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    I'm always honest about what I do and try my best to explain the concept of affiliate marketing to people (some people find it a little complicated). Plus, I don't really think there should be any negative associations with the industry anyway. Ultimately adults should be free to spend their money however they want, provided it's within the confines of the law.

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    Title of this thread: Morality of the industry

    There is no problem with the morality of the industry. I am sure, even in the Stone Age, the guys have gambled for the most haired women with mammoth bones, a sort of modern craps.

    No, the industry itself has no problems. Some people working in the industry have a problem with morality, and if you look closely, you can see it day by day more at places like here.

    And the two-faced, the content theft, the unprofessional and of course the scams ensures that the prejudices to the industry, even with morality, will be confirmed.

    My family is working in the gambling industry from the very 1st days in 1997. It's not easy to put anything over us. We have seen coming and going so many people. Sometimes it was very sad, sometimes justice.

    The most shocking fact is, that i believe, many people, working in the industry, have no idea about their products.

    The product is the casino and my opinion is, they have to know, how their games are working in every detail, the math, the background, the history of gambling, everything!

    I asked at AGD a sponsor on which way the randomness will created in this casino, e.g. atmospheric noise, because there was a complaint of a player with the randomess.

    He was unable to give me a detailed answer.

    My appeal: Learn everything about your product. This also applies to the webmaster. If you have know-how, then you don't must steal content or create ugly seo pages without any value for the readers.

    No, the morality is not the problem. To understand what morality is, this is for some people a seemingly insurmountable hurdle.

    I wish you a nice week.

    Enjoy your days and protect yourself from the thieves of time.

    Leopold

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    its a normal to do what you like to do .

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    Here is an imaginary scenario:
    You book a trip over the Internet.
    The great day is coming.
    Bags are packed.
    Here we go.
    Upon arrival, you'll find out that the hotel was not booked.
    You want your money back.
    The travel operator says "Sue Me!" and is laughing.
    In his country there exist a special civil law, that you can't sue him for that.
    How do you feel...?
    ...about him and morality?

    And what, if a law of this kind in the gambling industry exist?
    Yes, indeed! It's unbelievable, but reality.


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    addendum to my last post...

    This law example from Malta should show the audience, HOW IMPORTANT it is to choose the right program as a webmaster and the right casino as a player.

    Not all casinos from Malta are evil, but the past have shown, that the law was (ab)used.

    For example, Dublin Bet (https://www.gpwa.org/forum/vueaffiliates.html) have it's licence in Malta too, but this casino is so trustfully that i can recommend to play there even if no license would exist. I know a license is a must. It's only to show that good and evil examples exist.

    If nobody have to hide something then it's no problem to make law public, because words from law are the most important things and free to read for everybody on this planet and to think over it.

    Leopold

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    Hello Shay,

    thank your for the thank you, but that post is only half the worth because my prior one from yesterday about Malta law was censored after a post report from Cherry Affiliates from Malta. Shamed be he who thinks evil of it.

    Did you read this?

    PRIVATE MEMBER REGISTRATION
    This is our place to share information, discuss industry issues, and help each other better develop our sites. This community is self-governing and democratic, and therefore will not be censored in any way
    Source: https://www.gpwa.org/private_registration.asp

    "PRIVATE MEMBER ... will not be censored in any way"

    Now look here: https://www.gpwa.org/register.asp

    Do you see anything written, that public members "will not be censored in any way" too?

    And now listen to the words "morality of the industry" again and again, as long as you can find an answer for this paradox.

    I will call you back in 238 years.

    Leopold

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung View Post
    Hello Shay,

    thank your for the thank you, but that post is only half the worth because my prior one from yesterday about Malta law was censored after a post report from Cherry Affiliates from Malta. Shamed be he who thinks evil of it.

    Did you read this?


