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[wagerprofits]

Oh my god, i have just got back for a cracking weekend at the beach and i see that this thread has gone mental.

I have a few comments which i will make in the next couple of days.....


Enjoy the rest of your weekend, log off and open a nice red and enjoy the Oscars...


Shaun

[wagerprofits]

Jinnia

I promise 100% I will leave you alone after this post.

"Seals are to be 'earned', not 'paid' for"

This is not really the case you pay for GPWA, CAP, PAP, PAL,APCW the only seal that is 100% free and you are selected subject to your t&Cs being spot on is AGD. If people get any of the above for free I would love to know.

Everybody is in the game to make money.

Shaun

Yes, if they are 'paying' to be certified by anyone, they will be removed!!!

Seals are to be 'earned', not 'paid' for!



No damn word play here. Twist it into your way of thinking, that's anyones right to 'assume'! I ask, get an answer, then act upon the answer, period!!



Again!! Yes, IF proof can be shown they pay for any certification seal, they come off my site!!

Clear enough??

[lots0]

Jinnia

I promise 100% I will leave you alone after this post.

"Seals are to be 'earned', not 'paid' for"

This is not really the case you pay for GPWA, CAP, PAP, PAL,APCW the only seal that is 100% free and you are selected subject to your t&Cs being spot on is AGD. If people get any of the above for free I would love to know.

Everybody is in the game to make money.

Shaun

Hmmm... I don't know for a fact but i'm wiling to lay odds that cardspike didn't pay for their CAP seal...

[tomgalanis]

When I read the first post in this thread, my initial thoughts were:

a) I can see why this has been written.
b) I understand why it is important for some/most affiliates to be able to draw a line in between those programs who pay to be certified on CAP and those who employ its parent company for some additional form of service.

Having read 17 pages of fairly repetitive banter between a group of affiliates and one unlucky affiliate manager (did all that really need to be said?!), I have this to say:

bet365 pays to be "certified" on CAP, PAP, GPWA and PAL. We do this because we see each community as having the ability to offer us the opportunity to enter in to and constructively manage relationships with existing and prospective affiliate partners. Furthermore, we feel sponsorship/certification provides us with sufficient incentive to warrant what is essentially an advertising cost.

We carry the PAP, CAP and GPWA logos on our affiliate website. These are simply here to inform affiliates that we have a presence and are active on these forums. That is all. We do not believe that these 'seals' carry any significant credence. At the same time, I personally do not believe that our decision to place these logos on our sites should be met with negativity. Of course, bet365 wants to be working with every reputable website out there, but if this is enough to put an affiliate off working with us, then that is their choice and so be it. If their case is purely down to ethics, then I won't be challenging their beliefs.

So to get to the point of the post: bet365 pays Affiliate Media Inc every quarter to be Certified. This includes a forum listing and ROS banners. We have a very similar deal with GPWA. We have deals in place with iGaming Business to advertise in CAP Magazine and at CAP conferences.

What is not included in either of these deals is the effort that the bet365 team puts in to making the most from these advertising costs. It is both significant and essential. We feel that each forum we are listed on is worth dedicating time and attention to because we feel that it is the affiliates who run them - NOT parent companies or operators. So whilst this continues to be the case - and I understand how recent events may have clouded this - we will continue our activity on CAP, GPWA, PAP and PAL.

And give Shaun a break - the poor guy has just quit smoking!

[arkyt]

bet365 pays to be "certified" on CAP, PAP, GPWA and PAL.

At the same time, I personally do not believe that our decision to place these logos on our sites should be met with negativity.

So you should be able to "pay for a certification" and no one should have any issues at all with that?

[casinojack]

Yeah I think people miss this point.

I don't know of any free certification. Driver license ? Paid for, but took test

I think most of these programs require T&C compliance, paying aff's etc. So yes, you pay for the right, but I would like to say, is not really for sale. Yous till have responsibilities.

In my case, as a new guy ready to launch soon, we are working with several forums on terms, conditions,and have had a lot of good input. I agree with transparency, but what I paid is my business...as their is a lot of negotiating. I would say, My deal is 100% quarterly payments, period. No rev share deals etc.

I have been silent as we are new, and like some of the above, as a business owner I see these forums as a place to gain more business, and an advertising /communication venue.

Interesting thread, and I know if I was owed money by someone I would probaly do the same thing, but don't punish the innocent to punish the guilty.

[wagerprofits]

I have just been told the rocket has been lit and the fireworks are about to commence.....


Shaun

[giggles7p]

Me Too! saw it and can't believe it!

I guess it has been taken down over at CAP

[wagerprofits]

Well i have just had an email that i think the entire CAP data base has been sent showing all 10 points on the post.....

Guess I can post it.

Shaun

[wagerprofits]

OKAY I WANT TO STATE SOMETHING STRAIGHT AWAY BY POSTING WHAT I AM ABOUT TO POST DOES NOT MEAN I SUPPORT EITHER SIDE, THIS IS EMAIL WAS SENT TO ME AND I AM SURE IT WAS SENT TO MANY OTHER PEOPLE.

