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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelCorfman View Post
    Thank you Rick, both for your post, and for bringing the situation to my attention with the pm you sent me.

    There is a line between letting folks share information and express opinions in a professional mannor and dragging discussions into the gutter. And while some of the discussion in this thread has been reasonable, some has also crossed the line.

    At the moment I am not going to actually close this thread, but I will be monitoring it more closely. If I see any future posts that I view cross the line I will be inclined to suspend posting privileges of the appropriate person temporarily and conduct a poll to determine what members here feel is an appropriate duration for the suspension.

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    Sorry Michael but i think your decision is wrong in this instance, the question i have is what has to be done on here for a person to have posting privileges withdrawn?

    You know what was said, there is reference to it in this thread and you have been informed by other means and anyway some of the name calling on here not only totally derailed this thread but also undermines the GPWA.

    In addition the whole attitude towards transparancy has become the overiding determining factor on the GPWA and that has created a blinkered view of what is actually being said.

    But you have made your decision and it is now ones own choice how they react in light of that decision.
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    I agree that this thread has gotten completly out of hand, and I think Michael and Steven should step in.
    Sorry there Rick this argument simply does not register. This P4 fellow should be treated the in the same manner he has treated others, UNCIVILIZED!

    I suppose in some worlds it would be nice to treat the guilty as innocent. Not in mine this stuff happens all too often. If you not part of the solutions then your part of the problem. Common sense I say.

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    Just a thought guys, however, the lowest parts of this thread have been down to a non private member and in the main the private membership has acted with mostly dignity and not stooped to the low levels shown by the outsider.

    Things did get a little out of hand, however, all things considered i think that yet again the "private membership" deserves a medal for its temperament under these circumstances!

    This dam tinternet dont half house some keyboard warriors and we seem to be attracting more than our fair share just lately!

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    Quote Originally Posted by greek39 View Post
    Sorry there Rick this argument simply does not register. This P4 fellow should be treated the in the same manner he has treated others, UNCIVILIZED!

    I suppose in some worlds it would be nice to treat the guilty as innocent. Not in mine this stuff happens all too often. If you not part of the solutions then your part of the problem. Common sense I say.
    Well, I don't think the civilized should abandon their civilized principles when dealing with the uncivilized. But neither to I believe the uncivilized should receive a free pass to act in an uncivilized fashion.

    I do think there are lessons to be learned from this thread. And I think there will be disucssions and action items agreed in the private GPWA forums about how we can do a better job in the future of responding more quickly to situations like this thread where things went to a place that should never be allowed in these forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P4K Gaming View Post
    it is $495.

    Let me say this to you Jaxon,

    I am still yet to receive a reply from your boss in relation to payment, We were working through an arrangement to have the $495 repaid as we did not meet our arrangement deal.

    But I will not support a marketing company of your nature to publicly slam me considering you haven't even bothered to reply to me. I have been on msn countless times while you have been on and not one message has come through regarding our proposal we sent yous.


    Jaxon you please yourself in what you are doing, We will wait to hear from your boss and i will not deal with an unprofessional Idiot.

    It shows alot about your business and the type of business you are running.

    If you think by posting our arrangement publicly you will achive anything, Then I am sorry it wont speed up any payment arrangement.
    The intentions behind posting this thread was never to try to get that tiny amount of money back, but instead to warn others of you. I did not post the amount in which we agreed because the amount is very insignificant and I did not want to make that amount the main topic of this discussion.

    I have detailed email records of when we have tried to email you and YOU are the one that doesn't respond. It's funny how you responded now after this post was made, but for you to claim that it was you that has been wronged is just ridiculous. Jason emailed you on June 15th and after a week of not getting a reply, I emailed you on June 22nd at 11:31 AM PST, to ask if you had gotten the email, but still no reply. This is not the first time that you have taken an inordinate amount of time to reply and this time you didn't reply at all.

