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    Hey everyone,

    We have recently been victimized by an affiliate. Wayne Jackson is his name and his url is http://www.p4ks.com/. Everybody STAY AWAY from this guy! He initially sent us an email in on Feb 1, 2009 and asked if we would like to speak to him about promotions, so I added him to msn and away we went. Below is his actual proposal:

    “For monthly fee of $XXX per month, we will place a gurantee that you will receive anywhere from 40+ depositing players or full refund issued.
    Positon (1) Comes with banners on every page, Inclusion to our database of 9000+ registered readers from our News Letter
    and over 1000 regsitered community forum members that are currently active and depositing players.

    For a one time offer we are prepaird to offer you 2 months for the price of one as a test run if you wanted this option as well.

    We came to an agreement and I foolishly sent him prepayment for his “services”. After a couple of months of zero results, I contacted him and asked for our money back. He said that he would pay us back, but now it’s June and he still hasn’t paid us. It seemed highly unlikely that we were going to get our money back, so we asked around and tried to find out more about Wayne and it turns out that he is known for running schemes like this. Below is a snippet of a response from one of Wayne’s ex-employees,

    he sets up media deals with casino's gets up front money, makes guarantees he will bring in xxx amount of depositing players or your money back, once the casino manager sends him the money he disappears, this is his MO and I don't deal with people of this nature. he also owed me alot of money and never paid me or other staff"

    We emailed him numerous times and he would take weeks to get back to us and it seemed like we were chasing a ghost at times. We are not making false accusations and we have all the supporting conversations and emails saved between the two of us. We just want to alert everybody of this and make sure that it doesn’t ever happen to anyone again! If anyone has any additional information or has been a victim to this scheme, please PM me or post about it.

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    Sorry to hear you got scammed however i have to say a very quick look at his forum, his alexa ranking, his PR ranking should have told you his promises looked optimistic to say the least.

    Always have to do due dilligence before handing any money over, looking at his forum alone shows just over 1000 members, the chances of that being 1000 active members is basically zero, a closer look at his forum just confirms that,

    I know this is of no comfort and that you have lost money but at least you are doing the right thing by bringing this to peoples attention.

    Thanks for the heads up.
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    I was new at the time and was very eager to get something going and as I said in my post, I foolishly sent the prepayment. What can I say, I got fooled and was way too naive in dealing with this guy. Lesson learned
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSM_Jaxon View Post
    I was new at the time and was very eager to get something going and as I said in my post, I foolishly sent the prepayment. What can I say, I got fooled and was way too naive in dealing with this guy. Lesson learned
    Actually i worded it wrong,i came across a bit arrogant there , did not mean it that way

    What i was trying to say was, yes you may have made a mistake but i am sure you wont allow it to happen again so something good has come out of it in that sense.

    Sorry for the way i put it, you did not need me to tell you what you obviously already realised

    I see they have a CAP logo, have you posted over there, maybe at least you can get that seal removed, also consider bringing it to the attention of their hosting, other affiliate programs that are on there and so on.

    You never know, by applying pressure in all sorts of areas he may decide its better to pay you.

    LOL again spouting off the obvious, just trying to be helpful honest
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betpartners View Post
    I see they have a CAP logo, have you posted over there, maybe at least you can get that seal removed, also consider bringing it to the attention of their hosting, other affiliate programs that are on there and so on.

    You never know, by applying pressure in all sorts of areas he may decide its better to pay you.
    No problem, I deserve a little bit of scrutiny . Thanks for the added info and don't you worry, we're exploring all the avenues available to make sure that he doesn't do this again .
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    Hi Jax,

    Listen, don't beat yourself up over this. I was also scammed by this guy. I went to work for him but didn't know what i was getting into until after the fact. He still owes me money from way back and im certainly not expecting it. I do know that he does offer these x amount of players to casinos that will deposit and promise to give them their cashback if the requirements are not met but that never happened, He did this to the Grand Prive Group when i was working for him ( ughhhhhhh i even hate to say that i worked for him ) And, i suppose that when he see's that i have replyed to this thread i will get more threating e-mails saying how he can ruin me and my board and my reputation as a forum owner. People that know me knows that i am honest and i don't do the horrible things that he does.
    He preyed on you because you are pretty new to the business and it's a shame that he continues to do these things to good people.

