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    Quote Originally Posted by Christiaan View Post
    I didn't express myself correctly. I meant that affiliate managers can see how much good affiliates earn. Is it hard for them to see the big numbers the affiliates get compared to what they earn.

    Although if I read that some earn 6 figures + commission, they have nothing to complain
    I'm sure if they could do it they would, but it's like me saying "look at those guys making 5m-10m a year in the city being top level traders. Oh I'd love to do that." But I know eff all about the money markets. To quote Sega, "to be this good takes AGES."

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    Quote Originally Posted by RacingJim View Post
    I'm sure if they could do it they would, but it's like me saying "look at those guys making 5m-10m a year in the city being top level traders. Oh I'd love to do that." But I know eff all about the money markets. To quote Sega, "to be this good takes AGES."
    True. It's like going to watch a match of Real Madrid and being pissed off because CR7 is making such an amount of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple7 View Post
    True. It's like going to watch a match of Real Madrid and being pissed off because CR7 is making such a amount of money.
    Well, He is a crybaby
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    I have seen managers who cried that their rather be just affiliates, not managers in some company. But the thing is, when you are manager you know that your income won't be less than sum X, but when you are on your own, you everything!!! depends from your actions.

    It is a bit pointless question, on how much they earn. It is not super hard work (no maths involved etc), but you have to know how to attract money into company, same as you do with new clients for your website lets say.
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    I guess that affiliate managers who receive a set salary don't have to worry about what they are going to earn every month, negative balances, T&C changes, search engine algo updates, etc.

    But it is interesting to note that while some AMs work very hard to push their brands by sending out frequent newsletters and promotional offers, etc, other AMs work very quietly in the background and hardly ever communicate with the affiliates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetbet View Post
    I guess that affiliate managers who receive a set salary don't have to worry about what they are going to earn every month, negative balances, T&C changes, search engine algo updates, etc.

    But it is interesting to note that while some AMs work very hard to push their brands by sending out frequent newsletters and promotional offers, etc, other AMs work very quietly in the background and hardly ever communicate with the affiliates.
    Every aff. manager is having a different tactic or different role. A senior aff. manager who's doing a country or region alone, perhaps will focus on key affiliate accounts, while a Ladbrokes junior with a certain number of accounts under him, will bother every affiliate every week. Also it depends on the brands they're working for. Some brands are selling themselves by good conversion, retention, good T&C's. Other brands need to be pushed, because their product is average or even dodgy, just like their terms & conditions, etc.

    And like every fixed salary job, yes... it's less stress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    If the sums here are true then I do not wonder that they are so lazy most of the time
    Thanks for this .. but it can work in reverse as well .. we try hard to be fast , efficient and on top of things something some affiliates are not lol but again its a partnership and its about working together to get the best results for everyone

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBinaryAff View Post
    It is not super hard work (no maths involved etc), but you have to know how to attract money into company
    It's not a hard job per se. it's a very easy job to be mediocre, but I think it is a very hard job to do well and above. You have to combine many skills to be really good at it.
    Knowing the business and most importantly the affiliate business.
    Knowing what is important to each affiliate and how to approach.
    Doing endless statistics to improve the stats and make the affiliate and the company earn more.
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    Naturally, communication skills, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMM View Post
    It's not a hard job per se. it's a very easy job to be mediocre, but I think it is a very hard job to do well and above. You have to combine many skills to be really good at it.
    Knowing the business and most importantly the affiliate business.
    Knowing what is important to each affiliate and how to approach.
    Doing endless statistics to improve the stats and make the affiliate and the company earn more.
    Endless search for new affiliates.
    Naturally, communication skills, etc.
    If you are managing the marketing or a team then you can add few additional things on top.
    I know that it is pretty hard, but all you need is experience and have good communication skills. Most affiliate managers work in teams so it is more teamwork, than solo, which is good as well.
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    Some are just hired because they look good?
    Sometimes I get approached by good looking girls at the conferences (not the hostesses) and they call themselves affiliate manager for brand x. Once you start a conversation with them they now almost nothing about the industry. And are stupid in general, one didn't even know that Belgium was a country...
    When they can convince a good affiliate to work with them (what I doubt), they probably give him to a "real" affiliate manager?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christiaan View Post
    Some are just hired because they look good?
    Sometimes I get approached by good looking girls at the conferences (not the hostesses) and they call themselves affiliate manager for brand x. Once you start a conversation with them they now almost nothing about the industry. And are stupid in general, one didn't even know that Belgium was a country...
    When they can convince a good affiliate to work with them (what I doubt), they probably give him to a "real" affiliate manager?
    Yeah, that is true case as well. Those young managers, who just look good but know nothing is very bad for a company. I once asked such affiliate if they provide CPA or only rev.share deals. She looked at me like I was asking what is the name of the robot which was launched by NASA to Mars
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christiaan View Post
    Some are just hired because they look good?
    Sometimes I get approached by good looking girls at the conferences (not the hostesses) and they call themselves affiliate manager for brand x. Once you start a conversation with them they now almost nothing about the industry. And are stupid in general, one didn't even know that Belgium was a country...
    When they can convince a good affiliate to work with them (what I doubt), they probably give him to a "real" affiliate manager?
    This tactic is not much different than hiring a "junior broker" or junior exec to make cold calls. They have the skill set to set an appointment for someone else - but not to close the deal themselves or engage in advanced discussions. Nothing wrong with this tactic at all IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Shay- View Post
    This tactic is not much different than hiring a "junior broker" or junior exec to make cold calls. They have the skill set to set an appointment for someone else - but not to close the deal themselves or engage in advanced discussions. Nothing wrong with this tactic at all IMO.
    I share MrBinaryAffs opinion on this. I think it is a bad tactic, if they are at the conference to talk with you about becoming an affiliate they should know about the business. They can hire hostesses to get you to the booth, or let those hostesses ask you for your businesscard. But a person who calls herself an affiliate manager should be a real affiliate manager who knows at least the basics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christiaan View Post
    Some are just hired because they look good?
    Sometimes I get approached by good looking girls at the conferences (not the hostesses) and they call themselves affiliate manager for brand x. Once you start a conversation with them they now almost nothing about the industry. And are stupid in general, one didn't even know that Belgium was a country...
    When they can convince a good affiliate to work with them (what I doubt), they probably give him to a "real" affiliate manager?
    They're hired for the occasion, to get some leads. That works sometimes better with a blond, big boobed bimbo than a bald man with a big beard. Usually they just try to forward you to someone who knows something of this business. It's like proppers at the Spanish costa. They hire good looking girls to get some men their bar, but those ones aren;t the ones that draft your beer.

    Speaking with people that don't know what they're talking about, just bothers me and it likely will lead that I won't be working with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christiaan View Post
    I share MrBinaryAffs opinion on this. I think it is a bad tactic, if they are at the conference to talk with you about becoming an affiliate they should know about the business. They can hire hostesses to get you to the booth, or let those hostesses ask you for your businesscard. But a person who calls herself an affiliate manager should be a real affiliate manager who knows at least the basics.

    True. I am not interested at all to talk with people that do not know more than "we pay on time, we convert good, we pay high commission" or of whom I have an impression that they're irritating.

    Also I hate stressing monologues. Sometimes it's like a cyclone that is approaching you. One of them got even impatient when I wrote down "MicroGaming" instead of MG. I was writing "MicroGaming" and she in a very stressful way "Write MG, write MG, write MG, you can write MG" .... Ok, if that half of a second is that important to you, than I won't bother anymore and it's bye bye.

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