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    Quote Originally Posted by P4K Gaming View Post
    Bet Partner,

    I agree, I have acted i anger and for that I apologize, However the comments about being ethical I feel they are warranted, because if you have someone slamming me then i have every right to defend myself. More so if they are unethical themselves.

    Daera,

    As for my comment about you and Managers i apologize, But I do not apologize for anything else. I feel i have due cause to bring this up due to your involvement.
    I'm not asking for, expecting, nor do I want any apology from you.

    It would be nice after all these years, to just see an end to complaints about you scamming people.

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    The thing is Lori,

    A scam is where someone takes something and doesn't own up to what is owed. Everything else we have said is true and correct.

    At the end of the day, We had sent a proposal to the casino, They refused to reply. What more can we do when a casino says We want our money back if we do not have it right at that time.

    I will however be seeking advise on what Jaxon has done.

    If we had of stolen the money with no intentions of paying it back we would have not bothered to try and fix the issue. End of Story.

    We didn't ask Jaxon to come and post this publicly so anything i have to say about them is no more than what they have already done.

    It was wrong of me to lash out at you, Weather you choose to accept this apology is upto you.

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    ***In response to Sharon from Online Casino Bonus Forum, You deserved everything you got, Even as far as trying to claim to Golden Associates the affiliate company for Golden Casino that you had alot more members and traffic that you did. Anyone can have this confirmed. As the casino refused to continue with there Media Deal.


    Well Well Wayne, seems you think you know it all don't ya? I have you know that media deal did go through and their banner is still on my board.

    Daera, I see that you know him all to well. Wayne is hateful if anyone stands up to him, he can't stand it! I stood up to him and i have a folder full of threating discusting e-mails from him and his boyfriend.

    Wayne please stay away from my board, we have banned your IP addy but you keep coming back for some reason, we have found you in the Admin Panel and have once again banned your guest account.

    You knew you were lying when you said that you wouldn't come back here to post or read....lol
    This is what you thrive on jerk!

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    Hi Jaxon,

    I'm so very sorry this has happened to you, next time you make a deal like this get some references.this has happened 3 times to my knowledge.

    I tried to warn the last affiliate manager not to send him upfront monies, but it was to late. he had already paid him, and of course never delivered the promises he has made.

    I worked for him, and he stiffed me, and other staff member's with excuse after excuse, as to why he couldn't pay us. I am glad you made this post... as I had told another affiliate manager to post a warning about him months ago, I'm sorry you lost your money. I know you learned your lesson.

    wayne do NOT bring up my name again, as you made your bed now.. Lie in it.

    you and I both know, this is NOT the first time you have made this kind of deal with a casino, and never paid them so go BS Someone else.

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    Don't make me laugh Sharon

    I have no intentions of hacking your site.

    Your words over anyone else does not appeal to me,

    Your site, is a wreck you don't even realize your killer your own site in the search engines. I do not like you, i have always thought of you as a very
    insecure woman and you were an EX staff member that was fired due to your unethical behavior.

    Oh and please post screen shots of your log file to show i tried getting in your site please, I would be interested to see if you can back up your words.

    Oh and you obviously are not blocking my IP sharon because I can still see your crappy site.!!!

    Get a life and stop gossiping bull crap.

    This site has seem to turn into a site it use to promote they would never allow. Funny how things change isn't it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betpartners View Post
    Thanks mate but be asured i am not scared off by this sort of posting, what i am finding hard to swallow is the lack of moderation now on the GPWA, i know it needs to be transparent but jeez some things now are becoming standard practise and crossing the line, which in turn derails threads.

    I will PM Michael later about this, probably best all round that i air my grievances in private with him as i am sure me and him will disgarree vehemently on the battle between transpancy and moderation.

    I understand what you are saying M8, however, there is a fine line that needs defining i suppose.

    i have my own views on this which will most probably sit somewhere between the two of you.
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    I don't know what was deleted/taken back in this thread, but I still see Daera being called a cow - how does this benefit the affiliate community?

    There is some highly unprofessional behavior here, I don't see that name calling has a place on a professional board.

    Also, if someone is accused of something, and then turns around and accuses someone else of something completely different - that's just a cheap way of trying to avert the issue. When I see someone doing that, their credibility is shot instantly.

    As far as I know anyone can post a grievance here, affiliates post grievances with managers all the time, why shouldn't a manager post a grievance with an affiliate? What's fair is fair.

    That said, affiliates charging placement fees need to be careful of what they promise. Everyone here is in business to make money, and casinos cannot be expected to pay for exposure that does no good. If you make promises you can't keep, be prepared to be shunned by the casinos. If you make an honest mistake and misjudge the results, refund the $ INSTANTLY.

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    Rhonda,

    All i have to say about you is go take another Vicodin

    You are the biggest hypocritical person that god put on earth, you stole money from another staff member on our site and refused to speak with him for 2 weeks till you were able to pay it back. I will drag your name where i see fit.

    I do not like you, Nor do i trust you. Your an evil woman that I shared alot of personal information with and you have done nothing but mock, slander and gossip about it all..