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    I hate hearing this stuff. Always someone getting scammed one way or another. Talk is cheap my friends and if it were me I would follow this fellow to the brink.

    Be polite and business like is okay but under these circumstances I say not. I see this stuff everyday 24/7 and it sickens me.

    Good people be taken advantage just don't sit well IMO.

    Thanks Jaxon for the post it tells us all something about the character of some people. I personally would be outraged the money spent could have gone towards a more worthy cause.

    Shar61 shoot me a PM enlighten me a little.

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    It happens to the best of us. I've had some bad deals - even with a former member. It's a tough pill to swallow, but sometimes taking a risk will bring reward. The status quo doesn't always pay off.

    That said, due diligence (calculated risk) on all financial measures is important for any business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shar61 View Post
    And, i suppose that when he see's that i have replyed to this thread i will get more threating e-mails saying how he can ruin me and my board and my reputation as a forum owner.
    He does do this. When someone speaks out against him he likes to send private messages or emails with threats. I've received them myself in the past.

    Once a long time ago, before I knew him, I used to talk to him and felt sorry for him.. thinking he was getting picked on.

    But now, I know better. He is a scammer 100%. And it amazes me how many people he fools.

    It's because of people like him that there's so much distrust in our industry.

    Stay away from Wayne Jackson.
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    I am only responding Once to this matter and it is not to justify our agreement with Jet Set Marketing.

    The campaign was suppose to begin, And we had made the deal arrangements that Jaxon has so kindly advertised. No one is disagreeing there. As Jaxon wasn't to sure weather he should list the amount it is $495.

    Let me say this to you Jaxon,

    I am still yet to receive a reply from your boss in relation to payment, We were working through an arrangement to have the $495 repaid as we did not meet our arrangement deal.

    But I will not support a marketing company of your nature to publicly slam me considering you haven't even bothered to reply to me. I have been on msn countless times while you have been on and not one message has come through regarding our proposal we sent yous.

    So long as this post remains, You are costing us potential Affiliate earnings which will add upto alot more than $495.

    You hadn't even had a deal signed by us or you in which I thought then was very stupid. We had full intentions of getting your campaign started. However due to site issues WHICH CAN be confirmed with our hosting company and other matters which prevented us from getting this of the ground.

    We have at all times said when we were in a position to repay this we would, We even suggested a payment installment "WE ARE YET" To hear back.

    In response to Sharon from Online Casino Bonus Forum, You deserved everything you got, Even as far as trying to claim to Golden Associates the affiliate company for Golden Casino that you had alot more members and traffic that you did. Anyone can have this confirmed. As the casino refused to continue with there Media Deal.

    As most Casino affiliates will know Sharon is equal owner to there site with Livefree247 - Rhonda. Need i say anymore about them, I am sure you know. As a few of you have spoken to us about them.

    As for you Daera
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    Your opinion is worthless to me Daera, You have always been an over dramatized [derogatory term edited out of this post], You are someone that it doesnt matter what you promote as long as your pocket is lined with the Dollar sign. You claim to be ethical but you know you were invloved with the hacking and destruction of my first Ezboard Site Gambling Gods, We still have the logs of when you went in and admined ex employees. You are the last person to be speaking anything about ethical behavour.

    Jaxon you please yourself in what you are doing, We will wait to hear from your boss and i will not deal with an unprofessional [derogatory term edited out of this post].

    It shows alot about your business and the type of business you are running.

    If you think by posting our arrangement publicly you will achive anything, Then I am sorry it wont speed up any payment arrangement.

    I would like contact details of your CEO the Casinos CEO please as I will be dealing with them from now on.

