Skybet changes terms to steal from affiliates

[SocialBetting]

If anyone is having trouble getting the five players each month I can help get you the number of players you need each month. You can pm me for details

[SocialBetting]

Cant reply to the pms until I have 10 posts but am nearly there now so will reply asap

[SimonTheSorcerer]

Almost made a mistake of signing up with them. My application is currently being reviewed.

But I think I'll pass.

Cheers

My application is under reviews since April.... Thank god they suck more ways than one, otherwise they would have scammed me too.

[Syndicate]

I don't believe you should let anyone just walk over you. I for one have litigated against governments, gaming authorities and bookmakers in seven different jurisdictions, with my strong favorite being Germany. Their is simply one rule before proceeding, and that's to have an original copy of the contract and understand whether you have a case or not. Afterall, ''say so'' would never be enough to satisfy any court. The facts need to be well documented and you should be prepared to fight dirty. Get others behind you, feed the press (if interested), do your exploration and be careful not to slander.

I don't know what school you guys went to, but i know in mine when they shouted fight - we dived in and didn't run away!


In any case, it's not just about the money - Principal means more to me!

[TheGooner]

I for one have litigated against governments, gaming authorities and bookmakers in seven different jurisdictions

That's big talk ... and very relevant to discussions.
Where have you been hiding during the first 13 pages of the discussions?


I've never heard of a successful court action against bookmakers contracts anywhere ... and I searched quite hard .. but only online.
Care to lay out the broad details of your previous bookmaker cases ?
- which causes were successful ?
- which causes where not ?
- what made the difference? Was it Jurisdiction? Quality of documentation? Specifics of case?

[Syndicate]

That's big talk ... and very relevant to discussions.
Where have you been hiding during the first 13 pages of the discussions?


I've never heard of a successful court action against bookmakers contracts anywhere ... and I searched quite hard .. but only online.
Care to lay out the broad details of your previous bookmaker cases ?
- which causes were successful ?
- which causes where not ?
- what made the difference? Was it Jurisdiction? Quality of documentation? Specifics of case?

Sure i can elaborate:

Like you (Gooner) were one of the first successful betting affiliates, i was the very first to get betting licenses (on behalf of clients) in Gibraltar and Malta. I was also the youngest person ever (at the time) to get a betting license for myself in the UK . My business as led to me advising start-ups who went on to ''float'' successfully on the stock exchange. Structuring and solution finding. I've been involved in well known acquisitions and sales. I continue to consul for one of the biggest law firms in this space. I am part owner of a company which supplies data to one of Europe's leading bookmakers. And, like the name suggests, i'm very much involved involved in betting syndicates.

If you look at my user name, i've only posted 57 times in 14 months. The main reason for that is the time element, and non relevant (to me) topics.

With regards to courts/jurisdictions. I've been very much involved with keeping betting shops (agents) open in Germany and other EU countries. With licensing authorities, it's been a case of arbitration when they tried to move the goal posts (disadvantaging licensees). And, with Bookmakers i have pursued them for non payment of monies owed to me and my betting partner (+ a few others who asked for assistance) - Everyone paid.

I would like to believe all causes have been successful, because things are still functioning like they should, and all monies were paid.

With regards to the quality of documentation. Professional organizations usually have most angles covered. I can certainly understand were you are coming from with asking that question - And, it's why i mentioned that the contract (terms and conditions) needs to be studied to understand if their is a case against Skybet.

Of course we have to accept that you can't go to war with tomatoes, if your opponent has live ammunition. Again, i totally understood your stand on suggesting its better to get on with life (in so many words). Nevertheless, whilst their are logistic issues for most people, a reluctance to enter into any sort of litigation, and costs involved . I would like to say that if you let someone steal your dinner once, they will take your dessert the next time. What follows is others come along and take away the rest of your meal, and that's really the part we don't like!

I guess the word i'm looking for is setting a ''precedence''. Whilst companies like Betfair renigged on the exchange user through the introduction of the premium charge, their was little to stop them. Afterall, it was a business decision and a change in direction, so it's lawful. However, this is a totally different situation!

In any case, i see advantages and disadvantages in pursuing Skybet through the mass.

With regards to an individual case - it would probably be easier to get their decision reversed, or work out some compromise. However, with the mass the fight is different, and it could be easier to lower their colors through publicity or indeed shaming them.

Whilst bookmakers tend to have thick skins, i would aim to attack the broad side through the ''holding company'' , GM and other directors. Have a proper article written, and let it go viral through the social networks. Contact the press and discuss this illegal or immoral activity. And, tell the world that bookmakers work on trust, and without it they are nothing.


