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[GamTrak]

Ditto...

However, I am not about to stop telling every one I can about the corruption at CAP...

I'm responding to YOUR post to ME in the CAP audit thread! Otherwise, I could care less about what you post or say.

EDIT: THIS will explain what's up to those that you want to lead to think that I'm just being rude out of the blue and YOU are the victim!

19th February 2009, 04:31 PM
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THIS crap is how LIES get started! I've not replaced anyone and I'd appreciate if you would stop posting bogus information relating to me!

Don't you mean "RUMORS" instead of "lies"?

News for you - It does appear to the casual observer that you have have filled a vacuum at CAP. The fact that lou publicly handed over the CAP forum to you, where in the past he would have turned it over to Dom... Leads everyone to figure your the new top mod at cap.

If what everyone believes is really not the case, don't you think a simple statement would have been sufficient?

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Originally Posted by GamTrak
And what benefit would that be RobWin? What am I getting out of my membership except a target on my back from folks like you, mojo and others?

Just so you know, I'm NOT on the CAP payroll and GamTrak LLC pays for all of my financial needs just fine thank you very much!

What target would that be?
I guess it is hard for people to believe that you would do a job that you seem to really hate and really not be suited to, for nothing.
Most people want money(or something else of value) when they do a job they hate.
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Guys, I just went and looked and I have not been removed, and my mod powers are fully intact.

I just have not been around and hence it makes sense to have someone else watch the board when Lou is not there.

Gamtrak and Bonusstreak have been mods there for some time.

Nothing has changed, other than that I am on a hiatus.

[Betpartners]

As opposed to the feeling you get from CAP?

Oh BTW - you really do need to list all the facts you know about this... Just so no one goes and discusses stuff YOU already know...

LOL they wont dont worry, you might though

[NLP-GOD]

Betpartners: I was just saying that I hope you are not getting stressed out from the thread. The thread was created for discovery of new facts. Shaun came in and said it was a worthless thread, you agreed. How were your posts or Shaun's (original) post "new information?", In fact your posts are about as guilty as the ones you're telling everyone not to make. You are the one posting with no new information chanting that we should all shut up and go away. You are derailing the threads you say always get derailed (CAP/EM) so they shouldn't be posted. If you don't want to discuss it, that's fine, but getting in the way of others to do so is kind of rude. Turning my thread into "whether we should have this thread or not" is not relevant to the original topic. No offense.

[lots0]

LOL they wont dont worry, you might though

a threat...

Ooooh I'm so not scared... LOL

Lou and Warren have thrown their best (or worst) at me for the last few years....

and I'm still standing.

Here is a fact for you... I blacklisted CAP long before this latest bit of dirt came to light.
See I have problem with anyone that shepherds new affs into known Rogue programs like CAP has been doing for years.

[Betpartners]

Betpartners: I was just saying that I hope you are not getting stressed out from the thread. The thread was created for discovery of new facts. Shaun came in and said it was a worthless thread, you agreed. How were your posts or Shaun's (original) post "new information?", In fact your posts are about as guilty as the ones you're telling everyone not to make. You are the one posting with no new information chanting that we should all shut up and go away. You are derailing the threads you say always get derailed (CAP/EM) so they shouldn't be posted. If you don't want to discuss it, that's fine, but getting in the way of others to do so is kind of rude. Turning my thread into "whether we should have this thread or not" is not relevant to the original topic. No offense.

No offense taken, you make a legitimate point.

Not stressed out at all, i was unaware that i gave that impression, i am content as a budgie to debate all this.

You accuse me of derailing the thread, under normal circumstances that would indeed me justified but in my opinion not in this case precisely because i am of the opinion that the original pretext behind the the thread was erroneous and i also genuinely mean no offence.

If anyone believes a thread is unjustified no matter the content then they should be free to say so.
o
But if you go back through the whole thread i hardly think me or Shaun are the only ones that can be accused of derailing the thread, both sides of this debate have many that can be accused of that.

And that's my point, every CAP thread gets derailed these days and some of them have nothing to do with me being involved,

I am sure if i put up a thread that said something like "what affiliate managers here have a positive experience with CAP"

You dont think that would get derailed, damn it would be a wreck.

[Betpartners]

a threat...

Ooooh I'm so not scared... LOL

Lou and Warren have thrown their best (or worst) at me for the last few years....

and I'm still standing.

Here is fact for you... I blacklisted CAP long before this latest bit of dirt came to light.
See I have problem with anyone that shepherds new affs into known Rogue programs like CAP has been doing for years.

Duh that was no threat, i was saying you might discuss what i know, others wont, please understand what i write

[GamTrak]

a threat...