    On June 16th, you were on msn and I didn't msg you because I wanted to see if you would reply to the email. You obviously got the email as you finally replied to it today (June 28th). If you would have replied to our emails in the first place, do you think I would've have posted? How much patience do you expect from us? The deal was set at the beginning of Feb, it's now the end of June..... FIVE months.

    As for you calling me an "idiot". I know in my heart and in my mind that I've always been professional when speaking to you during my emails to you about our situation. The "idiot" comment does not bother me, because I am an "idiot" for falling for this and I will be the first to admit that I made a mistake, but this will never happen to me again and hopefully to anyone else.
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    I agree with staff here about how this has worked out so wrong.

    In future I will not post as at this stage I am really to annoyed at alot of so called upstanding people calling the kettle black, When it is themselves that seriously need to look at what they are also doing.

    Jaxon, I invite you or your boss to contact me, I will no longer disguss this on a public forum. People can say what they like at the end of the day. But i will continue to do what I love doing and that is arranging bonuses for our members period.

    Anyone elses feed back on this matter and anyone who loves dragging up the past, Good for you. Keep doing what your good at it has no affect to me what so ever.

    Yes i have gotten anger in this thread, I should have handled it better. But there is some i will not appologise to as they deserve everything said about them. I will take it you all will know who you are.

    And for the record, That template we are using is not from a UK site, Other sites have these templates also. With no terms like back links. So please get your facts straight RHONDA!!!

    I will not respond to this thread anymore, I think including myself that alot of people have been unprofessional regarding this situation.

    I appologise to the GPWA for my out burst.

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    Default Jaxon

    I have not replied to your message outlining the proposal as I have not received it as yet from, If I had i would have responded.

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    Default Remove this thread

    I have been advised to no longer respond on this website regarding this matter, I have also been advised to inform the person that started this thread to remove it please.

    No arrangements will be made until this is done.

    I will deal with the company Jet Set Marketing and the CEO of both casinos. Not a public forum.

    If a company thinks that just because an agreement falls through that gives them the right to disclose this sort of information which is as they state themselves is a contract. They have by far breached this agreement also.

    There will be no further correspondence via a public forum from our side.

    I once again apologize to the GPWA for voicing my anger on there site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P4K Gaming View Post
    I have been advised to no longer respond on this website regarding this matter, I have also been advised to inform the person that started this thread to remove it please.

    No arrangements will be made until this is done.

    I will deal with the company Jet Set Marketing and the CEO of both casinos. Not a public forum.

    If a company thinks that just because an agreement falls through that gives them the right to disclose this sort of information which is as they state themselves is a contract. They have by far breached this agreement also.

    There will be no further correspondence via a public forum from our side.

    I once again apologize to the GPWA for voicing my anger on there site.
    This is possibly the third time that you have said that there will be no reply.

    Of course everyone shown or accused of being rogue would want a thread like this to be removed.

    My suggestion to you would not be to shout the odds and try to set the rules, however, i would suggest the resolution of the issues be done in the open.

    Once the resolution is completed i am sure that the GPWA would have no issue in adding the words "resolved" to the title.

    Try to see this in everyones eyes, its a mess and not a nice situation, however, you did not help the route of the thread at most times.

    The sight of resolved in the title will give everyone the chance to make their own decision on the whole situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P4K Gaming View Post
    I have been advised to no longer respond on this website regarding this matter, I have also been advised to inform the person that started this thread to remove it please.

    No arrangements will be made until this is done.

    I will deal with the company Jet Set Marketing and the CEO of both casinos. Not a public forum.

    If a company thinks that just because an agreement falls through that gives them the right to disclose this sort of information which is as they state themselves is a contract. They have by far breached this agreement also.

    There will be no further correspondence via a public forum from our side.

    I once again apologize to the GPWA for voicing my anger on there site.
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    The person who started this thread does not have the ability to delete or otherwise remove this thread. If you belive there is material disclosed in this thread that violates a confidentiality agreement then you should provide me with appropriate material to demonstrate that is the case, and I will determine the appropriate action to take in response given the legal obligations of the GPWA.