    I don't normally come here but it was a casino that pointed this out and also comment how unprofessional you are.

    I am not commenting on this subject anymore nor will i come and read it, If you want to handle this professionally like another casino has to be repaid then i suggest you contact me as you promised with an answer to our proposal.

    You are un-beleaveable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P4K Gaming View Post
    I am only responding Once to this matter and it is not to justify our agreement with Jet Set Marketing.

    The campaign was suppose to begin, And we had made the deal arrangements that Jaxon has so kindly advertised. No one is disagreeing there. As Jaxon wasn't to sure weather he should list the amount it is $495.

    Let me say this to you Jaxon,

    I am still yet to receive a reply from your boss in relation to payment, We were working through an arrangement to have the $495 repaid as we did not meet our arrangement deal.

    But I will not support a marketing company of your nature to publicly slam me considering you haven't even bothered to reply to me. I have been on msn countless times while you have been on and not one message has come through regarding our proposal we sent yous.

    So long as this post remains, You are costing us potential Affiliate earnings which will add upto alot more than $495.

    You hadn't even had a deal signed by us or you in which I thought then was very stupid. We had full intentions of getting your campaign started. However due to site issues WHICH CAN be confirmed with our hosting company and other matters which prevented us from getting this of the ground.

    We have at all times said when we were in a position to repay this we would, We even suggested a payment installment "WE ARE YET" To hear back.

    In response to Sharon from Online Casino Bonus Forum, You deserved everything you got, Even as far as trying to claim to Golden Associates the affiliate company for Golden Casino that you had alot more members and traffic that you did. Anyone can have this confirmed. As the casino refused to continue with there Media Deal.

    As most Casino affiliates will know Sharon is equal owner to there site with Livefree247 - Rhonda. Need i say anymore about them, I am sure you know. As a few of you have spoken to us about them.

    As for you Daera
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    We have had issues from day one, Comment removed by betpartners as P4K Gaming removed the offending line also. Oh and yes there are alot more people commenting about this than you think.

    Your opinion is worthless to me Daera, You have always been an over dramatized cow, You are someone that it doesnt matter what you promote as long as your pocket is lined with the Dollar sign.

    Jaxon you please yourself in what you are doing, We will wait to hear from your boss and i will not deal with an unprofessional Idiot.

    It shows alot about your business and the type of business you are running.

    If you think by posting our arrangement publicly you will achive anything, Then I am sorry it wont speed up any payment arrangement.

    I would like contact details of your CEO the Casinos CEO please as I will be dealing with them from now on.

    I don't normally come here but it was a casino that pointed this out and also comment how unprofessional you are.

    I am not commenting on this subject anymore nor will i come and read it, If you want to handle this professionally like another casino has to be repaid then i suggest you contact me as you promised with an answer to our proposal.

    You are un-beleaveable.
    It is YOU that is unbelievable, what sort of comment is this

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    We have had issues from day one, Comment removed by betpartners as P4K Gaming removed the offending line also. Oh and yes there are alot more people commenting about this than you think.
    No place for that at all, who gives a shite about that sort of thing, what relevance does it have, shame on you.

    What the hell is happening on this forum these days, why is it becoming so hard to debate even with passion without these sort of bloody comments.

    Time for me now to have a serious think about my future particiaption, simply dont want to be reading this sort of crap.
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    I am sorry, I don't agree with you, When you have a woman that has hacked our original site Gambling Gods with 2 other people and destroyed it then try's to act all professional and upstanding, give me a break.

    As for the casino affiliate manager doing this sort of thing when there is a negotiation going on, IT clearly shows what sort of a company they are.

    I do not really give a flying rats ass as to the reasoning behind posting this crap Jet Set Marketing were always contacted either by email or msn.

    I have no time for Daera nor do i really care what she has to say.

    As for posting an arrangement between a company and person to post this arrangement on a public forum is very unethical.


    they may be correct in saying we owe them $495, however that does not give a business the right to post our arrangements publicly.