SO ONCE AGAIN BY POSTING THIS EMAIL NEITHER MYSELF OR MY COMPANY ARE SHOWING SUPPORT TO EITHER SIDE.


Dear Certified Partners and CAP Members

It is with my deepest regret that I must send the following information today as a warning to anyone contemplating working with Warren Jolly or who has been a certified partner of CAP. Please read the letter I received below my statement so you understand why I feel forced to act now. Prior to reading that let me state:

1. I am the founder of CAP and majority shareholder in Affiliate Media Inc.
I owned CasinoAffiliatePrograms.com long before I ever met Warren Jolly.

2. When House Winnings failed as a master affiliate for Tradal I was approached by Warren Jolly and his partner at House Winnings and asked if I would allow them to help monetize CAP and handle sales. Prior to that we did NOT charge a fee for programs to be listed at CAP so there was little revenue coming in, but that wasnt my focus in creating this community.

3. Once I agreed to help out Warren and his partner, who were only 18th at the time and had no prior experience or degree, we formed Affiliate Programs Inc. which later became Affiliate Media Inc.

4. Warren Jolly was given a minority shareholder position and seat on the new company board. His task was to increase reveneus at CAP and join in the growth of that venture.

5. During the first few years with the new company Warren performed admirably and acted as a real asset to us and our industry. Unfortunately as time went on he become bolder and lesss receptive to any input regarding sales or operation of our retail division.

6. He has repeatedly boosted the certifications fees far beyond any level he was authorized too. I had asked that a maximum increase of 20% per year be honored and he agreed verbally then went on to charge whatever he felt the client would bear. This damaged many relationships we have or had with our certified partners. He stressed that we had every right to charge whatever he could get and to stay out of sales. I bit my lip and went on focusing on the things I enjoyed which were the community and member relations.

7. Last year Warren told me he wanted to open a poker room. I was opposed to the idea but he went ahead and signed a contract with a provider under a false name and informed me after the fact we were now in the poker business.
He asked if I would manage the project and also handle a legitmate client that wanted to re-enter the casino business. I was hesitant, but was backed into a corner as we couldnt do these sort of things under the Affiliate Media banner as it would be a conflict of interest with what CAP did. That is why we formed Effective Media Group. I didnt see any workable alternative so I went along with Warren yet again. For this I owe everyone an apology.
I should have put my foot down then and I didnt.

8. Moving forward its my intention to regain control of my comapny and to have Warren Jolly removed from any managemnt position within our company or restricted from doing any further damage to CAP or Affiliate Media Inc. When that occurs I will lower all certification fees to a more reasonable level and work towards repairing any damaged relationships we have with our present and former certified partners.

9. The staff at Affiliate Media is top notch and I do intend to retain everyone in their current postions. The only change I am seeking is to remove Warren Jolly from day to day management of our California Offices as I believe he has been mismanaging our affairs and has most likely been syphoning monies off without the knowledge of myslef or the other shareholder.

10. The event team and the publishing arm of CAP are also top notch performers and will be retained and remain unchanged.

10. Please read what I receievd via email today which has promted this action. Over the weekend Warren removed me from his skype contacts and phone mail and last week I was informed he was hiring an Admin named Greg to replace "The Professor" in managing the community and our forums so I have to act now to prevent this rogue from effectively stealing my own company:

From: Gambling Ananymous [mailto:gamblinganomynous@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 2:32 PM
To: editor@casinoaffiliateprograms.com
Subject: Warren Jolly

Hello Lou,

I speak on behalf of many here - we as a group of affiliate managers are disatisfied with your business partner's actions over the past number of years and we hope to see you stand your ground and continue managing cap.

You should be aware that he's been taking money from a number of affiliate programs, for 'consutling services' and puting it into several of his personal/company bank accounts. We can provide more information if need be to assist you with your case.

We thought you should also know that your 'so-called' partner is going to announce stepping down from Effective Media this week, and he's going to put the blame on the past months events on to you, including the cardspike fiasco.

The bottom line is that we will not allow warren to take over the cap business affairs.

[GamTrak]

I have just been told the rocket has been lit and the fireworks are about to commence.....


Shaun

Well looks like we will get the answers now.

[Betpartners]

OKAY I WANT TO STATE SOMETHING STRAIGHT AWAY BY POSTING WHAT I AM ABOUT TO POST DOES NOT MEAN I SUPPORT EITHER SIDE, THIS IS EMAIL WAS SENT TO ME AND I AM SURE IT WAS SENT TO MANY OTHER PEOPLE.

SO ONCE AGAIN BY POSTING THIS EMAIL NEITHER MYSELF OR MY COMPANY ARE SHOWING SUPPORT TO EITHER SIDE.


Dear Certified Partners and CAP Members

It is with my deepest regret that I must send the following information today as a warning to anyone contemplating working with Warren Jolly or who has been a certified partner of CAP. Please read the letter I received below my statement so you understand why I feel forced to act now. Prior to reading that let me state:

1. I am the founder of CAP and majority shareholder in Affiliate Media Inc.
I owned CasinoAffiliatePrograms.com long before I ever met Warren Jolly.