    Please be aware that the existence and terms of a contract are not appropriately considered confidential unless both parties have entered into an agreement that stipulates that is the case. And if you are party to such a agreement in this case, then the act of revealing finer details such as the amount of the contract, might be viewed as more serious contract violations than more general information about the relationship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P4K Gaming View Post
    I.

    And for the record, That template we are using is not from a UK site, Other sites have these templates also. With no terms like back links. So please get your facts straight RHONDA!!!
    Wayne if the template you were using did not belong to the site in question, then why did you take it down... if you are not hiding anything.
    do you really think people are that stupid?

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    Default Rhonda

    That template has not been taken down.

    If you had of taken notice since you love coming to our site Rhonda, You would have seen that Template had been taken down prior to anyone commenting.

    The template will also be going bck up, So i suggest unless you know what you are talking about BUZ off.


    And to the other person,

    I am not commenting on this Media Deal anymore, If i post in response to Live Free or any other comments like hers. I will reply.

    I do not have to defend myself to anyone or any business for that matter.
    Plain and simple if you think i am a scam, If you think i love ripping people off and if you think I have no morals then don't come to our site.

    We no longer do media deals, As Rhonda forgot to tells yous that as it stopped just before she left or should i say FIRED!!!

    Rhonda forgot to say that she was paid $500 usd Plus numbers of freebies for her effort she placed into P4K Gaming. Also spending the media deal that she arranged with no traffic sent to the casino. If you would like information on her also feel free to contact the casino concerned anyone who emails me for this contact information I will be more than willing to provide the casinos contact details.

    Go away Rhonda, you think you are professional and upstanding and i think you honestly beleave yourself. You are far from it.

    As the old saying goes, What goes around WILL come around. i know what I have and havent done and I feel I am doing the right thing. I do not rip people off, And if a meda deal is arranged and not followed through then of course we will work with the casino to fix the issue. However this will not be happening again as we are soley working with casins based on rev share now and nothing other.

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    Default I am over this

    GPWA,

    Please delete our membership here please, I am over this moral high ground and do not really care what half of these people are saying. They are basing there posts on here say of others and apart from the affiliate manager that started this thread have no solid proof of ripping ex-staff off.

    It is all here say and name calling and yest I am at fault with the name calling also. I am no longer going to reply to this section and will also no longer deal with GPWA. I have never really had much to do with this site.

    I understand some peoples views i really can, but those that just like digging a whole and pouring petrol onto the fire need there heads seriously checked.

    I will now make a public statement right here,

    Unless this post and thread are removed I will weigh up the amount of damage we will lose because of this statement and take any potential loss off the amount owed. You can either like it or lump it.

    But what i will do, that is promote respected casinos on our site, If a casino chooses not to deal with us based on this information here then they aren't really worth promoting to begin with. The internet is a very large world, And this area and people in it are only 10% of the gambling industry.

    In future i would advise Jet Set Marketing if they enter into an agreement, Get a signed one. Either of us at this stage could add our own terms and no one would be the wiser. it is a lesson i have learn't and one that won't be repeated.

    Jason responded saying they have said nothing about Slander, To label someone a scam Artist is, Just because an agreement is KEPT to or was un-able to be completed does not make it a scam.

    We have right the way through this ordeal said we owe the money and when we were able to pay it back. At this stage we are not in a position to do so, I have advised JASON from Jet Set Marketing that we will try and get this paid over the next 3 months. We will correspond with them and THEM only if we are un-able to meet this target.

    If i was scamming people i would simple not give a **** about what anyone said here, But I DO. And i will try and rectify it.

    It is really not worth commenting on anymore as its going no where.

    Jason and Jaxon should have thought a little more seriously before making this post.

    My statment stands while this post remains i will not enter into any agreement with this company. That is one right i am obliged to use.

    They will get there money, but not until they accept they have handled this wrong and request the thread be removed. I am not happy with just a RESOLVED added to the subject line.

