have to pay for nothing because its on the contract. I wouldn't worry as if your sending them a lot of traffic from your top position they will not terminate the contract. They would most probably extend it right?
    you've got some front you have

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    Have them pay the full amount up front or just move on..

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebookiesoffers View Post
    you've got some front you have
    Why is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by premiergaming View Post
    But surely you can understand where they are coming from. What is to happen if they do a deal with you and after 4 months you haven't sent them 1 Customer, They would still have to pay for nothing because its on the contract. I wouldn't worry as if your sending them a lot of traffic from your top position they will not terminate the contract. They would most probably extend it right?
    I'm sure they know the traffic of my page, because otherwise they won't tell me that they'll pay a good price and book 12 months. In the dozens emails they never wanted a guaranted customer number and that's good so because I can't guarantee anything. But I have several partners who are on my page for years so Europartners knows that I bring good traffic.

    I offered them 6 months as well, but they wanted to book 12. The cancelation clause is for nothing. I don't have such clauses in my contracts. If Europartners wants to terminate at any time, then I could change the banner positions and the prices as well at any time?! No, such clauses are untrustworthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Shay- View Post
    I'm going to ignore my past feelings on Euro Partners for this post.

    You had a bad experience with them last time you did business with them. They reached out, wanting to do biz again - claiming the guy you dealt with was crap and no longer with the company (or he has done the infamous name change).

    Anyway, the minute they began tap dancing or deviating from the plan - why did you not just run?

    That seems just plain odd to me. If someone wrongs me in the past and they reach out wanting to make right - the first sign of smoke, I am breaking out the fire extinguisher under the assumption that there is fire. I'm done.

    Why you wasted time beyond the minute you felt like they were playing games (for whatever their reason) is beyond me.
    Europartners have apologized for their behavior three years ago, so I wanted to give them a second chance, but they didn't use it.
    Now everything is sure, I'll never make any business with guys from Israel. I had similar experiences with William Hill (aff utd)...
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    Can't count how many times I have read negative stuff about europartners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justbookies
    Can't count how many times I have read negative stuff about europartners.
    You mean the past? Oh, always interesting, written by whom and with which narcotic, intellectual challenge.

    And "I'll never make any business with guys from Israel." is really an analytical record with substance, love for details and foresight.

    We should never eat Jaffa oranges and grapefruits from Israel anymore.
    Right?
    No?
    Yes!
    Because if somebody is writing in a public forum, that he will "never make any business with guys from Israel", then he must be consistent because of the own credibility.

    Sweeping generalisations are always problematic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by premiergaming View Post
    Why is that?
    you know exactly why, not for this thread though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung View Post
    You mean the past? Oh, always interesting, written by whom and with which narcotic, intellectual challenge.
    Well it was not in the future or present, so yes in the past. Europartners have a rotten reputation. You may think they are great but if you search this forum or even use a search engine you should find the many very specific references to why europartners have attracted criticism. I promoted them years ago. Never again.
    As for the thorny israel comments, I kind of understand where that poster is coming from. There seems to be a culture that exists in many affiliate programs located there that is to the detriment of affiliates. Of course to generalise on that point risks obvious criticisms. Some subjects are best not mentioned, but it does seem israel harbours some affiliate unfriendly programs. It could have been the isle of wight, but it isnt.

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    Thanks justbookies. That's what I wanted to say with the deleted post, but I didn't find the correct words (bad English ).

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    EuroPartners are not recommended at Gaffg due to questionable tracking and shaving issues.

    http://gaffg.com/affiliate-programs/...rtners-review/

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaffg View Post
    EuroPartners are not recommended at Gaffg due to questionable tracking and shaving issues.

    http://gaffg.com/affiliate-programs/...rtners-review/
    Do you have additional information you're able to share regarding the tracking and shaving issues? Very interested in this.

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    Thanks for sharing this experience with us. I suggest you just not even start a negotiation with them. Your terms of deal, or simply nothing, thanks and bye bye. Simple as it is... and everyone should do the same in situations like this. No deal and bye...

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    Quote Originally Posted by justbookies View Post
    Can't count how many times I have read negative stuff about europartners.
    So true, I really don't know why people still work with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaffg View Post
    EuroPartners are not recommended at Gaffg due to questionable tracking and shaving issues.

    http://gaffg.com/affiliate-programs/...rtners-review/
    BUMP - Is this just a link drop or do you have facts to support the claims you've made. I am VERY interested in knowing more about their "questionable tracking and shaving issues" but your article does little to PROVE the accusations. The article doesn't even help me reach a conclusion ffs.

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    More or less the same as what other affiliates have experienced.

    Referred webmasters being contacted by affiliate managers and giving them new usernames thus leaving us without the 2% sub affiliate commission.

    Other issues including cashouts matching deposits in the middle of the month when commissions were previously owed for the previous month as well as many months before that. No explanations provided on both problems, only asking for more traffic and players.

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