2. When House Winnings failed as a master affiliate for Tradal I was approached by Warren Jolly and his partner at House Winnings and asked if I would allow them to help monetize CAP and handle sales. Prior to that we did NOT charge a fee for programs to be listed at CAP so there was little revenue coming in, but that wasnt my focus in creating this community.

3. Once I agreed to help out Warren and his partner, who were only 18th at the time and had no prior experience or degree, we formed Affiliate Programs Inc. which later became Affiliate Media Inc.

4. Warren Jolly was given a minority shareholder position and seat on the new company board. His task was to increase reveneus at CAP and join in the growth of that venture.

5. During the first few years with the new company Warren performed admirably and acted as a real asset to us and our industry. Unfortunately as time went on he become bolder and lesss receptive to any input regarding sales or operation of our retail division.

6. He has repeatedly boosted the certifications fees far beyond any level he was authorized too. I had asked that a maximum increase of 20% per year be honored and he agreed verbally then went on to charge whatever he felt the client would bear. This damaged many relationships we have or had with our certified partners. He stressed that we had every right to charge whatever he could get and to stay out of sales. I bit my lip and went on focusing on the things I enjoyed which were the community and member relations.

7. Last year Warren told me he wanted to open a poker room. I was opposed to the idea but he went ahead and signed a contract with a provider under a false name and informed me after the fact we were now in the poker business.
He asked if I would manage the project and also handle a legitmate client that wanted to re-enter the casino business. I was hesitant, but was backed into a corner as we couldnt do these sort of things under the Affiliate Media banner as it would be a conflict of interest with what CAP did. That is why we formed Effective Media Group. I didnt see any workable alternative so I went along with Warren yet again. For this I owe everyone an apology.
I should have put my foot down then and I didnt.

8. Moving forward its my intention to regain control of my comapny and to have Warren Jolly removed from any managemnt position within our company or restricted from doing any further damage to CAP or Affiliate Media Inc. When that occurs I will lower all certification fees to a more reasonable level and work towards repairing any damaged relationships we have with our present and former certified partners.

9. The staff at Affiliate Media is top notch and I do intend to retain everyone in their current postions. The only change I am seeking is to remove Warren Jolly from day to day management of our California Offices as I believe he has been mismanaging our affairs and has most likely been syphoning monies off without the knowledge of myslef or the other shareholder.

10. The event team and the publishing arm of CAP are also top notch performers and will be retained and remain unchanged.

10. Please read what I receievd via email today which has promted this action. Over the weekend Warren removed me from his skype contacts and phone mail and last week I was informed he was hiring an Admin named Greg to replace "The Professor" in managing the community and our forums so I have to act now to prevent this rogue from effectively stealing my own company:

From: Gambling Ananymous [mailto:gamblinganomynous@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 2:32 PM
To: editor@casinoaffiliateprograms.com
Subject: Warren Jolly

Hello Lou,

I speak on behalf of many here - we as a group of affiliate managers are disatisfied with your business partner's actions over the past number of years and we hope to see you stand your ground and continue managing cap.

You should be aware that he's been taking money from a number of affiliate programs, for 'consutling services' and puting it into several of his personal/company bank accounts. We can provide more information if need be to assist you with your case.

We thought you should also know that your 'so-called' partner is going to announce stepping down from Effective Media this week, and he's going to put the blame on the past months events on to you, including the cardspike fiasco.

The bottom line is that we will not allow warren to take over the cap business affairs.

WOW now that is what i call new news, this is really going to be an eye opener,

[Jinnia]

Jinnia

I promise 100% I will leave you alone after this post.

"Seals are to be 'earned', not 'paid' for"

This is not really the case you pay for GPWA, CAP, PAP, PAL,APCW the only seal that is 100% free and you are selected subject to your t&Cs being spot on is AGD. If people get any of the above for free I would love to know.

Everybody is in the game to make money.

Shaun

You don't have to leave me alone, but that's your choice.

Thank you for stating GPWA, APCW, PAP, PAL also charges for the seal(s).
I now know!!

Yes, money is the name of the game, for the majority, but not for me. It's good if I make a little, but also ok if I don't. I absolutely refuse to let money turn me into a greedy person!

[arkyt]

I think most of these programs require T&C compliance, paying aff's etc. So yes, you pay for the right, but I would like to say, is not really for sale. Yous till have responsibilities.

You would think that would be the case, but CAP gave out certifications for years before they actually tried to put up requirements. Basically the only requirement was you had to "pay to play" - those were Lous own words on more than one occassion.

[tomgalanis]

So you should be able to "pay for a certification" and no one should have any issues at all with that?

I'm not stopping anyone having issues with that. I'd rather get it for free. If there was that option, it would certainly warrant the title 'certification'. I much prefer the way GPWA do it - labelling it 'sponsorship'. Both are currently exactly the same in my eyes.

Just picking up on the email chain this morning. Could be an interesting day....