    But as requested please delete my membership please, I no longer want to be part of a site that allows this sort of bashing, Yes i include myself into the contex of that statement also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P4K Gaming View Post
    GPWA,

    Please delete our membership here please, I am over this moral high ground and do not really care what half of these people are saying. They are basing there posts on here say of others and apart from the affiliate manager that started this thread have no solid proof of ripping ex-staff off.

    It is all here say and name calling and yest I am at fault with the name calling also. I am no longer going to reply to this section and will also no longer deal with GPWA. I have never really had much to do with this site.

    I understand some peoples views i really can, but those that just like digging a whole and pouring petrol onto the fire need there heads seriously checked.

    I will now make a public statement right here,

    Unless this post and thread are removed I will weigh up the amount of damage we will lose because of this statement and take any potential loss off the amount owed. You can either like it or lump it.

    But what i will do, that is promote respected casinos on our site, If a casino chooses not to deal with us based on this information here then they aren't really worth promoting to begin with. The internet is a very large world, And this area and people in it are only 10% of the gambling industry.

    In future i would advise Jet Set Marketing if they enter into an agreement, Get a signed one. Either of us at this stage could add our own terms and no one would be the wiser. it is a lesson i have learn't and one that won't be repeated.

    Jason responded saying they have said nothing about Slander, To label someone a scam Artist is, Just because an agreement is KEPT to or was un-able to be completed does not make it a scam.

    We have right the way through this ordeal said we owe the money and when we were able to pay it back. At this stage we are not in a position to do so, I have advised JASON from Jet Set Marketing that we will try and get this paid over the next 3 months. We will correspond with them and THEM only if we are un-able to meet this target.

    If i was scamming people i would simple not give a **** about what anyone said here, But I DO. And i will try and rectify it.

    It is really not worth commenting on anymore as its going no where.

    Jason and Jaxon should have thought a little more seriously before making this post.

    My statment stands while this post remains i will not enter into any agreement with this company. That is one right i am obliged to use.

    They will get there money, but not until they accept they have handled this wrong and request the thread be removed. I am not happy with just a RESOLVED added to the subject line.

    But as requested please delete my membership please, I no longer want to be part of a site that allows this sort of bashing, Yes i include myself into the contex of that statement also.
    So the bottom line is removed this thread or you wont pay

    Well what would you call that?

    Blackmail is the first word that springs to mind

    Anyway the chances of this being removed without a legal documentation is zero.

    So you have your excuse not to pay $450 over a three month period

    Seriously if this was not such bad unethical behaviour it would be funny but regardless google will pick this thread up and many casinos will see this and so the only person you are damanging is yourself.

    That said i hope jetset explore all avenues open to them including using your admissions on here as proof that you do indeed owe them the money and that they continue to seek the money owed that you are witholding.
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    Default They can Do what Ever they Like

    End of the day they can do what ever they like.

    If they choose to try and blackmail me Pay up or this post stays. I can do the same. Regardless. And if google does pick this up, Well then so be it, They have cost themselves for posting this to begin with.

    You seem to be so focused on me saying i dont owe the money, Clear your head a little and here my words. If Jet Set dont cost us any loss then they will receive there money as discussed with them in a private email.

    If you really want to look at the big picture LAWS based on gambling and contracts made outside any country other than your own are classed as a civil matter not criminal. This has not been a case of theft or scamming. it has been a simple case of site problems, Not being able to afford to pay this money back.

    I have said they will get it, providing we dont lose revenue or business dealings because of this thread. That is why i suggested it be removed. If it is not then they will be waiting longer for there money.

    End of the day if someone doesn't have it to pay back there isn't alot that can be done. i earn money from my website and by trashing it they are in turn destroying any chance of me being able to pay them back.

    Its that simple.

    I am not proud of the way things have gone, but i also will not be pushed just because 10% of the gambling industry doesnt like me.

