Programs that are terrible for you?

[webanalysissolutions]

Your certainly right. A lot of people are moving away from the bigger names. They just do not convert as well as some of the emerging brands. You should take a look over our affiliate program. We are changing systems next month, so it may be a good time to sign up.

Parts of your website do not work - http://bgobuddies.com/about-us

Also you're not a sports brand are you? You're a bingo brand. The post you replied to I think was referring to a sportsbook.

From experience, new emerging brands are very difficult to convert. Customers just don't trust brands until they've built a good amount of brand exposure through other channels such as TV.

[BGO_Chris]

Parts of your website do not work - http://bgobuddies.com/about-us

Also you're not a sports brand are you? You're a bingo brand.

I think IT are currently poking around with a few things pre-migration, so a few pages may be unavailable whilst the changes are made, please bare with us! We are actually more focused on Casino/Vegas than bingo, although we have a big history with bingo products. You should check out our site - www.bgo.com. And yes, the post was on sportsbooks, but the thread is on programs in general. Excuse the confusion .

If you have any more questions feel free to ask

[-Shay-]

Your certainly right. A lot of people are moving away from the bigger names. They just do not convert as well as some of the emerging brands. You should take a look over our affiliate program. We are changing systems next month, so it may be a good time to sign up.

Currently we are using our own in-house software which is good, but doesn't allow us to really delve into an affiliates activity or handle sub-id tracking. These two things will be added with the new system. We are also looking at introducing mobile tracking that will be completely unique to the industry, in an effort to adapt to the increased amount of "third screen" players. I cannot go into to much detail as we are working out some of the finer points but it will hopefully compliment our already successful affiliate program.

Chris, no disrespect intended but if you reference changes in your program in an attempt to persuade someone to check you out, you should be prepared to talk about ALL of the changes and all of the details.

[BGO_Chris]

Parts of your website do not work - http://bgobuddies.com/about-us

Also you're not a sports brand are you? You're a bingo brand.

Our IT guys are currently working on a few things prior to migration, so some pages may be unavailable at the moment - Please bare with us!

In regards to the post, yes I agree it was referring to sports books, however the thread is about programs in general - Excuse the confusion. And we are actually more of a Casino/Vegas brand than bingo, although we do have a long history with bingo. You should check us out - www.bgo.com.

From experience, new emerging brands are very difficult to convert. Customers just don't trust brands until they've built a good amount of brand exposure through other channels such as TV.

We are currently running extensive TV campaigns, with Verne Troyer! (Mini me)

[Roulette Zeitung]

BGO_Chris: https://www.gpwa.org/member/bgo_chris

BIOGRAPHY
Ex-affiliate

Leopold

[-Shay-]

Your certainly right. A lot of people are moving away from the bigger names. They just do not convert as well as some of the emerging brands. You should take a look over our affiliate program. We are changing systems next month, so it may be a good time to sign up.

Currently we are using our own in-house software which is good, but doesn't allow us to really delve into an affiliates activity or handle sub-id tracking. These two things will be added with the new system. We are also looking at introducing mobile tracking that will be completely unique to the industry, in an effort to adapt to the increased amount of "third screen" players. I cannot go into to much detail as we are working out some of the finer points but it will hopefully compliment our already successful affiliate program.

Chris, no disrespect intended but if you reference changes in your program in an attempt to persuade someone to check you out, you should be prepared to talk about ALL of the changes and all of the details.

More to the point, I'm interested in knowing the following, Chris :

1. What is being done to bring the payment date stated in your program's terms and conditions together with the reality of when you pay?
(hint: Your terms state you pay by the 15th but you religiously pay by the 28th).

2. What exactly is being done to address your program's poor conversion rate of signups to real money players?

I also suspect that the rest of us might be interested in knowing about all the changes you referenced, as you tried to coax someone into checking your program out with the vague selling point of changes. If it was a serious talking point, you really need to list everything. If it was just front talk designed simply to hear yourself speak - then we'll take it for what its worth.

[webanalysissolutions]

you tried to coax someone into checking your program out with the vague selling point of changes.

Amateur advertisers need to realise that they need to sell their programs well to affiliates and not just put our spammy messages on forums and spammy emails to people.