Anyway, that's my ten bobs worth for now or ten cents if you prefer!

[JackTenSuited]

Here it says http://www.skybet.com/affiliatehub/faqs.shtm - no negative carryover
But on logging in to my account and going to 'My Account' > 'Program Commission Structures' it says 'Calculate Negative Commission : Yes'

Is this another delightful new addition or as I misreading what 'Calculate Negative Commission : Yes' means

[Syndicate]

JackTenSuited - Would you have a copy of the original contract when you signed up (or anyone else)? -- This is an updated version ''effective 1 November 2015 (“Effective Date”)'' and the legality could be challenged if the original contract didn't allow for such !

[xecutable]

I've been signed up for years, perhaps more than 4 and there has always been a negative carryover. I specifically remember, cause in the beginning I couldn't cover the minimum payout for a bank transfer, due to negative months, eating up the $ once they had reached the minimum threshold.

[NickyV]

i'm with them before they used income access (also before may/june 2011) didn't had any negative carryovers ever.
once in old software i was > £5000 negative in one month, in income access 7 times, just looked right now, but it was reseted on the 1st in the next one..
so, i'm working with them for sure more than 5 or 6 years, brought them x players.. now in the real life i can't reach those 6 players to get more as 5%.
it was may favorite affiliate program, now they drop us all.
"Calculate Negative Commission : Yes" is new in mine account too since "11/1/2015".

i'm giving up..

[colin3005]

Can't believe I'm going to say anything good about sky, but is that not just saying its calculated monthly, not actually meaning its carried over for the next month. I haven't ever had a negative balance carried forward from Sky.
I know Matt reads this thread, maybe he could clarify?

[MattPrice]

is that not just saying its calculated monthly, not actually meaning its carried over for the next month.

This is correct.

[casinopowerguide]

I am quite pissed off about this too. The affiliate managers are extremely polite but basically got back to me saying tough ****, in a polite way with no room for us to manoeuvre. They have always been so good to work with, I know its not the fault of the aff managers but still, quite a shocking way to treat affiliates. Changing the affiliate commission percentage is downright predatory. I have sent them some big players, and their bingo bonus is quite difficult to sell, so they have been removed from prime positions and are just in the general list of sites. Looks like they want to get rid of affiliates altogether. Another one that did the same last month was BGO Bingo, changed their terms in the same way. Stopped promoting them too, I just hope this is not a new trend.

[Madz]

Yeah Im focusing my attention on my other affiliates now but it means starting again. Sky have been my main earner. The 5% rule is a joke. Until you reach the 6 depositors you are being deducted the full amount of all players winnings and yet you are only getting 5% of losses. So unfair it's untrue.

[Madz]

Found this from Dec 2014 after the sale - 5 December 2014, 10:07 am

#11

MattPrice
Non-sponsor Affiliate Program

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Originally Posted by Gamer
I'm just curious whether they are going to change any affilaite t&c after this deal.
I considered being affiliate of them.
Now have to wait?? What do you think?



It's business as usual for us and all our affiliates and there's no changes being made to the affiliate programme as a result of the sale. The only real change is that it gives us the best of both worlds: we're keeping the Sky brand name, while getting the benefits of being more independent.

[Madz]

Took 10 months to change the terms

[colin3005]

Yeah Im focusing my attention on my other affiliates now but it means starting again. Sky have been my main earner. The 5% rule is a joke. Until you reach the 6 depositors you are being deducted the full amount of all players winnings and yet you are only getting 5% of losses. So unfair it's untrue.

Are you sure about that? I'll have to double check my account but I'm sure when I checked it was only showing 5% both ways.

EDIT: from one of my customers....I'm only getting 5% of negative

Deposits £ 605.00
Bonus £-55.00
Gross Revenue £-98.98
Net Revenue £-153.98
Total Commission £-7.70

[thebookiesoffers]

Ok, so I've sent an email to skybet telling them I accept the new terms for customers signed up from 1st November 2015, but expect customers signed before that date to be paid at the 25% as specified in the contract at the time and have specifically stated I do not want the relationship terminated. If it isn't done then I will consider it a breach of contract and will take action.

how is this moving now buddy?

[Pokerworx]

A fair number would be 1 rmp. Can we all email them together to try get them to change it? Month 1 they took about $500 same last month this month is looking like $1000+. There making bank with this change.

[JackTenSuited]

A fair number would be 1 rmp. Can we all email them together to try get them to change it? Month 1 they took about $500 same last month this month is looking like $1000+. There making bank with this change.

You've just shown why they won't change it!

They don't care about us as has been displayed over and over with their refusal to budge an inch on anything.