    You failed to also tell people the other amount you stole while working for P4K, You made a $200 deal on media buy that you spent and never sent traffic to the casino, I have that managers email to confirm this if anyone would like.

    If you need reminding on the casino, I will glady post it here if i have there permission and contact details.

    RHONDA you know who i am talking about.

    And no you didn't send them one bit of traffic, they are still with us and getting results to if i may add.

    This whole thread has become an annoying moaning gossip section, until Jaxon has the decency to have his boss contact me, I will not be paying anything back end of story.

    There are other casino to Rhonda, but arrangements have been arranged and they are happy.

    The entire time you worked at our site, You were either to busy posting your own affiliates tags or you were to busy complaining to casinos you could get a bonus.

    You are what this industry calls a BONUS [derogatory term edited out of this post].

    Now get lost
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dominique View Post

    That said, affiliates charging placement fees need to be careful of what they promise. Everyone here is in business to make money, and casinos cannot be expected to pay for exposure that does no good. If you make promises you can't keep, be prepared to be shunned by the casinos. If you make an honest mistake and misjudge the results, refund the $ INSTANTLY.
    I agree with this Dom but only in the event that promises are made, if no such guarantees are made then no refunds should be issued.

    It also works both ways, if a spot is sold and no sign ups are made etc everyone loses, i have spots that i have placed ads on and nothing came from it and refunded even without any obligation, but if i left say google adsense on there i would have received say $30 a day.

    Would the casino, sportsbook have refund me that, no

    But to reiterate, yes if gauantees are made they must be honoured.
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    I don't know what was deleted/taken back in this thread, but I still see Daera being called a cow - how does this benefit the affiliate community?

    There is some highly unprofessional behavior here, I don't see that name calling has a place on a professional board.

    Also, if someone is accused of something, and then turns around and accuses someone else of something completely different - that's just a cheap way of trying to avert the issue. When I see someone doing that, their credibility is shot instantly.

    As far as I know anyone can post a grievance here, affiliates post grievances with managers all the time, why shouldn't a manager post a grievance with an affiliate? What's fair is fair.

    That said, affiliates charging placement fees need to be careful of what they promise. Everyone here is in business to make money, and casinos cannot be expected to pay for exposure that does no good. If you make promises you can't keep, be prepared to be shunned by the casinos. If you make an honest mistake and misjudge the results, refund the $ INSTANTLY.


    I agree with you to some point, But for a casino REP to state scam artist would be the wrong way of putting it.

    I would understand these comments, IF and Only IF not one peace of contact or arrangement was done. Simply posting this crap because they cant be bothered with my proposal is not my fault.

    As advertised if we don't meet a target we will refund, At this stage it is a delayed process but we have by no means scammed anyone. We have given correct figures from our traffic stats, We have a databse of 9000 registered emails and we have not disappeared.

    If a casino calls that scamming then i guess i have, They will be re-paid when we have the money to repay it, If they bothered to reply to our proposal we could have got this sorted before it reached the forums.

    Now I will not make comment on anything else in this thread,

    We have in total 3 casino in which we need to pay back, Simply because our site was down alot of the time and we could not promote.

    I have talked with 2 of these casinos and the other casino has not responded. Here is my email if they need to disguss payment arrangements. support@p4ks.com

    I am not a scammer, End of story

    In future i will not be putting a guarantee, This is one serious lesion i have learn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by P4K Gaming View Post
    I agree with you to some point, But for a casino REP to state scam artist would be the wrong way of putting it.

    I would understand these comments, IF and Only IF not one peace of contact or arrangement was done. Simply posting this crap because they cant be bothered with my proposal is not my fault.

    As advertised if we don't meet a target we will refund, At this stage it is a delayed process but we have by no means scammed anyone. We have given correct figures from our traffic stats, We have a databse of 9000 registered emails and we have not disappeared.

    If a casino calls that scamming then i guess i have, They will be re-paid when we have the money to repay it, If they bothered to reply to our proposal we could have got this sorted before it reached the forums.

    Now I will not make comment on anything else in this thread,

    We have in total 3 casino in which we need to pay back, Simply because our site was down alot of the time and we could not promote.

    I have talked with 2 of these casinos and the other casino has not responded. Here is my email if they need to disguss payment arrangements. support@p4ks.com

    I am not a scammer, End of story

    In future i will not be putting a guarantee, This is one serious lesion i have learn't
    It sounds like you think posts were worded wrong, and should have been worded better about you. That accusations about you should not be made without solid proof. And that the original post should not have been made without discussing it with you privately first.

    Yet the posts you've made in this thread are completely inappropriate.

    One would expect better behavior from you if you're demanding it from others.

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    Exactly Daera, calling people cows and bonus whores is really childish and inappropriate. Wayne does not respect anyone and will do harm when ever he can. Rhonda is a good person and she does not scam casinos with false promises. When she or myself make a deal with casinos we deliver and don't make excuses.

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    Bottom line in this thread for me is that a comment was made about a lady basically saying that she slept around with affiliate managers to get what she wanted.

    Once this was posted any respect for the party making the post has gone and wether or not they are right or wrong they aint getting no support from me!

