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    Default Bard: Is this the end of affiliate sites ? generative AI

    Bard is now available in 180 countries for free, here are some questions I asked it:

    "what is the best online casino in the uk ?

    The best online casino in the UK is a matter of opinion, but some of the most popular and well-respected casinos include:

    • Casumo
    • Mr Vegas
    • Magic Red
    • Duelz
    • Voodoo Dreams
    • Luckster Casino
    • 32Red
    • Megaways
    • 10bet
    • Winomania

    These casinos all offer a variety of games, including slots, table games, live dealer games, and more. They also offer generous bonuses and promotions, and they have excellent customer service.
    It is important to note that this is just a list of some of the best online casinos in the UK. There are many other great casinos available, so it is important to do your research and find the one that is right for you.
    Here are some factors to consider when choosing an online casino:

    • Licensing and regulation: Make sure the casino is licensed and regulated by a reputable gaming authority, such as the UK Gambling Commission. This will ensure that your money is safe and that the games are fair.
    • Game selection: Choose a casino that offers a variety of games that you enjoy playing. Most casinos offer a wide variety of slots, table games, and live dealer games.
    • Bonuses and promotions: Many casinos offer generous bonuses and promotions to new and existing players. Make sure to check the terms and conditions of any bonuses before you claim them.
    • Customer service: Choose a casino with excellent customer service that is available 24/7. This will ensure that you can get help if you have any problems.


    I hope this helps you choose the best online casino for you."


    Then I asked something more specific:

    "what are the best tumbling reels slots in uk ?

    Tumbling reels slots are a type of slot machine that has a unique feature that allows winning symbols to disappear and be replaced by new symbols, which can create new winning combinations. This can lead to more frequent wins and higher payouts.
    Some of the best tumbling reels slots in the UK include:

    • Starburst by NetEnt
    • Gonzo's Quest by NetEnt
    • Book of Dead by Play'n GO
    • Reactoonz by Play'n GO
    • Temple Tumble by Relax Gaming

    These slots are all highly popular and offer a variety of features that can make them exciting and rewarding to play.
    Here are some of the factors to consider when choosing a tumbling reels slot:

    • RTP: The RTP, or return to player, is the percentage of money that is paid out to players over time. A higher RTP means that players are more likely to win money.
    • Volatility: The volatility of a slot game is a measure of how often it pays out. A high-volatility slot game is more likely to pay out large wins, but it is also more likely to go for long stretches without paying out anything. A low-volatility slot game is less likely to pay out large wins, but it is also less likely to go for long stretches without paying out anything.
    • Features: Tumbling reels slots often have a variety of features that can make them more exciting and rewarding to play. Some of the most common features include:
      • Wild symbols: Wild symbols can substitute for any other symbol to create winning combinations.
      • Scatter symbols: Scatter symbols can trigger bonus features, such as free spins or multipliers.
      • Multipliers: Multipliers can increase the value of winning combinations.
      • Free spins: Free spins are a type of bonus round where players can spin the reels for free.


    I hope this helps you choose the best tumbling reels slot.

    - Temple Tumble sounds good to me, where can I play it ?

    Temple Tumble is a popular slot machine game developed by Relax Gaming. It is a cascading reels slot game with a 6x6 grid and up to 46,656 ways to win. The game has a high RTP of 96.25% and is available to play at many online casinos in the UK.
    Here are some of the online casinos where you can play Temple Tumble:

    • Casumo
    • Mr Vegas
    • Magic Red
    • Duelz
    • Voodoo Dreams
    • Luckster Casino
    • 32Red
    • Megaways
    • 10bet
    • Winomania



    Then This:

    "I'm looking for new slot games that have been released in the past 30 days

    Here are some of the new slot games that have been released in the past 30 days:

    • Wild Depths by Play'n GO
    • Golden Ticket: 40 Leprechauns Megaways** by Pragmatic Play
    • Book of Kingdoms by Red Tiger Gaming
    • The Magic of Thor by Yggdrasil Gaming
    • The Dog House Megaways by Pragmatic Play
    • Temple Tumble 2 by Relax Gaming
    • Wild Frames by Nolimit City
    • The Sword and the Grail by Stakelogic
    • The Great Pigsby by Big Time Gaming
    • The Dog House Megaways Christmas by Pragmatic Play


    etc etc

    Basically any information about any aspect of online casinos can be found in an instant without ever needing to visit an affiliate site or even a casino site - you can ask Bard to find the specifics of any particular casino or game you want and it provides the list. No problems with out of date listings or biased reviews, it can aggregate anything and find correct and up to the minute information on anything.