As suspected, new unknown brand, won't convert, yet an advertiser will feed you all they can to convince you it will.

[webanalysissolutions]

BGO_Chris: https://www.gpwa.org/member/bgo_chris
BIOGRAPHY
Ex-affiliate

Slight diversion off topic, but....

If I went from being an affiliate to an advertiser I'd certainly be able to do 100x more than advertisers do at the moment to attract affiliates. Rather than cast the net wide and try to recruit as many affiliates as possible, as an ex-affiliate you should understand the industry and know what makes affiliates click.

This is where advertisers are inefficient - many do not understand the industry from an affiliate point of view (or are driven by their employers by false performance targets such as number of affiliate registrations). For example, how many times have you been contacted by an advertiser and all it seems they want is for you to sign up, and put a banner on the top of your homepage without working with you on what will actually work? They then disappear and ignore communications when you try to work with them.

[-Shay-]

Slight diversion off topic, but....

If I went from being an affiliate to an advertiser I'd certainly be able to do 100x more than advertisers do at the moment to attract affiliates. Rather than cast the net wide and try to recruit as many affiliates as possible, as an ex-affiliate you should understand the industry and know what makes affiliates click.

This is where advertisers are inefficient - many do not understand the industry from an affiliate point of view (or are driven by their employers by false performance targets such as number of affiliate registrations). For example, how many times have you been contacted by an advertiser and all it seems they want is for you to sign up, and put a banner on the top of your homepage without working with you on what will actually work? They then disappear and ignore communications when you try to work with them.

We're dealing with exactly that right now. We're also still deleting emails from our spam box sent to emails listed on our whois listings for some of the sites we own by our new affiliate manager wanting to do business with us and wanting exposure and not realizing that they're already doing business with us and already listed on the sites they're contacting us about.

[webanalysissolutions]

We're dealing with exactly that right now. We're also still deleting emails from our spam box sent to emails listed on our whois listings for some of the sites we own by our new affiliate manager wanting to do business with us and wanting exposure and not realizing that they're already doing business with us and already listed on the sites they're contacting us about.

It is amazing how many times you get an email from an advertiser you've already been working with for 10 years! You get the feeling some fresh faced new affiliate person has joined the team and has gone onto Google and has started emailing the top 50 sites that come up in a search. When I get emails like this it almost makes me want to remove the advertiser for being so complacent and lazy.

[Roulette Zeitung]

Slight diversion off topic

If my 2 word (!) quoting is "off topic" then I have to ask, what your 147 word comment, based on my 2 word quote, should be?!

If I am honest, I quoted the biography to let the audience think twice. Your comment is the result of it. So it's very funny, if you say it's "off topic", because you refer on it and in a general negative thread like this one ("Programs ... terrible") nothing can be "off-topic" anymore. On the contrary: You have to sent me for my pains 4 traditional cake recipes. I need new ones!

My opinion is, that an entry "Ex-Affiliate" in a biography is an unfortunate choice, because I personally will learn from winners.

There are so many wonderful affiliate manager around, who deserve more money. It's really a hard job. They must be able to withstand screaming or stupid webmasters (Oh yes, they exist!), must listen to the never ending droning buzz one the phone, answer the same questions on Skype again and again, and at the end they will be insulted and give up hope.

The few criminal ones are destroying the reputation of all.

Many AM are educated, have common sense and empathy, but there is no doubt, that a webmaster can earn more than an AM.

Of course, there can be good reasons to change from Affiliate to AM, but from an outsider's perspective, without having bad feelings, it raises questions.

I'll take a look in this thread again next week or so.

Leopold

[webanalysissolutions]

If my 2 word (!) quoting is "off topic" then I have to ask, what your 147 word comment, based on my 2 word quote, should be?!

If I am honest, I quoted the biography to let the audience think twice. Your comment is the result of it. So it's very funny, if you say it's "off topic", because you refer on it and in a general negative thread like this one ("Programs ... terrible") nothing can be "off-topic" anymore. On the contrary: You have to sent me for my pains 4 traditional cake recipes. I need new ones!

My opinion is, that an entry "Ex-Affiliate" in a biography is an unfortunate choice, because I personally will learn from winners.

