Not Wanted Anymore

[pgaming]

Interesting Renee I do use WebCeo on occasion for a simple ping test. Not often though but it does show in the stats. But I do know the hits/downloads I created and the ones I did not.

Dam good program IMO.

greek39

[universal4]

I think he took a little less than 3 dozen links and sibmitted them 1000 times....that would put it in the 10's of thousands....lol

This is not true affiliate marketing and I am shocked he got much in the way of traffic at all....and mny guess is that it is almost all bot traffic.

Rick
Universal4

[Renee]

A quick search on the project honey pot site for a couple of the IP addresses used here also shows that they are all either a bot network or a collection of compromised PCs. No matter which way I'm looking at it it just doesn't look good.

[Solayka]

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[DaftDog]

An old saying that goes something like "There's none so deaf as they that will not hear." could be changed to "There's none so stupid as they that will not understand."

As stated previously in this thread:
1) You cannot submit your affiliate link to search engines.
2) You can only submit your web page url's (addresses) that contain the affiliate links. So first of all you need your own website that people can visit that will have gambling related content pages. On these pages you insert your affiliate links.

Do yourself a favour and view a few casino and poker affiliate websites to see how it's done. It's not that difficult even for a newbie.

Edit: A better proverb would be "There are none so blind as those that will not see."

[universal4]

We've directly listed all available links/URLs in a text file on our separate systems ,all provided by the RA affiliate program .These URLs/links add up to a total of over 188 per account ,submitted to search engines through WebCEO .

From day one many have tired to get you to understand that is the entire problem right there.

We've added all different language pages to every engine and directory ,as people of nationalities are living all over the world ,so it's not wrong to give them a chance to search for a site in their own language

No you haven't, all you have done is flood google with links to Rewards Affiliate's partner casinos, (google already knows about them)

The main problem here is that you do NOT understand how to market affiliate programs. All you have done is send the engines' bots out to spider the casino websites following your affiliate links....

The most hurting thing at the moment is, I have to tell Casino Jack he was wrong about Renée

You are dead wrong here. Renee is trying to help you, as are many others here, but you do not want to learn what it takes to be a real casino affiliate.

There are litterally hundreds of thousands of posts here (with the public and private areas combined) and thousands more at a few other top forums, and at each and every one of these forums are people that will help explain things and help you learn what you need to become more successful in this business.

But you have to open you mind and listen to what others are trying to tell you. You can't sit there and stay so closed-minded that you refuse to understand that the way you are "submitting" your links is wrong.

There is no need to post your list of links if they are only the affiliate links, we all have them, the only thing that changes is the affid.

Rick
Universal4

[Chips]

So, what you are saying Solayka is: You took the links that are obtained from the RA affilaite panel, and then submitted the link (that is your affiliate tag) to the search engines? Is this correct?

If so, here is the error of your ways, the links that you obtain from an affiliate program are to be used on your website, blog, emails, and in advertising methods. Once you have them inserted into your document, when a visitor to your page, blog, reader og the email, clicks on the link it tracks the person to you. When they sign up and generate revenues you get a portion of the revenues generated (that is rev share) or when they deposit and play XX amonunt of dollars (as defined in the terms of the program) you get a CPA (cost per aquisition) commission.

Now back to the search engines, once you have the page or blog written and live on the web, you take the url of the page from your website and submit it to the search engine.

You do not take the trackers (url's with your affiliate indentifier in it) and directly submit it to the search engines. This does absolutely nothing to build revenues and all the hits that the casino, book, poker room get would be from the search engine spiders/bots, that are looking at what you told them was a new page/article. You can not make cash from a search engine bot.

In review, sign up to a program, write a review, display a banner or two on your website and then submit the page to the search engine. This way when a user searches for your keywords, with any luck (and skill) your page shows up and you get a visitor. They read the information on your site and due to your excellent skills, they are persuaded to click a link you provided and start playing at the advertised site.

Side note: Renee is one of the top affiliate managers in the industry, she is well regarded and has been the reciepient of numerous awards for her due dilligence.

I hope this is #1 what happened, and #2 helps to clarify to you, how to be an affiliate.

[elgoog]

Solayka,

you can not submit an url/link like
goldenreefcasino.com/referral.asp?aff_id=affxxxxx
to the searchengines.....

you must submit a website (with that url/link on it)

[Solayka]

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[elgoog]

Maybe you mist these posts while posting yourself

https://www.gpwa.org/forum/not-wante...tml#post534358
and the short version below it

[Renee]

@ Ixian ,

it just looks like you love to make people feel worse when they're looking for an answer to a question or a solution ,so I'm just going to pretend your reaction isn't there .