    Where, if anywhere do affiliate sites figure in this new world ? Bard's information is not yet monetised, similar to how Google used to be at the start, but when they do find a way the landscape will look completely different. Looks like we will have to get very creative, and soon.


    : https://bard.google.com/

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    Got to admit, I'd dismissed Bard. But this didn't look bad and further tests are telling me it's well on par with ChatGPT, certainly for the stuff I'm running.

    The game looks to be well and truly on. In 3-6 months, maybe a year, the whole landscape might be entirely different than it is now.

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    Bing AI with skype came out today. The big difference is it cites where it took its information. In the text itself and afterwards. As for Bard time will tell, maybe it is game over maybe it’s an opportunity. The whole information is coming from somewhere you know.

    Bard isnt the source of it. It’s the equivalent of writing your college essay 20y ago by using 20 different articles and saying it’s your own words but back then it was called plagiarizing. Apperntly these days if it’s an AI doing it’s not a probelm

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaumi View Post
    Got to admit, I'd dismissed Bard. But this didn't look bad and further tests are telling me it's well on par with ChatGPT, certainly for the stuff I'm running.

    The game looks to be well and truly on. In 3-6 months, maybe a year, the whole landscape might be entirely different than it is now.
    I asked it a few other questions on related issues and I found it not as good as GPT 4 or even 3.5 - lots of outright lying and confusion, for example I asked it for ideas on integrating Bard into a Wordpress website, it said that was easily done by downloading and installing the Bard Widget Plugin and I could be up and running in seconds - obviously I got quite excited about this until I got suspicious and asked it when the Bard Widget Plugin was released, it confessed that there was no such thing.

    Where it does excel obviously is with its up to date information for basic questions, it's web access. Clearly it's only a matter of time before it is up to speed with GPT 4 and exceeds it.

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    and now I got an answer telling me that slots, bingo, and roulette are all games of skill. Seems there's a way to go yet!!...but I'm mighty curious where it pulled that info from.

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    So the final conclusion and key is to just ask a Bard.

    Better then AI a real Bard
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    Apparently this is what they want Google to become and to forget about the "10 blue links". How's this even profitable for them, when even the ads are nowhere to be seen.

    P.S I had an image attached idk where it went https://blog.google/products/search/...ive-ai-search/
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    Remember, G held off doing this for some time even though the underlying capability was there. So, right now, this Bard release could be due to them being forced into a reaction to ChatGPT before they were really ready (ie had worked out the best way(s) to monetize it).

    The theory being that, if they didn't, they potentially lose significant market share. And it's better for them to hold that market share on Google (without making $s) than it is to lose it and have to fight to get it back (and potentially not get some of it back).

    Maybe they were clever enough all along to know this was coming and it's been factored in to near term future profits, while in the background they know they have a sales goldmine when/if they've cemented their share of the 'chat' market.

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    Google pushes emphasis on high value content but shows thin low content in it's AI, i wonder what the conversion rates are vs regular organic?


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    For now, the whole "ask the AI" is more like a game. It all depends if the method will stick to the users or not.

    The biggest issue AI has is the hallucinations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halluc..._intelligence)

    It can't be mitigated, and if you understand just a bit how these models work, there's no solution for it.

    I am worried as well (really worried) about the outcome of project Magi and/or the use of Bard/ChatGPT. But in the end, it's up to the users. If the new generation will prefer to ask questions and rely 100% on the answer (here, hallucinations might change the game a bit), then we are kind of screwed.

    If people using the Magi project with the new search experience will not scroll down and keep asking follow up questions, then again we are all screwed (unless you're in the top 5, in which case you might see some traffic).

    How long will it take to see if people like these features? Not sure. Will they like it/use it to the point it will screw us? Not sure. Suddenly, Google updates are (almost) the least of my concerns

    For now, I see this whole AI craze a brilliant marketing move from Microsoft/Bing, which caught Google off guard. It was implemented fast, since big G can't afford to lose market share because of this "cool" thing. If it will stick/be helpful, it remains to be seen.

    Did Bing's market share grew since the adoption of AI? I have no idea. But at least people remembered there's a search engine named Bing, which now uses some really cool thing. It's marketing.

    But in the end, it is indeed worrying.

    Edit: some market share according to big data https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share
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    Quote Originally Posted by iso2009 View Post
    Did Bing's market share grew since the adoption of AI? I have no idea. But at least people remembered there's a search engine named Bing, which now uses some really cool thing. It's marketing.