Ooooh I'm so not scared... LOL

Lou and Warren have thrown their best (or worst) at me for the last few years....

and I'm still standing.

Here is a fact for you... I blacklisted CAP long before this latest bit of dirt came to light.
See I have problem with anyone that shepherds new affs into known Rogue programs like CAP has been doing for years.

How funny! The same has been done to GamTrak and I'm STILL standing as well. Example above showing the way you ASSUME stuff as fact due to your hatred of Lou and Warren.

[bb1web]

We NEED to air this CAP dirt out and then beat it like dirty rug, shake it out and then nail it to the wall for EVERYONE to see.

I think its done. I thought I was about the last to get off the ship. I can say from personal experience there weren't many left when I jumped.

These kind of things should bring our group together not tear them apart.

agreed. Yet we're seeing the opposite. This because there is a mix of those with agendas (deserving or not) with those truly seeking to find higher ground for sake of as someone mentioned .. an industry based on trust.

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Rather insulting to not only myself but I'd imagine anybody reading that you'd infer we're idiots that need to be reminded a 1000 times.

(that's not verbatim but I don't care to go back and find it)


I'm one of the worst at reiterating things (listen for the sigh of agreement from the crowd) and even I wouldn't have beat this dead horse for so long.

Why is it that we can expose SafeBet as being just a schill created by a bunch of RTG casinos and move on ... (anybody remember that? long time ago) but we must keep beating this drum. (safebet as an example of something addressed and moved on)

I think you could ask most in the industry at this point and they'd have at least heard of the issues.

I'm rather surprised you think these are niches within the niche because please tell me where is the big place? Surel I'd have heard of SB... whatever those initials were. Please spell it out.

Not seeking to fight with anybody as you can see i have seen merit in both sides of the argument and thus will likely be making everybody mad

[bb1web]

Bernie you might be better off starting a new thread. Very few that haven't already been following are going to wade thru a dozen pages trying to find what you originally were seeking to do.

I cannot offer a wiser approach than your original title. I am sorry for that.

[Betpartners]

I think its done. I thought I was about the last to get off the ship. I can say from personal experience there weren't many left when I jumped.



agreed. Yet we're seeing the opposite. This because there is a mix of those with agendas (deserving or not) with those truly seeking to find higher ground for sake of as someone mentioned .. an industry based on trust.

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Rather insulting to not only myself but I'd imagine anybody reading that you'd infer we're idiots that need to be reminded a 1000 times.

(that's not verbatim but I don't care to go back and find it)


I'm one of the worst at reiterating things (listen for the sigh of agreement from the crowd) and even I wouldn't have beat this dead horse for so long.

Why is it that we can expose SafeBet as being just a schill created by a bunch of RTG casinos and move on ... (anybody remember that? long time ago) but we must keep beating this drum. (safebet as an example of something addressed and moved on)

I think you could ask most in the industry at this point and they'd have at least heard of the issues.

I'm rather surprised you think these are niches within the niche because please tell me where is the big place? Surel I'd have heard of SB... whatever those initials were. Please spell it out.

Not seeking to fight with anybody as you can see i have seen merit in both sides of the argument and thus will likely be making everybody mad

Actually thought that was a good post, you oppose and back everyone at the same time hard to get mad at that.

Think only one part refered to me anyway, the niche part, but lost me, sorry

[lots0]

Duh that was no threat, i was saying you might discuss what i know, others wont, please understand what i write

Ahh your correct.
I am sorry, I mis-read your post the first time.

How funny! The same has been done to GamTrak and I'm STILL standing as well. Example above showing the way you ASSUME stuff as fact due to your hatred of Lou and Warren.

It's gonna be hard to honor your request not to talk to you when you are addressing me directly.

BTW - Please don't insinuate that you know my motives, you obviously don't have a clue.

[elgoog]

Guys and Robin....
I've been following this thread since it started, didn't post much, also because english is not my native...

i love drama, but this has gone outta hand i think...
is it because i dont understand english very well that i do not see any new/worthfull information?

Robin ...relax please girl....
Steven... keep going

[GamTrak]

It's gonna be hard to honor your request not to talk to you when you are addressing me directly.

BTW - Please don't insinuate that you know my motives, you obviously don't have a clue.

Wanted to show how YOU have motives as it relates to me. It's easy to see from your post that I copied above. You are not the victim so don't act like it.

[GamTrak]

Guys and Robin....
I've been following this thread since it started, didn't post much, also because english is not my native...

i love drama, but this has gone outta hand i think...
is it because i dont understand english very well that i do not see any new/worthfull information?