@ Universal4 ,

you r last reply is the first one of great help to us ,thx .

your first reaction is that the by RA provided URLs are okay ,but after all the WebCEO submission software has been a great error as our first choice .Have you got any advise on software to create our own pages/sites ?.


The second reaction is about what you call "the flooding" of the search engines .As mentioned before ,this was our first attempt ,and creating other means to promote the programs wasn't possible ,as our accounts were locked without any information about what seemed to have done wrong ,or what went wrong in facts .If that had been the case ,we could have had a chance to change what we'd done wrong ,and we could have corrected the errors before the accounts were locked .

The fact URLs/links without an "affid" ,had to be put on our tab hasn't been explained to us at all .We've got no bots ,compromised servers ,iframes or what else was thrown in accusations in our direction .Why this just had to be thrown in our direction may always stay a group of question marks .

About Renée ,we've had private contact too ,and I've asked her to please check the lists of by RA provided URLs/links ,what could have been wrong with them .She didn't tell us anything about the RA URLs/links in her last reply .The only thing she told us was our accounts won't be re-opened or re-activated .

After all these messages here ,and the email contact outside GPWA ,we still don't know what went wrong with these URLs about bots and iframes and stuff .

This last reaction from your side is the first one we can learn from ,

thx

You're right, I did tell you that we would not be reopening your accounts. I also said in the email that I have responded to your thread on the forum. This was so that everyone can see what's going on since you decided to post instead of getting in touch with me first.

And I did exactly that.. please go back and read what I posted. I posted every piece of information needed... I posted and told you that you should NEVER submit your affiliate links to these types of programs and told you exactly why your accounts would not be reopened, however here is a recap...

First and foremost, affiliate links, which is what you sent me in the text file (yes i did look at them and I posted that here), should NEVER be submitted to these directories. These directories are to submit YOUR NEW sites, not ours. Ours are already in there. By submitting our URLs, you have likely done some damage to our own rankings etc. This is the first reason.

Secondly, I have used WebCEO. So has almost every person in our office. I know how it works. When you submit URLs, WebCEO gives you a whole list of user-agents. So for them not to have a user-agent means that you would have had to physically mess with the program and unless there was malicious intent here, there is no reason whatsoever that you would ever need to do that!

Regarding the compromised machines/bot network - this is where your hits are coming from and the project honey pot site doesn't lie. You can check it yourself by putting your own IP address in there. These hits are coming from various malicious locations...

Lastly, don't try to make anyone here feel guilty for telling you how it is. You came in here screaming murder that we closed your accounts for no reason without first contacting me in whatever way you could... I have a phone, msn, icq, aim, yahoo listed on our site, as well as the function of a PM here. So there's no reason why you couldn't have contacted me on any of those if I did not reply to an email.

I'm also telling everyone why we closed your accounts: because it actually looks like you've directly tried to harm US, and people are going to be angry with you for this. You have given me no reason to believe otherwise. Saying you are new and didn't know doesn't fly with me here simply because of the means it would take to have a hit with no user agent, let alone thousands.

If you decide to post again, go back and read everything that has been posted to you before coming back saying no-one has told you anything. You have been told.

[Renee]

So, what you are saying Solayka is: You took the links that are obtained from the RA affilaite panel, and then submitted the link (that is your affiliate tag) to the search engines? Is this correct?

This is exactly correct, only Solayka has submitted every single link on our site including splash pages and download links etc..

[Solayka]

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[Renee]

HI Renée ,

You tell me to make contact with you first ,and I have done that ,because Yaniv ,who ,nobody could have known ,as it's his personal life ,was getting married just at the same time we had the trouble with our accounts .

After not receiving any reply from Yaniv we contacted you ,and you told me you haven't received it ,or maybe must have lost it in the spam folder .After this ,and looking at GPWA ,I lost it .You've been online several times ,and I didn't get any reaction from two of the three persons in charge of leading the programs .

You also referred to using a phone ,that's big no for me ,as my vocal cords and other parts are on their end (the capital C is working my body) and I can't use them for a conversation of more than five or six words ,as that hurts too much .This is something from me you couldn't have known ,so I'll just act like that hasn't been written in your reply to me .

When there is something wrong with the URLs ,and there are strange conections coming from nowhere ,I can't help you ,or myself ,as I'm glad to be able to work with the computer ,and surely no whizz like the younger people among us .It would be stupid to try to harm RA ,as it wouldn't make any sense to do that .If I'd tried to hurt RA,it wouldn't have brought you ,RA or us anything .