    Edit: some market share according to big data https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share
    Did anyone switch all the sudden to Bing? Because I haven't and none of the people I communicate with have either. Not to mention to the people outside of our sector, and the online sector in general, nobody has heard of AI as people are busy watching the news 24/7 to see updates on the war, which celebrity slept with whoever and how bad the inflation is.

    I'm a tech geek, and this excites me, in fact I use ChatGPT for most of my specific questions now, but I can't say anyone else that I know uses any of it, has any interest for any of it, or even cares for any of it.

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    The way Google wants to modify the search experience with project Magi is well described here: https://searchengineland.com/new-goo...erience-413533

    If it sticks and people like it, it will definitely change the whole traffic flow. But Google tried many things, not all of them got adopted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xecutable View Post
    Did anyone switch all the sudden to Bing? Because I haven't and none of the people I communicate with have either. Not to mention to the people outside of our sector, and the online sector in general, nobody has heard of AI as people are busy watching the news 24/7 to see updates on the war, which celebrity slept with whoever and how bad the inflation is.

    I'm a tech geek, and this excites me, in fact I use ChatGPT for most of my specific questions now, but I can't say anyone else that I know uses any of it, has any interest for any of it, or even cares for any of it.

    Taken from what should be a reliable source (should come up as the FS on this search - https://www.google.com/search?q=how+...using+chap+gpt

    Top 5 ChatGPT User Statistics
    ChatGPT currently has over 100 million users
    In just 5 days, ChatGPT surpassed 1 million users
    openai.com gets approximately 1 billion visits per month
    Over 60% of ChatGPT's social media traffic comes via YouTube
    Over 15% of ChatGPT's users are American
    How Many ChatGPT Users Are There?
    According to the latest available data, ChatGPT currently has over 100 million users. And the website currently generates 1 billion visitors per month.

    But your point about Bing is a good one.

    Just because ChatGPT seems a success, it doesn't mean most users are accessing it through a search engine.

    Personally, I heavily suspect most that might have moved to Bing (whatever number that is, and if any) will be back on Google/Bard pretty soon.

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    While a 100 mil looks like a lot of people, given that the population of just North America and the EU is roughly 800 mil, we have only 12.5% of the population using it. Add to that the rest of the world and this number goes down by a lot.

    Compared to "As of January 2023, there were 5.16 billion internet users worldwide, which is 64.4 percent of the global population", that 100 mil looks like a miniscule number for such a gamechanger, 0.0196%.

    Considering that there are 55.5 mil ITs worldwide(2020), I think this shows that the majority of its users are us and nobody outside of our sector, goes out of their way to get online and use it.

    I wish they would should more specific results, like demographics, average age, professions etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xecutable View Post
    While a 100 mil looks like a lot of people, given that the population of just North America and the EU is roughly 800 mil, we have only 12.5% of the population using it. Add to that the rest of the world and this number goes down by a lot.

    Compared to "As of January 2023, there were 5.16 billion internet users worldwide, which is 64.4 percent of the global population", that 100 mil looks like a miniscule number for such a gamechanger, 0.0196%.

    Considering that there are 55.5 mil ITs worldwide(2020), I think this shows that the majority of its users are us and nobody outside of our sector, goes out of their way to get online and use it.

    I wish they would should more specific results, like demographics, average age, professions etc.
    Actually, I think this goes some way to answering the original question. Or at least puts a very interesting angle on it.

    Is Bard/ChatGPT/ANother the end of affiliate sites? (It might be apt to replace 'affiliate sites' with 'most information-type sites' ie not brand, news etc)

    Based on what we see/know/think...and where it all seems to be heading...the answer would have to be..

    'No...but it probably is the end of a significant number'

    Why so? If the majority of the internet-using global population don't use/ can't use/ are unaware of the chat tools.

    Because the tools are under the control of the providers that everyone uses. And those providers are on a path that they won't turn back from.

    The users of the tools will get shown the sites/pages the tool decides best answer the queries, and a feedback loop tells the AI if the pages it's showing are high-quality enough to truly answer the query. For those sites/pages lucky enough to get a click after the AI already answered the query, they'd better make damn sure they're exceptionally well-crafted. Or they won't last long (because remember the AI is cleverer than anything that's come before, and gets more clever with every interaction).

    And remember then, those same providers also owns/knows all the mechanisms in play when a searcher doesn't use AI, and might go straight to the 'old-style' search option.