    Source: https://www.gpwa.org/private_registration.asp

    "PRIVATE MEMBER ... will not be censored in any way"

    Now look here: https://www.gpwa.org/register.asp

    Do you see anything written, that public members "will not be censored in any way" too?

    And now listen to the words "morality of the industry" again and again, as long as you can find an answer for this paradox.

    I will call you back in 238 years.

    Leopold
    You seriously need to take a chill pill and stop littering these forums with your censorship conspiracy theory posts. Before making accusations you should allow other parties time to respond. You have now littered numerous threads with posts about this "Malta issue".

    You remind me of an old lady I saw recently at the supermarket. She was accusing the cashier of being a thief because the cashier accidentally scanned the same item twice. Give the other person the benefit of the doubt, and time to respond, before accusing them of all types of heinous crimes.
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    Apologies for the late reply, just seeing my name being brought up now.

    As I replied in your other thread and before you start waging an attack on me and Cherry Affiliates. The reason I reported your post, is not to censor you. The reason was I felt you were derailing the thread, and this wasn't the first time I personally thought this, so wanted to flag this to admin

    We are now at the point where I have to derailing a thread in order to explain!

    I am an active member on GPWA, as well as easily accessible via email/skype/phone/pm/facebook etc, should you have any additional issues please feel free to contact me, my door is always open to discuss and I'll leave it at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElaineGardiner View Post
    The reason I reported your post, is not to censor you.
    Yes, and the earth is flat. A company from Sweden with a Malta license and a very strange lotto website have the feelings, that a loophole in the Malta law, that declares players to outlaws, is not the reason to report a post.

    If i have no eye defect, then the the title of this tread is: "Morality of the industry" and not "A lady from Malta decides, what the interpretation of Morality of the industry" is.

    "And The reason was I felt you were derailing the thread"

    And because of feelings you are reporting posts behind the back of other members?
    Of course, you can do it. It's a legal function. But for many people reporting secretly a post because of feelings (=don't like the written words), this is not a sign of strength.

    "I am an active member on GPWA, as well as easily accessible via email [...] pm"

    I am too. Why you didn't contact me if you have a problem with a post or post a public statement instead of using a function, that it's used sometimes only in the dark?

    Tomorrow i have a phone Call with Anthony. He will explain me more. Directly and not behind my back. This is the difference.

    Have a nice day and feel free to report this post again.

    Leopold

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    I look forward to our call Leopold.
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    Although being very new to the affiliate end of the business, I have had many years in other aspects of the gaming industry and have never had a day where I think my involvement skewed my moral compass. I have never had an issue with a morality issue when adults are free to make their own choices. Quite often one's morality varies from another's and thats alright. But the very act of pushing one's belief on morality on another to me is in fact immoral. If something that you do is completely legal, than it's up to that individual's conscience if it is a morally sound practice, not the opinion of others. It's easy, do the mirror test. If you can look yourself in the mirror and honestly feel good at what looks back at you, you're probably ok. Common sense can go a long way to guiding a moral path, but its funny how common sense is generally not common at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramon View Post
    Common sense can go a long way to guiding a moral path, but its funny how common sense is generally not common at all.
    +1

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    Gambling won't disappear anytime soon and until that happens or until gambling is fully outlawed what else is a person to do.

    Gambling is everywhere and there isn't much wrong about it. People with gambling problems do need to be helped and informed where to get that help. Not providing this is unethical.

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    That's very true. Because some people have a drink addiction problem, doesn't necessarily mean that drinking is morally wrong. In the same way, an occasional flutter is fine with most people and gambling itself is not morally wrong (imho), as long as it doesn't get out of control...thats where the problems lie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voids View Post
    Hi guys, just wondering how people react when you tell them your job?

