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[Solayka]

Question has been answered by Renée

[elgoog]

Hi,welcome to the forums,

Your post is puzzling me...

You submitted 33000 urls to the searchengines?
How many websites do you have and wich ones?


Do i understand correctly, you cannot login anymore in your rewrdsaff account?

[TheGooner]

Rewards affiliates are a pretty good lot. So to take this action it would have to be something serious.

Because you have not provided websites or URLS to check the content - it's hard to say:

But to speculate ... 33,000 URLs? That's a lot of content. And almost impossible for it to be original.

The only thing that I can think of offhand is that perhaps your affiliate account was identified as using stolen content? Sounds like a possible scrape and post system going on - using other peoples content and posting your own affiliate links?

I've seen these sort of "robotic" created sites before - and if it was this situation then I'd applaud Reward Affiliates for not allowing piracy to profit.

[LiveCasinoPartners]

After all our hard work ,and over 33000 (thirtythreethousand) URLs submitted to search engines and directories we now feel deeply abused .Trying to give the best you can ,and this is what you get for it at Rewards Affiliates .As an extra boost in promoting these programs we had already created Sitemaps in html ,xml and txt for al their sites .

I agree with Gooner. What you are suggesting is certainly outside of the "normal" profile for a white-hat webmaster. I can't possibly see you generating so much content, and still say you are "submitting 33000 URLS to search engines". Either it's scrapped content, or you need to read more posts on SEO.

Can you give us more info?

[pompeyrayuk]

Since we've submitted all URLs we could find (the ones with our affiliate links in them) to the most popular ,the largest and the most influencial search engines and directories we've checked our site information at Rewards Affiliates from time to time ,and on Alexa ,checking the site rankings ,the number of viewers per week ,per month and stuff made available by Alexa .

Sounds to me like they have submitted their affiliate links for each and every Rewards Affiliate casino and poker clients to all the submission sites they could.

33 000 is still a hell of a lot though

[Betpartners]

33000???? that is an extreme amount of url's, there's more to this than meets the eye i am sure.

I am sure Reward affiliates would be glad of that promotion unless some rules were broken, doubt they would close an account without sound reasons.

Bet when we finally hear the reasons it will be a case of what did you expect

[pgaming]

Please excuse me if this is the wrong area to put this message ,but I want to ask everybody who has taken time to read this ,have you also been so abused by Rewards Affiliates ?.

Never they are one of the best programs around.

greek39

[casinojack]

Though 33,000 sounds huge it may not be. I am not sure if it is 33,000 URLS, or links they submitted. When I was an affiliate I had over 60,000 links at some point. IS a lot of work, and no, I did not break any terms myself, though I am not sure what this affiliate was doing.


I Used to be an affiliate of Renee's company, and they are top notch. I am sure this will be responded too..

[casinobonusguy]

I was thinking they have 33,000 urls for casinorewards on their sites.We have over 10,000 Links going to fortune affiliates programs From ONE website as it has several thousands pages and fortune is our main program we promote.

[universal4]

None of it has anything to do with the thread being in AGD's forum.

I recommend CityGuard make the decision to move this or not.

Rick
Universal4

[hazo]

I don't think OP knows what he's talking about. Obviously all the talk about Alexa means he is most likely using 1995 methods of getting thousands of links.

Nothing to see here.

[Renee]

Hi all

On March 16, we detected over 500 referral hits from numerous IP addresses to this affiliate's links - all of which had no referrer URL and no user agent in the HTTP headers and therefore, we feel the clicks/inbound links are robotic and we took the appropriate action. The accounts were closed on March 16, 2009 and no sooner.

Just for further clarification for those who are not savvy on what I have said above, basically the only reasons a hit will come in without a referral URL is if it is a scrape, a script or a robot.

A user-agent will always be present unless it's contained in an iframe. We do not allow iframes.

So considering all above, this is also link spam and there is no human readable directory that would cause both of the above to occur.

Re emails - I don't have any emails from the affiliate (they could have gone to my spam folder). Yaniv has been out of the office for the last week because he got married yesterday and will not be back until next Monday so he may have been busy over the last week and unable to forward me your email, or it could have simply landed in his spam box.

Also we have about 1000 other ways of contact apart from email including msn, icq, yahoo, aim, and phone.
There are 3 of us and all of our details are listed on the affiliate site. So Helene or I could both have been contacted by other ways too..

Solayka for the above reasons your affiliate account will remain closed.

If there are any other questions from anyone about my explanation above, or if any examples are required, please let em know.
Cheers

[raphnix]

None of it has anything to do with the thread being in AGD's forum.

I recommend CityGuard make the decision to move this or not.

Rick
Universal4

I agree. I think this post should be moved in more related section like in https://www.gpwa.org/forum/affiliate...ions-info.html.

[Solayka]

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[sipka]

Maybe I'm dumb, but I don't understand this, what kind of URLs were submitted to where, if you submit your affiliate links to search engines you won't go too far with it, why not build a website and list your affiliate links there and submit your website to SEs?

