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    Please give a warm welcome to Affiliate4You!
    We are pleased to welcome them to the GPWA community as a Platinum sponsor!


    A little about the program:
    Affiliate4You is a new affiliate program, representing the sites on the Casino4U software platform. The sites include Lucky Time Casino, Big Bank Casino, Casino Moon Beach, Casino Rodeo, and Casino-Russia. The program offers a 25%-50% tiered revenue share and a 3% subaffiliate commission. The program offers affiliate support in five languages and the sites accept players worldwide.


    Affiliate Program Management:
    >> Marin Stipanich, Public Relations for Lucky Time Casino - Marin goes by Luckytime Marin in the forum and can be reached by email at marin@affiliate4you.org.
    >> Petr Myachin, Casino Manager for Lucky Time Casino - Petr goes by Luckytime in the forum and can be reached by email at petr@affiliate4you.org.

    Signing up or Additional Info
    To sign up, just fill out the Affiliate4You registration form here.

    Or, for additional information about the program, visit the Affiliate4You program review or the Affiliate4You forum section.
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    Please give a warm welcome to Affiliate4You!
    We are pleased to welcome them to the GPWA community as a Platinum sponsor!


    A little about the program:
    Affiliate4You is a new affiliate program, representing three sites from the Casino4U software platform. The sites include Lucky Time Casino, Big Bank Casino, Casino Moon Beach, Casino Rodeo, and Casino-Russia. The program offers a 25%-50% tiered revenue share and a 3% subaffiliate commission. The program offers affiliate support in five languages and the sites accept players worldwide.
    What licensing jurisdiction issues the casinos licenses? Alderney, IOM, LGA etc.?

    Also, any idea what company tested the casino games RNG and algo's?

    I couldn't find any of that info on their affiliate site or any of the casino sites either.

    Are those questions that you ask the programs when you guys are vetting them?

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    esenting three sites from the Casino4U software platform. The sites include Lucky Time Casino, Big Bank Casino, Casino Moon Beach, Casino Rodeo, and Casino-Russia.
    ....ummmm I count 5, which 3 are on that software?

    and the sites accept players worldwide
    That mean US Players?

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    Also got another question about your "Platinum sponsor"....

    Before the GPWA decides to accept a sponsor, do you guys that are 'vetting' them actually find out who is behind the program, who owns the casinos...etc. etc.?

    Personally I think this should be one of the prerequisites that you guys would now require of new program sponsors considering all the recent fiasco's involving BetUS and others!

    I'm also kinda surprised that there are not more affiliates asking the same questions here considering all the scamming that is going on now with a lot of programs.

    It's sad to see that I am the only one here at GPWA that is asking these types of questions...

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    Just incase anyone is curious about the above questions I have asked...

    The simple reason is this, the GPWA represents thousands of affiliates as well as affiliate programs. I have personally signed up thru the GPWA's program links to many of their sponsors over the past several years.

    I think all of those questions that I have asked above are very VALID ones and as such I do hope that Steven or Michael will answer those, afterall, the GPWA is putting their stamp of approval on these programs and how do we really know that these new sponsors will not do a runner on us all just as BetUS have recently done?

    Affiliates in the BetUS threads here are asking the GPWA for any info that the GPWA has on who is behind BetUS but the GPWA has not responded to those questions...thus, the question above regarding ownership knowledge.

    I believe all of those questions above to only be fair and valid questions considering the GPWA will most likely have hundreds of affiliates (if not thousands) signing up to these programs thru their links here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by universal4 View Post
    ....ummmm I count 5, which 3 are on that software?
    That was me posting hastily. The program is the in-house program for the software platform, akin to the role Virtue Affiliates plays for Virtue Fusion or Uffiliates plays for the Dragonfish licensees. "Three" was supposed to be "the", as in "representing the sites from the Casino4U software platform". I've edited my original post to correct the error.


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    That mean US Players?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGamblingGuru View Post
    What licensing jurisdiction issues the casinos licenses? Alderney, IOM, LGA etc.?

    Also, any idea what company tested the casino games RNG and algo's?
    The company that operates the sites is licensed in the U.K. Since the U.K. business license signaled a reputable jurisdiction to me, I have not yet separately asked whether the casinos themselves are licensed in additional locations. I will ask about the software quality assurance processes they use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGamblingGuru View Post
    Before the GPWA decides to accept a sponsor, do you guys that are 'vetting' them actually find out who is behind the program, who owns the casinos...etc. etc.?
    We require several types of verification during the joining process. In terms of ownership verification, we require details to identify the registered company and that the sponsorship agreement - including code of conduct - notes the name of an authorized representative of the company. I check the company registration details in the relevant country's company registration database in cases were the company's domicile provides such a database. Older sponsors did not all go through this process but it is something that has done for all new sponsors for about the past year (maybe two years now).