Robin ...relax please girl....
Steven... keep going

I agree elgoog, but I'm not going to sit by and let folks attack me just because they hate Lou and Warren. No one is forced to read this thread.

[lots0]

Rather insulting to not only myself but I'd imagine anybody reading that you'd infer we're idiots that need to be reminded a 1000 times.

Sorry you took it that way, that is not what I meant.

You know I would love to "Move on" but I don't see how when the problem still exists and still is big part of the business.

Has Lou stopped recruiting new affs?

Has CAP shut down?
or
Have I missed the news announcement that Lou and Warren are no longer going promote (certify) every single casino that pays them or sell player data bases or run aff programs in secret or not pay affs while all the time acting like they are an advocate for affiliates?

As I see it, there is no moving on till the real problem is dealt with.

[lots0]

Wanted to show how YOU have motives as it relates to me. It's easy to see from your post that I copied above. You are not the victim so don't act like it.

So do you want to talk to me or not?
Or
Do you just want to talk and not have me say anything... wait don't answer that.

Again, you don't have a clue... about me or my motives or what I've been through.

I would like the discussion to be about the issues and not about personal attacks. gametrack I have not once personally attacked you, yet you seem to have a real problem with me. All I would like is an open discussion with out all the personal stuff.. is that too much to ask?

[NLP-GOD]

Good idea Steve, the new "non-drama" version of the thread is here.

[giggles7p]

Well i have read through all of this and all of the other threads here on this subject and i must say, i am ashamed and stunned at how you all are treating each other? Aren't we all affiliates, on the same sides? this is our lively hood, we were at one time a big happy family, now, the family is splitting apart, and some are blaming it on CAP, but the people at cap that you have the problem with, lou and warren, haven't said a word in this thread, but yet everyone is being nasty to each other,??? why??

it makes no sense, for people who say they don't want any of the "crap" that cap does in thier lives, they sure are letting it run their lives for what i can see, do you really think you would be fighting with each other if you weren't discussing cap??

ALso, i have one problem, after all these posts, posts about how EM and Lou or whoever, owe many affiliates money, i have not seen ONE post in this thread from one of "the" affiliates that are actually owed the money?? where are they?? i mean if ANYONE should be throwing stones, it should be the ones owed the money..Not seeing anyone of them post AT ALL, makes me wonder if there are any??

[bb1web]

the niche part, but lost me, sorry

I was talking about CAP and GPWA. You'd said a lot of people in the industry had never heard of them. Then ( maybe it was someone else) made mention of some forum and gave initials ..

Just was curious where this place was that I'd not recognized the initials ... which you (or someone back a page or three) had thought (obviously) was bigger than the two afore mentioned forums in the gambling niche.

Wouldn't be the first time i stayed at a motel 6 when Holiday Inn was on the other side of the hill but if I had to bet .. .I'd bet these are the two most well-known (and until recent times would have added respected but I think that would be 50% incorrect nowadays).

This really for anybody: is there a bigger forum in the online gambling niche?

(and there's a $125 bonus to every positive post that claims GAP - uh ... I just checked finances and better make that $1.25 ) (insert smilie with empty wallet here)

[Betpartners]

I was talking about CAP and GPWA. You'd said a lot of people in the industry had never heard of them. Then ( maybe it was someone else) made mention of some forum and gave initials ..

Just was curious where this place was that I'd not recognized the initials ... which you (or someone back a page or three) had thought (obviously) was bigger than the two afore mentioned forums in the gambling niche.

Wouldn't be the first time i stayed at a motel 6 when Holiday Inn was on the other side of the hill but if I had to bet .. .I'd bet these are the two most well-known (and until recent times would have added respected but I think that would be 50% incorrect nowadays).

This really for anybody: is there a bigger forum in the online gambling niche?

(and there's a $125 bonus to every positive post that claims GAP - uh ... I just checked finances and better make that $1.25 ) (insert smilie with empty wallet here)

Yes that was all me, i was refering to Sportsbookreview and they act more for the punter in disputes, i never meant to say they were bigger, they are huge in their sector but not in affiliates etc.

I just wanted to show that this "thing" does not get the coverage some think.

But thats all beside the point now, i am dropping out of CAP discussions for now unless i need to respond to someone using a quote of mine or if something new comes about.

I am just as guilty as anyone for these endless debates about CAP, maybe if those that are fed up with this no longer respond then those that want to keep bringing it up will find they have no audience.

So unless provoked in to a response or there is something new i will no longer comment on CAP/EM anymore and allow those that want to create new threads to do so without me playing a part in them being derailed