And the first thing I would suggest to new affiliates to avoid automated SEO programs at all costs, usually they do more harm than good.

I guess that because of the submissions Rewards Affiliates couldn't get a referrer, for example if you are using Digg, it makes an automated crawl of the submitted page and if Solayka submitted his/her affiliate URL then the referrers might have been missing.

I'm sure Renee will help you to identify what was the problem and how not to do it anymore.

[Chips]

Well this has be 100% baffled, I have only been in the "biz" for about 2 years (I think that would remove me from the noob class) but from what I see the claim of being a newbie yet using some kind of automated or bot, who knows I have not a clue of what was done to generate the traffic to RA.

If you a re a true newbie to the affiliate world, how in the heck did you develop such a program that would create a ban from one of the top affiliate programs in the market? I know when I started out, I was a babe in the woods and had no clue as to what to do.

Someone enlighten me...

[universal4]

The only thing what went wrong ,and that's what I've changed two times ,is the setup of the URLs ,as they didn't work after first submission .At Google ,Alexa ,MSN and Yahoo the SES services read that dead links will be deleted after a couple of weeks ,depending on when the crawlers ,bots or spiders will reach the URL .So ,taking that into account we've re-submitted the URLs in an other setup .The wrong URLs must be taken offline by the search engines and directories in the meantime ,the right ones ,over 33000 links/URLs in almost 100 search engines and directories have been submitted with special SES software ,and no unethical actions have been accomplished ,as we were ,and still are sure we can promote all your programs the normal ways .The night we were locked out was the night we were planning on creating sitemaps in XML ,html and txt ,to start increasing the promotional actions .

Numerous times you keep mentioning these 33,000 urls that you are submitting. Exactly what are these urls? Can you give us an example of a few?

There are penty of large portal sites out there, but rarely (if ever) is there a site that contains 33,000 pages that at least a few of us here wouldn't recognize.

33,000 pages is a fairly good size site and there is no way that a site of this size could be sitting on the internet that at least a few of us hadn't taken notice to.

What you are telling about clicks without referrer URLs or user agents totally passes us by ,as we've only submitted all URLs/links to the search engines ,as this looked like the most logical and standard first step in online promotions ,as about 85% of the found sites ,pages and programs is found through search engines .

You are correct, PAGES are found this way, but you stated you are submitting urls, excatly what urls are you submitting to google?

Your affiliate link?

Your affiliate links point to the casino's websites, and the casinos website's are not yours....they are owned by the casinos themselves, so you should NOT be submitting any pages that are not yours.

The only thing I can do is send you a complete list with all URLs we've submitted to the search engines ,maybe you can check out what is wrong with them ,as we don't see it .All our submitted URLs do have an affiliate signature/code .

That's just it, if all you are doing is "submitting" you affiliate urls to the engines, then you are not marketing the links properly. First oif all, there is nowhere NEAR 33,000 links available. There is a direct link and a download link for each of the properties, so that only comes to a few dozen, where do you get 33,000?

For the past few days you ahve come here and demanded answers to a problem that you have yet to give full details about.

Not once have you given an example of a link (that is yours) that you have "submitted".

How about a link to this website you have that contains the 33,000 pages?

Rick
Universal4

[Renee]

The links the affiliate has sent me are affiliate links indeed, however there are definitely not 33,000 there so I'm not sure where the others are coming from..
As I mentioned earlier, this is link spam and your affiliate links should never be submitted like this. As one affiliate described earlier, they point to the casino and do more harm than good TO US.
You should be submitting your own site to these programs, not ours.

To give a little more detail about user-agents and no referrer URL

Basically if a hit comes from somewhere human generated there will be a referrer URL. Unless its a scrape, a script or a robot.. Scrapes, scripts and robots can potentially be harmful, which is why we block any traffic coming from somewhere without a referrer URL..

For example, if from GPWA I click one of the affiliate links in a banner up the top for say CPays, which is the banner showing to me right now, the referrer link will be
https://www.gpwa.org/forum/newreply....ote=1&p=534252 since thats the page I'm leaving to go to the cpays link...

The user-agent is generally the browser you are coming from. So it might be firefox 3.0 or internet explorer 8.0 or something like that... the only way there will be NO user-agent is if the hit is coming from within an iframe, and since we do not allow iframes (we have a script that breaks them actually), theres no reason why any hits should be coming in without one.. unless they are malicious.

I'm sure there are some affiliates out there who could give even more explanations, perhaps I'm a bit too technical here, but basically thats it in a nutshell..

So to re-iterate, we do not accept traffic with these characteristics because 99.99% of the time they are malicious. I have never seen a single one of these requests come through that was not malicious.

[pgaming]

Automated link spam IMO. As Rick suggested would be nice to see a sample. But I suppose Solayka cannot provide this info because the automation would not give an return address.

greek39

[Renee]

I should also add that WebCEO offers a drop down menu of valid user agents and the configuration would have to be modified to have a NULL user agent. This would not have to be done unless the intention was not good.