In my entire life I've never done anything to hurt anybody ,as it doesn't bring anything for anybody ,al parties will loose ,one way or the other .

The only reason for me to try to start promoting online casinos and poker sites is an attempt to help my partner to create a save future .Personally I will not see anything of what might be earned ,because the first chance for me to build something which looks like a future for myself will be the first day they've at least got certified C-medication ,a new throat ,new vocal cords and a set of longs in store for me at the same time .

So ,now the cat's out of the bag ,or what do they name it ,doesn't matter ,you'll know what I mean with that .

After all ,the entrance of the search engine submission was the wrong end of the line ,the way we tried it .Almost every link is dead now ,so they will disappear within a couple of weeks ,fortunatly .Even without the RA programs I'll certainly try to create my partner a better future ,promoting one brand of programs or the other ,as she's all I've got left ,and I don't want to leave her behind without a nice bank account when she's alone .

For what has been written ,and might have hurt you ,Yaniv or RA ,I'm sorry ,I apologize ,I'm not to proud to do that .

Almost everybody would feel hurt when he or she tries to contact people for certain important information ,and has to wait for about ten days to find out the contacts are online almost every day ,but don't reply to the sent message during those days .

Computers can help you on many areas ,but they won't tell you your contact is getting married ,and that your other contact isn't receiving the message because it was dropped in the spam box .

Thank you for this last message ,and thx to Universal4 ,once again ,as he has made some points perfectly clear also .

OK totally fair point mate, some people just can't use the phone, but as I said earlier, there were 5 other methods like msn, icq, aim, yahoo and a PM here.. you could have also posted publicly saying "Renee I have sent you an email, would you mind looking out for it" or something like that.. most people know that spam filters are harsh these days and if I haven't replied to an email they will either contact me another way, or send the email again...
This is precisely the reason why i have so many methods of contact, so there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to contact me.

I also have the same problem contacting some affiliates... which is why we ask for so many details in your affiliate account. So many emails bounce or do not go through these days it is impossible not to have alternative methods of contact. If I try to contact an affiliate by email once and they don't get back to me, I will write an email with nothing else in the body except for "Hey did you get my last email?" because that is bound to go through. At least that way someone can look out for it if they didnt get it the first time.
If email fails, I try the phone or any instant messenger programs I have details for. etc etc..

Yaniv is generally pretty prompt with his responses also, even when not in the office, so my guess is that your email went to his spam box.

Also, being a new affiliate, the correct thing to do would probably have been to contact us before submitting all your links to find out the best way to move forward. Another option would have been to post here asking affiliates for some advice because you're a newbie.

Other than that, you didn't read any of the posts I made telling you exactly why we closed your accounts..

There's nothing else I can do here. Sorry if this seems harsh but as I mentioned earlier, from our end no matter what way we look at it, it does not look good.. and for that reason we can't afford to risk it.

[Solayka]

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[Renee]

http://www.mywot.com/en/forum/2026-n...y?comment=7278

[pgaming]

Holy Crap Renee what Solayka has done is not good. Dam sakes it is a freaken bowl, spamdexing all sorts of things.

A total Bot dump which IMO WebCeo is capable of. Wonder if Solayka has any clue the potential damage this could, may, have caused to CR.

I would call it link spam and believe or not they actually sometimes get indexed.

Good call Renee locker down and keep them honest.

greek39

[Renee]

Perhaps since Solayka decided to remove every single post he made and noone who views it can see what the original thread was even about, the thread should be closed. It makes no sense to keep a thread open that no longer has any meaning to it. Any new viewers will just be confused.

Michael perhaps you can make it so that posts cannot be edited like this? To me, this thread has now been a huge waste of my time and I don't see any purpose posting somewhere where the crucial information is going to be removed later anyway.

[GamTrak]

Perhaps since Solayka decided to remove every single post he made and noone who views it can see what the original thread was even about, the thread should be closed. It makes no sense to keep a thread open that no longer has any meaning to it. Any new viewers will just be confused.

Michael perhaps you can make it so that posts cannot be edited like this? To me, this thread has now been a huge waste of my time and I don't see any purpose posting somewhere where the crucial information is going to be removed later anyway.

I have my forum setup to only allow editing 15 minutes after you post. I feel that is a good measure. Any requests that fall outside that window can be made and I will attempt to accomodate the member, but it depends on what is to be edited.

I can see why he would want to remove the stuff, but that is not cool.

[universal4]

I like to be able to edit my posts, and this usually does not happen...so I feel no need to change it.

Rick
Universal4