Flames from what ethics & integrity means to me thread

[nitro]

If you are an affiliate and you are reading this then you are no better than the crooks at LCB if you are promoting such scum casinos...

You are just plain stupid because you will make the most money if the player keeps on playing because a casino/sportsbook... behaves exactly the way the player expects and especially tries out other venues of online gambling due to the positive experiences made through the first encounter with the stuff and that is very unlikely going to happen if the first experience is getting screwed by some rogue outfits because the effect is that vast majority of players quits online gambling altogether pretty quickly and this way you only increase the intake of the B&M establishments despite the illusion of being able to make more money through the higher rev share numbers.

And if you don't believe me that please that into consideration that the market share of online gambling in the world gambling market is just about 8% and this number is miniscule considering the availability of high speed internet connections and the exposure online gambling thus has and one of the main reasons for that is the wild west image random people from the street have about online gambling that nicely corresponds with what is going on here which is being ripped off by semi-rogue or rogue outfits via the bonus (read: deposit penalty) scheme with the friendly support of many many semi-rogue or rogue webmasters whose main intention is not let the people gamble (this is considered too dangerous because there is the possibility to win something) but trying to keep as much of the deposits as possible.

[thepokerkeep]

You are just plain stupid because you will make the most money if the player keeps on playing because a casino/sportsbook... blah blah blah

Once again nitro derails a thread with personal attacks and bullshit....

MODS - please ban this guy!!!!

[nitro]

For pointing out that it maybe not the smartest choice to be a rogue affiliate? What does this say about you pokerkeep?

[thepokerkeep]

For pointing out that it maybe not the smartest choice to be a rogue affiliate? What does this say about you pokerkeep?

Nitro - you run on and on about who knows what - I certainly can't make any sense of your posts. You continually attack members. You question everyone's credibility.

Did you not just call a member stupid for stating the following?

If you are an affiliate and you are reading this then you are no better than the crooks at LCB if you are promoting such scum casinos...

Now you turn it around and attack my credibility as quoted above.... how does any of this make sense?

[nitro]

Nitro - you run on and on about who knows what - I certainly can't make any sense of your posts. You continually attack members. You question everyone's credibility.

If you lack the intelligence to comprehend it it would be nice if you stopped derailing the threads, for example:

Did you not just call a member stupid for stating the following?

No, i called the people he referenced to in his sentence to as stupid and this is clear for at least 99% of the people if you look at what i have written in my posting but you made for some nefarious reasons a personal attack out of it and even tried to convince the mods to ban me, therefore:

Now you turn it around and attack my credibility as quoted above.... how does any of this make sense?

Does it make sense now?

[thepokerkeep]

If you lack the intelligence to comprehend it it would be nice if you stopped derailing the threads, for example:



No, i called the people he referenced to in his sentence to as stupid and this is clear for at least 99% of the people if you look at what i have written in my posting but you made for some nefarious reasons a personal attack out of it and even tried to convince the mods to ban me, therefore:



Does it make sense now?

Granted - I may have misunderstood your post.
If you would take the time to format your posts, use periods and paragraphs to break up your posts, it would be much easier for us who (as you put it) lack the intelligence to comprehend your run-on sentences.

[Anthony]

These are the arguments from the following thread:
https://www.gpwa.org/forum/what-ethi...me-187683.html

Please refrain from personal attacks.

[Puma]

You are just plain stupid because you will make the most money if the player keeps on playing because a casino/sportsbook... behaves exactly the way the player expects and especially tries out other venues of online gambling due to the positive experiences made through the first encounter with the stuff and that is very unlikely going to happen if the first experience is getting screwed by some rogue outfits because the effect is that vast majority of players quits online gambling altogether pretty quickly and this way you only increase the intake of the B&M establishments despite the illusion of being able to make more money through the higher rev share numbers.

And if you don't believe me that please that into consideration that the market share of online gambling in the world gambling market is just about 8% and this number is miniscule considering the availability of high speed internet connections and the exposure online gambling thus has and one of the main reasons for that is the wild west image random people from the street have about online gambling that nicely corresponds with what is going on here which is being ripped off by semi-rogue or rogue outfits via the bonus (read: deposit penalty) scheme with the friendly support of many many semi-rogue or rogue webmasters whose main intention is not let the people gamble (this is considered too dangerous because there is the possibility to win something) but trying to keep as much of the deposits as possible.