    I do not have to answer to you, or anyone else nor do i really care what your comments are.

    Jet set will get there money but in the event i am unable to make it because of GOOGLE picking this up then they only have them self to blame.

    I will stick to our agreement that was made to pay off in 3 months, And that is all this is really about. there was no need for it to be posted to begin with.

    NOW GPWA as i requested before delete my membership.

    I no longer want to be associated with a site that allows this. You call it professional, I call it power crazy.

    GPWA has changed so much from when it was first started. At one time none of this would have been allowed.

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    Default Update

    I have made an arrangement with Jason from Jet Set Marketing and he will report an update if this arrangement is not kept to.

    I do not really care what ex-staff have to say the were let go for a reason and we stand by that decision. If casinos choose not to have there banners on our site. No loss to us it is costing them by losing the potential traffic we generate.

    We do not do media buys anymore for this sole reason of not being able to Guarantee. We work solely on Rev Share now. That way we as the casino are protected.

    End Of Story

    If you dont like our site stay away we do not care, All i care about is offering the best promotions I can to our members. That is it.

    Thank you Jason for the emails and our arrangement will be honored as disgussed

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    Thank you Jason for the emails and our arrangement will be honored as disgussed
    A step in the right direction as it pertains to this thread P4 thank you.

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    Your Welcome,

    Sometimes it takes me a while to see the whole picture and I should think before posting. We have come to a mutual agreement and one that we both will be happy with.

    As for other comments about me, I think its best I do not respond to anyone as I seem to dig myself deeper than I am. All I can say is this is a very strong lesson for myself as well, To be careful who you bring on as staff.

    We have a great team now all of you know it is Dolphsldy and Andy and we plan on re-vamping our site with alot of changes. Regardless of what people say we will continue to do the best we can and promote honest upstanding casinos.

    I apologize more so to Lori as my anger got away with me while i was posting. That will never happen again.

    To ex-staff and you all know who you are, I owe you no explanation nor do i care for your comments. Regardless of what you say or think we try to do our best for OUR members. The people that really matter.

    Once again Thank you Jason, All the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P4K Gaming View Post
    That template has not been taken down.

    If you had of taken notice since you love coming to our site Rhonda, You would have seen that Template had been taken down prior to anyone commenting.

    The template will also be going bck up, So i suggest unless you know what you are talking about BUZ off.


    And to the other person,

    I am not commenting on this Media Deal anymore, If i post in response to Live Free or any other comments like hers. I will reply.

    I do not have to defend myself to anyone or any business for that matter.
    Plain and simple if you think i am a scam, If you think i love ripping people off and if you think I have no morals then don't come to our site.

    We no longer do media deals, As Rhonda forgot to tells yous that as it stopped just before she left or should i say FIRED!!!

    Rhonda forgot to say that she was paid $500 usd Plus numbers of freebies for her effort she placed into P4K Gaming. Also spending the media deal that she arranged with no traffic sent to the casino. If you would like information on her also feel free to contact the casino concerned anyone who emails me for this contact information I will be more than willing to provide the casinos contact details.

    Go away Rhonda, you think you are professional and upstanding and i think you honestly beleave yourself. You are far from it.

    As the old saying goes, What goes around WILL come around. i know what I have and havent done and I feel I am doing the right thing. I do not rip people off, And if a meda deal is arranged and not followed through then of course we will work with the casino to fix the issue. However this will not be happening again as we are soley working with casins based on rev share now and nothing other.


    Wayne,
    that template was there before you even replied to this thread, on the first page someone posted the link, I clicked on it and it took me to the template in question. two hours later it was gone. why did you take it down?

    you never had any intentions of paying back your media deals, and YOU know it. it's only now that you were alerted to this thread have you made a payment plan. you can call me all the names you want it just shows how little class you have. why can't you just take accountability and responsibility for your actions, instead of always pointing the finger at everyone else... geeze, for once in your life do the right thing.

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    Can't even come up with $495.... how pathetic.

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