Warning on Playshare Stats - Please Read

[Anthony]

APCW did an audit of PlayShare and everything tracked correctly.

[mojo]

APCW did an audit of PlayShare and everything tracked correctly.

Thank you Anthony.

To expand on this, the APCW audit was in January. Directly after my last struggle with Playshare and the London Conference.

Playshare has stated the this problem started in July.

Here is the link to the APCW Audit.

Hence the post I started:

The importance of testing your Affiliate Account

There have been a couple of posts here stating how perfect stats are. However, I will quote Gamtrak.

I'm sick of industry folks just taking the word of operators when issues arise and will not be one of them.

[mojo]

APCW did an audit of PlayShare and everything tracked correctly.

Was this recent?

[Daera]

Hi Mojo,

I don't understand what you mean here:

Not only that but, for example, the above mentioned $25 deposit, I was paid on only $23 even though there was not $2 left in his account. There is also a pattern of this.

If we're paid on Net Revenue (money wagered less winnings, less free credits, less chargebacks, less progressive jackpot fees and bonuses.), then what do you mean above about the $25 deposit and only getting paid on $23? I'm confused.

[Topboss]

This doesn't surprise me one little bit.
We won't touch Playshare with a barge pole.

A few years back we ran a white label through them..
We delivered a fair number of players, but never made a cent from them and every single month we were in the negative. Every single player we had delivered them had won. One can understand players winning, but not every single player. When we questioned this, we were advised that all of our players were bonus abusers and were a syndicate. Even if they were a syndicate of bonus abusers - how could they all win?? Our first month of operation we went 23K in the negative, and of course negatives were carried forward month to month. If these were in fact a syndicate - why did playshare pay them their winnings??

When we started questioning the stats we received a letter to shut down our casino.

I also find it funny that when Mojo first questioned the stats with Playshare, they advised her that all was running fine, but only when she posted the proof on GPWA did they then admit to their being a problem. Sorry, but I don't buy this.

eCogra should start doing some enquiries here to stop other affiliates being shafted.

[GFPC]

This doesn't surprise me one little bit.
We won't touch Playshare with a barge pole.

Heather what is a barge pole? - I almost fell of my chair laughing as it sounded funny coming from you..but in all seriousness when TOPBOSS says its not a good place to promote I trust it.

Read this who thread and I am sick to my stomach!

When will people wake up and smell the coffee that the whole GOD DAM industry is becoming a scamfest!

The reasoning behind this shaving certainly does not seem right! We all see it so why not say it. She was shaved! Period!

Everyone knows shaving is prevalent! So i will say it like it is!

We really need a serious way to track programs or change the models we work on. This cant get much worse!

[Topboss]

Steve , Thanks for your faith in me...I don't always get it right though, and have learnt some hard lessons through the years and done some dodgy things without even knowing it at the time!!
I do, however learn from mistakes and ensure I don't repeat them again.

What is a barge pole? LOL, Sorry, That is an idiom that one uses when one doesn't want to touch something even from far. It is a long pole that is used to propel barges in water - think of the guys on the gondoliers in Italy - the pole or long stick that they use in the water.

[GamTrak]

I also find it funny that when Mojo first questioned the stats with Playshare, they advised her that all was running fine, but only when she posted the proof on GPWA did they then admit to their being a problem. Sorry, but I don't buy this.

Exactly! Did no one catch that? I sure did and therefore the reason for my statments.

With the large membership here at GPWA there has to be atleast ONE other person this has happened to IMO. Either we get confirmation that there is atleast one affiliate of Playshare and a member here that can be verified by that member I will not believe the story put forth regarding what happened.

When I say that 'industry' folks take the word of operators I'm basing that on the Grand Prive fiasco where Micrograming, eCOGRA & others just took thier word even though several affilates could show there was something horribly wrong.

[GCG]

eCogra should start doing some enquiries here to stop other affiliates being shafted.

Ecogra has no power when it comes to protecting / helping affiliates, period. They have ties to MG and can not be a reliable partner for that reason.

[GFPC]

Thanks for explaining that Heather. LOL - yeah that is funny!

I really think testing needs to be done frequently and by affiliates. I know various organizations test already - but i feel its not enough.

Another layer of protection is needed! A large affiliate base that will contribute time money and energy into this.

This base when agreed a program is shaving - all need to remove the program from their sites and make a group statement and publicly state why.

Large scale is the way to go! And i mean serious large scale.

[GCG]

Kindly note that "the bigger affiliates" do not bother with testing they just replace or move brands to low traffic pages or charge upfront payment.

All you and the others will do, will help them more than yourself, which is the sad truth but this how this industry works.

[Topboss]

Kindly note that "the bigger affiliates" do not bother with testing they just replace or move brands to low traffic pages or charge upfront payment.