    Like Jaxon we are now going to explore our options and have taken screen shots of this post

    I look forward Jaxon to hearing from your employer and the casino CEO.
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    True to your word you came back!

    Oh, sorry, you said you were not coming back, you said you were going to repay but seem to be delaying it, if you intend repaying at all!

    It seems that you are 100% at fault here, and the posting of this issue here is a reason why we all participate. You are also entitled to respond here too and be listened to!

    You have, however, shot yourself in the foot and posted some rather contentious and at times nasty drivel!

    Had you came here and posted honest answers and excuses you may have recieved some support or at least been excused as it seems that you may want to repay but do not have the finances.

    Posting in the manner that you have and reading between the lines i feel that you have just dug yourself deeper.

    I would suggest just repaying the money as quick as you can and retracting your offensive remarks.

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    You need to look at the hypocrisy of your post

    On one hand speaking publicly about someones personal life, on the other complaing when a business deal is made public.

    I dont know the ins and outs of all this and dont care but to do what you did is so poor, you simply could not say your piece could you without making such a statement.

    You could have made an arguement without that, you chose not to.

    I judge people on how they behave and i am sure you dont give a **** what i think of you and i also have no doubt you will feel good at what you have done but i also feel good that i have higlighted the sort of character that you are and hopefully others will see that as well and deal with you in business accordingly.

    If you think you done yourself any favours here you are sorely mistaken
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    Why should I retract what I have said,

    I have retracted the manager comment in respects to Daera, but i will by no means apologize to her.

    If people are here slamming me, Why is it I am in the wrong for slamming them.

    For a company to post of this nature, It is purely unprofessional. I am not slamming Jaxon because we owe the money and we are not denying that.

    What i do not have to put up with is people pretending to be professional and respectful when they are far from it.


    Pfft,

    I am wasting my time here, We are in negotiations with Jet Set Marketing and they have chosen to make this public. That is Unethical and it is other casino affiliate managers that are reading this saying what was the Guy thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P4K Gaming View Post
    I am not commenting on this subject anymore nor will i come and read it,
    I knew that wouldn't hold up.

    And Wayne, I expected a response like this from you. You're always quite hateful if anyone stands up to you. And talk about what's unethical and unprofessional........ your post shows how ethical and professional you are. You're not.

    I didn't post here for your benefit Wayne, but for the benefit of others reading. Hopefully to save someone else from becoming your next victim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chalkie View Post

    ... and Martin (Betpartners) please dont let this post or any other of its type scare you from here. You are one of the most valuable posters here and have much respect. We need you here.
    Thanks mate but be asured i am not scared off by this sort of posting, what i am finding hard to swallow is the lack of moderation now on the GPWA, i know it needs to be transparent but jeez some things now are becoming standard practise and crossing the line, which in turn derails threads.

    I will PM Michael later about this, probably best all round that i air my grievances in private with him as i am sure me and him will disgarree vehemently on the battle between transpancy and moderation.
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    Bet Partner,

    I agree, I have acted i anger and for that I apologize, However the comments about being ethical I feel they are warranted, because if you have someone slamming me then i have every right to defend myself. More so if they are unethical themselves.

    Daera,

    As for my comment about you and Managers i apologize, But I do not apologize for anything else. I feel i have due cause to bring this up due to your involvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P4K Gaming View Post
    Why should I retract what I have said,

    I have retracted the manager comment in respects to Daera, but i will by no means apologize to her.

    If people are here slamming me, Why is it I am in the wrong for slamming them.

    For a company to post of this nature, It is purely unprofessional. I am not slamming Jaxon because we owe the money and we are not denying that.

    What i do not have to put up with is people pretending to be professional and respectful when they are far from it.


    Pfft,

    I am wasting my time here, We are in negotiations with Jet Set Marketing and they have chosen to make this public. That is Unethical and it is other casino affiliate managers that are reading this saying what was the Guy thinking.
    OK i remove my slamming of you i did in this one post in ressponse to your previous comment

    You apologised
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