    So, the loop completes.

    AI shows what's best to answer a query. (After, or alongside first answering the query anyway, already potentially taking n clicks away from indexed documents)
    User feedback tells it whether that was a right choice. And which options were 'more right' than others.
    The AI feeds its knowledge direct to the algorithm, which uses the data to populate 'standard' SERPs (ie augmenting/enhancing the methods its always been using to display SERPs and the pages therein for any specific query).

    Which, if you take it to a conclusion, means that ultimately all searchers (whether AI users or standard search) logically see all the same pages/sites (and only the 'good' pages).

    The evidence suggests everything that's happened in the last 18 months or so (the updates - HCU, reviews etc) has (at least partly) been leading up to play a part in all of this.

    So, what happens?

    At some point, only the very best will get a look in as far as the AI answer panel is concerned. That's where the battle will be. And there's less room there than ever before. When the ads start appearing (which you have to assume will happen), that room gets even less. Ultimately, the AI influences the standard SERPs pages. Note this is different from the SERPs influencing the AI responses, which would be the obvious state right now because the AI has to be taking its knowledge from existing high-ranked (or highly knowledgeable) sources.

    **************

    At the moment, what does a search engine need to answer most queries? That's right. 10 pages/documents at most in a significant number of cases. The reason why it's near pointless (from a visitors perspective) by ranking lower than top 10, and as we all know, very often, it doesn't do much good ranking outside of the top three.

    Now the SE has (or grows/continues to grow, through all of the implementations/changes we've seen, including AI) enhanced capability to 'know' the 10. There is not much need for the other 5.7 million/billion. Because (on an informational query, many are saying the same thing anyway).

    How do you survive?

    Take your current 'quality' (and 'quality' is a big word here that encompasses multiple aspects), and 10x it. That's been the game all along, ofc, but it's about to become exponentially more critical.

    The good news. The sites/pages/documents that are currently number 1-3 may not actually be at the right 'quality' level, because no has challenged them for it, or because the SE favours them for other reasons.

    There will be some opportunities.

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    This AI stuff is big. Much bigger than our 'little' world of webpages and trying to rank, ofc.

    But in our world, it's also bigger than ( I would think ) many of us can even imagine or second guess.

    So let's say there are 3 valuable 'chat' AI tools now.

    In 6 months?

    And how much exponentially more powerful are all of them?

    What about individual topic-specific dedicated AI. A gambling AI? An olive oil AI? A 'make money' AI? That are all somehow better than the SE AI. In other words, a website as we know it, but one that's interactive, talks, and learns.

    (There might be some opportunities there for some that are technically strong enough and wise enough to think how that might work, or something like it. Sadly I'm not one of them!)

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    Personally, I agree with the vast majority of theses and opinions put forward.

    I myself try not to read up on the subject so as not to get upset that it might not be good for affiliate sites. I don't think any user would want the end of the industry.

    Maybe I'll make points that I think could instead be positive for the industry, through all this development, not just AI.


    1. about 2010, every now and then I read on GPWA that the affiliate industry is ending.....a somehow it cannot end. (Of course, I know that there has never been a breakthrough like AI, but still, the fact is that such posts have been around since 'forever')

    2. a definite increase in online users and therefore huge increases in people using casinos and bookmakers. On the one hand, more and more affiliate sites are appearing, but also the player base is certainly growing as a result of the move of life o the internet.

    It seems to me that you have to go as chaumi said for quality. Quality that stands out, even great reviews alone are not enough, maybe some innovation, tools for players, I don't know.

    And that's it.... doesn't look good anyway.
    But maybe it will turn out that thanks to AI, the affiliate gambling niche will gain rather than lose, despite seeming to the contrary.

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    A good perspective, Danny. This is not a 'the end' moment. But it is a 'try harder/try smarter' moment. Although that is what we all should have been doing anyway. Much more so than at any other time to date.

    And with that comes opportunities, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iso2009 View Post
    The way Google wants to modify the search experience with project Magi is well described here: https://searchengineland.com/new-goo...erience-413533

    If it sticks and people like it, it will definitely change the whole traffic flow. But Google tried many things, not all of them got adopted.
    Notice how that example takes up the entire above the fold?

    Google is becoming less of a search engine, and more of their own affiliate site with moves like this. (many say they did this more then 15 years ago)

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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
    Notice how that example takes up the entire above the fold?

    Google is becoming less of a search engine, and more of their own affiliate site with moves like this. (many say they did this more then 15 years ago)

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