I agree with you there. Whilst I wouldn't call myself one of the bigger affiliates -I don't generally have the time to test anything, and often work on a gut feel and if things don't look right to me and I start seeing negative posts about the casino in question, then I simply remove them without even notifying them.

I am over the days of being nice and now have the attitude that if you are on my sites, you had better perform and if you don't - down you come!

[GFPC]

So lets do nothing then. Sounds great! Everyone just look out for themselves! Standard procedure. While we watch others get toasted and do nothing.
This is one of the reasons why this continues because and this is just one part, the Big affiliates who can help make a difference just have no time or
inclination to help! When the performances are low they just remove them and allow the small fried to get burned! WOW

[Topboss]

Steve,
I hear you and I know exactly what you mean and maybe my post came across wrong.
I think what everyone is doing with the testing is perfect but I just have the opinion that we should not have to do all of these tests because they should be running reputable programs in the first place and if they choose not to, then it will hurt them even more if people simply don't promote them.

[GFPC]

Heather i agree with you. I just think this is everyone's responsibility. Not just a handful of the same people who continually are seen as whistle blowers, whinners, chronic complainers ect ect..

Only when everyone contributes will we be able to stop serious SHAVING from going on but of course while the big affiliates continue to get paid good sums of money they will turn a blind eyes. I have witnessed this with the Bewinners situation while emailing Supper Affiliates. Most just don't reply simply because they have special deals! (note: i had a special deal as well).

Its one thing to remove brands that shave or do not perform - but another to step up and help find solutions to stop this.

The sad truth is I agree that I think affiliates need to turn to PAID upfront models now days! Its a must for new programs especially.

Shaving is huge right now - severe and is hurting our fellow members. Why would any affiliate not want to help put a stop to this?

Any new affiliate who has ever asked me for help (getting paid) I have offered it fully 100% with no questions asked! Whether i make 10 cents or
100K a month I would never turn my back on fellow affiliates.

[mojo]

Hi Mojo,

I don't understand what you mean here:



If we're paid on Net Revenue (money wagered less winnings, less free credits, less chargebacks, less progressive jackpot fees and bonuses.), then what do you mean above about the $25 deposit and only getting paid on $23? I'm confused.

Simply that I could not account for the $2 deducted from the original deposit. And that there is a pattern of this happening all along. When I looked yesterday, Joe's 100 was $94 in the 'net revenue' column. The net revenue is what we are paid on. There was no explaination for that.

Today I see the net revenue column has been fixed. Joe's 100 is now $99 in the net revenue and he confirms he has $1 left in his account.

I don't know how long this has been going on but it could add up quite a bit. Hopefully we will hear.

Thank you to everyone who has posted here and at AGD. I couldn't ask for more than us all fixing things together for our future.

[stgeorge]

Shaving is huge right now.

Hi

Can you clarify why you are saying this? Serious question. Do you have evidence of shaving?

[GFPC]

Hi

Can you clarify why you are saying this? Serious question. Do you have evidence of shaving?

Yes i do have proof. Are you saying programs are not shaving? Actually we all have proof from past to present.

Lets use one example - Bewinners! Do you promote Bwin? Well if you do you will realize player values are devalued after 3 years to 5% - that is in my definition a clear case of SHAVING. That is one example.

Another example is Mojo's claim here. Here player deposits were only showing 50% of what they should be. Do you not consider this a SHAVE? Whether its a technical error or not it still constitutes a SHAVE. Or do you not agree?

Grand Prive was another one - (HUGE SHAVE) and worse! What do you think on that one mate?

I can also tell you without mentioning names - that in my 3 years I have had to negotiate to get my proper earnings after shaving happened to me. Due to some confidentiality I cant explain further - but it was noted!

I am sure other people have other examples mate. Shaving is a part of this industry and continues to happen. ASK MOJO, Ask Aussie Dave, Ask me, Ask ThePokerkeep, ask GameTrak, ask Chips!! ect..

The reason i mention some of these names is many of us here got SERIOUSLY shaved from Big Daddys Casino a year ago. No affiliates got paid because the owner claimed he did not get paid and got burned. He claimed all affiliates would get paid.. Yeah right!!

No one got paid - we got shaved all our earnings! He then goes and opens up a new casino called 21DUKES - you hear of them? on TOP GAME.

Is this enough proof for you mate? I can dig up more if you need me to - but i think if you read the history and all the posts from the last 2 3 years you will find many cases of shaving.

Cheers buddy

P.S. you can also look at the poll what many affiliates think!!

https://www.gpwa.org/forum/do-you-be...am-193650.html

[thepokerkeep]

Full Tilt and Doyle's Room are shaving in a semi legal manner by deducting various fees from our profit margins. In some instances, affiliates are reporting 40% - 50% reductions in net earnings.

Shaving takes many forms....

[mgcasinos]

Thank you Mojo for this great post, I will test it by myself