    Incidently i can see that there is more than 1 side to this story and it is a grey area, however, the attitude used in defence of the original post has done no favours for anyone.

    I would suggest refunding and keeping out of each others way!
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    Well anyway I decided to strap myself to my office chair, grab a pot of coffee, and fire up my system. As stated earlier I get quite disgusted to learn when other deceit people are deceived ripped off financially. I see it all the time 24/7. The last was a female, not in this industry, was taken for well over 12,000 Euros. I call this sick a fine tuned predator amongst its prey must be cool to live the candy store.

    Anyway P4 have not slept for the last 20 plus hours. Say I was busy leaning more about your online presence. Mapping out a few things here and there. Reading other people’s views etc…

    P4 would you agree this is not the first time you pulled the carpet under another feet. Taken them on one your magic carpet rides? I won’t call it a “scam” rather the “Hustle”.

    P4 you may carry a stick but mine is bigger and you must trust me on this one. The difference is I don’t go around beating people with it. It would be nice for you to make things right.

    Okay Hustler?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chalkie View Post
    Bottom line in this thread for me is that a comment was made about a lady basically saying that she slept around with affiliate managers to get what she wanted.

    Once this was posted any respect for the party making the post has gone and wether or not they are right or wrong they aint getting no support from me!

    Incidently i can see that there is more than 1 side to this story and it is a grey area, however, the attitude used in defence of the original post has done no favours for anyone.

    I would suggest refunding and keeping out of each others way!
    It is amazing how old rumors and untruths keep surfacing on the internet.

    I remember that story, and it was false.

    I agree emphatically with Chalkie, all credibility was lost when completely unrelated items were brought up (dredged up from the distant past even) in order to divert attention.

    I think we have the facts:

    Advertising was bought from a publisher and brought no return.

    The guarantee was not honored with the excuse that the publisher would only speak to upper management.

    There are two other places that are owed by the same publisher.

    The publisher does not have the funds to pay up and promises to do so when he does.

    That's what I get from this thread, except for a lot of unprofessional and intentionally hurtful nonsense.

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    I also recognize the template from http://www.gamblingtemplates.co.uk/ and does not contain the link back like the license requires.

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    P4 no money involved resolving this issue as it appears there maybe one. Not sure but maybe you are immune from following T&C's of using the template. Pretty sure the template comes with specified coding upon download.

    Shocked to see you refer to people as "cows". Maybe we are just cattle in your world.

    Pay up P4

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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
    I also recognize the template from http://www.gamblingtemplates.co.uk/ and does not contain the link back like the license requires.

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    Well, as of 11:00 AM EST wayne is not using that template anymore humm....


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    Quote Originally Posted by livefree247 View Post
    Well, as of 11:00 AM EST wayne is not using that template anymore humm....
    Maybe P4 will not be using much of anything. They are pretty cool templates strange I was looking for some.

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    I agree that this thread has gotten completly out of hand, and I think Michael and Steven should step in.

    As a policy, we do NOT usually edit posts, so it may actually be necessary to close this thread, and as a suggestion if they choose to do so maybe they can post a summary of what transpired when doing so.

    I ask all participants and those reading this thread to stop for a second and calm down a bit.

    Before posting, ask yourself if what you are about to post is actually serving any good, or is it just lashing out at someone.

    And please immediately stop ALL Personal Attacks!

    Like Dom stated earlier (as well as a few others) this kind of thing has no business here.

    I have only had a chance to only quickly scan this thread, but it's pretty obvious that accusations and attacks have been flying and detracting from what could have been a thread that may have allowed these companies to either work out their issues, or at least post their feelings on what went down from their side of the story.

    If the personal attacks continue I will close this thread myself and let Michael determine whether it should be allowed to continue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
    I agree that this thread has gotten completly out of hand, and I think Michael and Steven should step in.

    As a policy, we do NOT usually edit posts, so it may actually be necessary to close this thread, and as a suggestion if they choose to do so maybe they can post a summary of what transpired when doing so.

    I ask all participants and those reading this thread to stop for a second and calm down a bit.

    Before posting, ask yourself if what you are about to post is actually serving any good, or is it just lashing out at someone.

    And please immediately stop ALL Personal Attacks!

    Like Dom stated earlier (as well as a few others) this kind of thing has no business here.

    I have only had a chance to only quickly scan this thread, but it's pretty obvious that accusations and attacks have been flying and detracting from what could have been a thread that may have allowed these companies to either work out their issues, or at least post their feelings on what went down from their side of the story.

    If the personal attacks continue I will close this thread myself and let Michael determine whether it should be allowed to continue.

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    Thank you Rick, both for your post, and for bringing the situation to my attention with the pm you sent me.

    There is a line between letting folks share information and express opinions in a professional mannor and dragging discussions into the gutter. And while some of the discussion in this thread has been reasonable, some has also crossed the line.

    At the moment I am not going to actually close this thread, but I will be monitoring it more closely. If I see any future posts that I view cross the line I will be inclined to suspend posting privileges of the appropriate person temporarily and conduct a poll to determine what members here feel is an appropriate duration for the suspension.

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