Sorry but being stupid as I am all I heard was Blah Blah Blah I'm a dirty *****.

[Betpartners]

Sorry but being stupid as I am all I heard was Blah Blah Blah I'm a dirty *****.

I read it as you filthy dirty ***** then blah blah blah, damn this supidity is catching.

Not to worry Pumacat he will pop up again in another thread speaking backwards having a go.

But be fair he is unique, no one on any side of the arguement wants his support, quite a unique feat on the GPWA considering the characters we have on here

[nitro]

But be fair he is unique, no one on any side of the arguement wants his support, quite a unique feat on the GPWA considering the characters we have on here

What if the major and the more honest operators find out how bad the rogues/affiliates coalition really is for their business?

That taken as a whole the affiliates have only an illusion of productivity but in reality scare people away because the vast majority of them are amateurs with next to no clue about web design let alone sound PR/marketing/image building skills and of course tend to send people to outfits where not too many will come back and play again (if SEO is the only relevant skill the effect of the entire aff community is player redistribution towards the more rogue outfits) and that if all the affiliates disappered from one day to another you would would just get an other player redistribution pattern (skewed towards the more honest operation this time) without the overhead and nothing else...

I actually believe that the concept can be straight out but my guess is that at least 90% - 95% of the affs currently on the scene are basically superfluous and already gave some hints why this is the case so i am for sure not good for business interests of the majority of people here and the appriopriate treatment follows...

[Puma]

Ok Nitro, we assume you got off on the wrong foot with people here and that's ok. I'm the biggest bitch here other than Giggles ( lmao ) and sometimes it happens. Lets start over shall we. I'm very sure most would agree that a fresh start is in order.

[nitro]

Now to other more pressing matters! When Heather and I started Topboss, we decided that what ever happens within our industry we would remain an honest and reliable company, which we believe we have done over the past 10yrs.<o>
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The problem is that even assuming that this is true this cannot be said about the aff community as such due to human nature. The rogues and the more fragile outfits will always put the higher numbers on the table because this is the only way they can get attention and as long as they can keep the affiliates happy they'll get a lot of exposure because the majority of people is only interested in the immediate gain and nothing else.

The current affiliate scheme is therefore counterproductive because the affiliates get the traffic almost exclusively from people (the aff world is not content but heavily SEO fixated) who would have stumbled into gambling anyway and send them usually into wrong channels.

The rogues and problematic outfits of all sorts can only survive because a lot of affiliates are constantly sending them new players and both are therefore responsible for the crap image of online gambling and my guess is that the world market share on gambling revenues could be at least twice as much if it weren't for the crap image created by the rogues and the affiliates that promote them coalition.

The don quixotes a la aussie dave may bitch about it as much as they want this is never going to change unless a new model is found or the current one(read: the affiliates) completly disposed of.

The funny thing here that the affs consider themselves as useful while in reality they just waste their time because you would get better results without them.

BTW you kind of suck Pumacat because i actually hoped getting kicked from this board too and then say goodbye to the gambling world forever because the nitro energy drain is immense and far beyond any healthy level and even if i am well aware how to go about it it's probably time to quit this hobby now and do something less time consuming and more useful...

[universal4]

Nitro,

If you feel that the energy drain is too much of a strain to post, then why do you continue?

Many of us disagree that rogues would not survive without affiliates.

Some of us believe that some of the rogues have been stifled to a degree because affiliates campaign against them.

Have we gotten rid of them completly? No.

Can more be done? Yes.

If you want to say goodbye to the Gambling-World, no one is stopping you, as you have been given that choice.

Rick
Universal4

[nitro]

Nitro,
If you feel that the energy drain is too much of a strain to post, then why do you continue?

The energy is in the postings. And because it's actually quite a lot it's probably the best choice to discontinue something which develops into a never ending story.

Many of us disagree that rogues would not survive without affiliates.

You may not sense that yet but there is not the slightest chance to stay independent issues like the above (and lot more) aren't resolved. Given the current arrangement i will give 1-3 years for the private sector either ending up as a part of state monopolies or being torn apart.