There are so many wonderful affiliate manager around, who deserve more money. It's really a hard job. They must be able to withstand screaming or stupid webmasters (Oh yes, they exist!), must listen to the never ending droning buzz one the phone, answer the same questions on Skype again and again, and at the end they will be insulted and give up hope.

The few criminal ones are destroying the reputation of all.

Many AM are educated, have common sense and empathy, but there is no doubt, that a webmaster can earn more than an AM.

Of course, there can be good reasons to change from Affiliate to AM, but from an outsider's perspective, without having bad feelings, it raises questions.

I'll take a look in this thread again next week or so.

Leopold

You read my post incorrectly. I didn't infer YOU were going off topic, I introduced my own post to say that I was going slightly off topic (and opening up a separate debate about what I would expect of an ex-affiliate who has crossed over to the advertising side i.e. I would expect them to be more professional and knowledgable than to post a short vague message of a forum saying "check us out").

Lost in translation?

[iGamingWriter]

It is amazing how many times you get an email from an advertiser you've already been working with for 10 years! You get the feeling some fresh faced new affiliate person has joined the team and has gone onto Google and has started emailing the top 50 sites that come up in a search. When I get emails like this it almost makes me want to remove the advertiser for being so complacent and lazy.

I've got to agree - this is really annoying. It's also very frustrating having the same programs come back time and time again when I've told them what they'd need to do and they haven't done anything, simply waited 6 months then asked the same questions again.

And recently I've been getting loads of generic emails from affiliate programs I'm not working with with subject lines like 'Changes to your account' and just an advert for what rev share they'll offer inside. Those generic emails really get through to me

[universal4]

Nothing wrong with affiliate management that are former affiliates, so the point is moot anyway.

With this upcoming change, will that also mean link changes?

Will all players and sub-affiliate relationships be preserved during the migration to new software?

With a change coming down the pike within a month or so, especially if it also means link changes, new affiliates are usually better served by waiting the month or so to join.

Rick
Universal4

[sweetbet]

Affactive is almost always negative.

[ocreditor]

Well at least its active...

I also have few programs which I'm a member for years and never seen a single player register, such as SlotLand.
They are old as this industry and until today haven't seen a single $ coming from their direction... strange... maybe not actually

[casinoplanet]

I've often wonder why a program converts or not for me and still don't have a clue. While casino A works like a charm and is profitable every month, casino B, offering the same games and promotions and having an equal reputation, never earned me a single dime.

[Roulette Zeitung]

You read my post incorrectly. I didn't infer YOU were going off topic, I introduced my own post to say that I was going slightly off topic (and opening up a separate debate about what I would expect of an ex-affiliate who has crossed over to the advertising side i.e. I would expect them to be more professional and knowledgable than to post a short vague message of a forum saying "check us out").

Lost in translation?

Oh ... Obviously it was an unfortunate misunderstanding. We both refer to the same quintessence.

And Shay.

Chris, you went quiet once questions started being asked. What gives?

Chris edited his biography (https://www.gpwa.org/member/bgo_chris):

BIOGRAPHY
Currently an affiliate manager for bgoBuddies.com & Ignitebingo.com.

It would be a pity if he stops to voice his concerns.

Leopold

[SkintAffiliate]

32Red is the worst I have promoted so far as far as depositing players are concerned. The account is in the minuses constantly. Its about -£450 9 days into the new month. Last month it was -£750. Of 90 players only 3 have ever been in the pluses! Im about to terminate any further promotions.

[xecutable]

I've often wonder why a program converts or not for me and still don't have a clue. While casino A works like a charm and is profitable every month, casino B, offering the same games and promotions and having an equal reputation, never earned me a single dime.

Could be a lot of things. I wonder the same about sports programs. Im guessing brand recognition and traffic location, plus traffic entrance words all have to do with it.

Of course there's the brand's landing pages, time of the year etc etc. The truth is somewhere in between I would think. I know affiliates like to blame brands entirely and brands like to blame affiliate's traffic entirely, but things are never just black of white.

And instead of trying to solve this riddle, you just stick to what works for you. That being said and with a chance to upset a lot of people, basically anything based in Israel, has performed terrible for me. *Wink* *wink* you know who you are!