    Do you tell them?
    Do they find it interesting or morally wrong?
    How many people think you run your own bookmaker / online casino ?
    I'm not telling everybody about my gambling things. This has a variety of reasons and not especially because it's morally wrong. The people I do tell find it interesting. They wanna know more and some of them wants to start up a website too. Some of them did. Based on stories but not considering the work that is in it. Many think it's just placing some banners or are having the idea that it's investing some time and than after some days it is finished. It isn't. One of them started and stopped after a month. He hired some SEO-agency and was thinking that without making content, he was going to earn cash. He didn't make a single cent and he stopped after a month.

    Nobody thinks I am running an online casino. The concept of affiliate is quite well-known nowadays. If people think another thing, it's usually thinking that I do gamble and I do make money with that.

    Gambling is not morally wrong in my eyes. I do realize that some people cannot handle their gambling problems. But they can get help. Addiction is a part of people. All sort of people do get addicted to all sort of things: work, sex, alcohol, buying new stuff, etc. I do agree that rationally people should not gamble, but people are not Always rational and also are wanting to have adrenaline, excitement, entertainment, etc. Person A gambles too much, person B takes up a credit spends 100.000 euro on a car to improve his status... I don't see the big difference. Ofc person A should get help to control his gambling problem, but perhaps person B should also get help to learn to understand that taking up credits for improving status is not always a good idea.

    We are free to spend the money the way we want. Ok, sometimes people spent money on things and later regret it, but gambling is just such a small % of that. A lot of people do spend money on things and later regret it: a too expensive holiday, a Joe Average that met during the after office hours some big boobed blond golddigger, cars people cannot afford, houses people cannot afford, a bunch of clothes, Tobacco, etc.

    I think we better accept that instead of having some government that controls even the way we spend our money.

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    Just all about money

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    I've stopped telling people what i do, I've had mixed reactions including people being bothered that it's gambling and also people thinking it must be easy and trying to copy what i do. So now I keep it to myself. I'm an online marketer who does 'websites and SEO and stuff'.

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    I guess it depends who asks, when my old colleagues from a wed design agency i used to work for ask i just say that i am an affiliate for casino sites and other industries, when other people i don't know ask i usually say online marketing, only to avoid having to explain what SEO and affiliate marketing is and getting into a long conversation about it. If im in the pub and someone random starts chatting to me and asking me what i do ( this happens a lot) and just say "web stuff" as again here i cant be arsed getting into a long convo explaing what i do to someone i dont intend to form a friendship with or speak to ever again..if its just chit chat i say web stuff and move on to talk about the weather and stuff

    I dont have a problem with the morality of the industry it is what it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by RamsesCasino View Post
    Just all about money
    Yep. Nothing different than bankers, government workers, car dealers, real estate agents...

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    I think gambling is no different from drugs and it is devastating for the life of anyone who is involved.

    I am very upset with every gambler or junkie, but the truth is that there is huge demand and money only in selfdestructive areas of life. One can be only hustler or loser.

    I also despise gambling marketers who say that gambling is ok and it promoting gambling is the same as marketing for common goods. It is not. I do not care what anyone says to other folks around, but if there is an online affiliate who needs his own deep assurance that he is not doing something bad... I can not stand it. Gambling is bad/destructive, people do not want to do bad things, but life is not that simple.

    Promoting (bad) gambling is for me simply less wrong way of living than staying poor and bitching how cruel the life is, but it is a dead end. Delivering goods to bored people on their selfdestructive way.

    Other than analogy with drugs comes to my mind money lending. It is the same. Selling at high price some dream of happy life to weak people that can not bear the real life that is about hard work and where the hardest workers, who go against their own desires, win. So yes, I am involved in lendingclub as well

    I do not have a moral problem to do evil things, but I have a big problem with humanity as general. I simply can not stand common people, who bet 10 dollars and hope for huge win and talk about some idiotic stuff. Thank god for technologies and ability to live in many countries and not to be involved so much. I must admit that lurking stupid people to gambling or loans makes my mind cooler and therefore my hobby is not to be a serial killer or so: because I can see stupid people ruining themselves with stupid decisions and that is much more cruel than some kind of murder.
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