    I think the intent of some of the questions here is to understand whether there is actually a process involved. If it helps to answer that underlying question, you may be interested to know there were two programs this week alone where I've told them we can't work with them at this stage. In one case it is a matter of needing some additional information and commitments to transparency from them. In the other case it is payment problems from three years ago where it appears some may remain open and I'm in the initial stage of verifying if everything has been addressed.
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    Thanks for the thoroughness in answering my questions above Steven, it's much appreciated!

    Questions and answers like those above I believe will help new affiliates as well as older ones understand the vetting pocess that you and others here at the GPWA put forth before bringing new programs onboard.

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    We are glad we become a GPWA Platinum sponsor one of most important Webmasters. I am glad TheGamblingGuru asked about vetting, to become GPWA Platinum Sponsor certainly is not easy and far from that scammers can join. Behind our program stands fair, dedicated and enthusiastic team which passed verficiation process. Our goal is to reach status one of best online casinos. To reach this goal, we have to go through long and not easy way, we want to become a brand in gambling world. I want to highlight one more question TheGamblingGuru asked. I consider it very important, it is big problem today in online world. We have a solution for it. We offer threeside agreement between Affiliate4you.org, affiliates and payment system Express-merchants (Express-merchants.com) which guarantee payouts you earned. We can make an agreemnet in written form so our affiliates could play without any risk and could feel safe with Affiliate4you.org. Longterm cooperation and our affiliates happines is what we hope to reach. For any questions, please contact Marin or Peter.
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    Hello everybody!

    I am Marin and I am member of Affiliate4you team. As Peter said we are new on the market but with You and our dedicated work we are planning to have long term success with affiliates and keep your casino players happy! My email is Marin@affiliate4you.org and for any questions I am on your service.

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    I would re-write the affiliate program content on the website, it's not the best if you are hoping to attract affiliates with a basic knowledge of English.

    "After all your hopes about winning are gone only in Russia with last penny you can win super jackpot! Even Dostoevsky and Pushkin were writing stories about Russian hazard and left it in heritage. Feel story and visit Casino-Russia.com"

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    Quote Originally Posted by oc+ View Post
    I would re-write the affiliate program content on the website, it's not the best if you are hoping to attract affiliates with a basic knowledge of English.

    "After all your hopes about winning are gone only in Russia with last penny you can win super jackpot! Even Dostoevsky and Pushkin were writing stories about Russian hazard and left it in heritage. Feel story and visit Casino-Russia.com"

    Just looks a little rushed perhaps..

    We will re-write this point for increasing business contacts and long-term cooperation , thanks.

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    the casino terms and conditions are also challenging to read

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    Is there more information on the licensing and the software used?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGamblingGuru View Post
    What licensing jurisdiction issues the casinos licenses? Alderney, IOM, LGA etc.?
    Also, any idea what company tested the casino games RNG and algo's?

    I couldn't find any of that info on their affiliate site or any of the casino sites either.
    I searched for these important facts too and, nope they are not listed at the casinos nor on the affiliate site.

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    Since the U.K. business license signaled a reputable jurisdiction to me, I have not yet separately asked whether the casinos themselves are licensed in additional locations. I will ask about the software quality assurance processes they use.
    Just because a company is registered in the UK for business trading, when did that circumnavigate the necessity for due dilgence on the part of the GPWA in checking all sponsor programs of the casinos they represent, making 100% sure these online venues hold legit gaming licenses in an industry recognised jurisdiction?

    (besides, it's not that hard to grab a shelf company in the UK so using that as a yard stick is just slack imo)...

    Further more, why is licensing, RNG and game auditing details not a prerequisite in the GPWA sponsorship approval process?

    No point asking those question now Steve, the GPWA has already approved them

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    the GPWA represents thousands of affiliates as well as affiliate programs....afterall, the GPWA is putting their stamp of approval on these programs and how do we really know that these new sponsors will not do a runner on us all just as BetUS have recently done?
    In a nut shell...The GPWA at this point in time is, just as clueless as affiliates whether or not the actually casinos are licensed or if their RNG and games have been audited...and if so what are these details?

    These are valid questions...
    When or if everything turns sour it's not the GPWA who loses, it's affiliates (of this association) who get shafted by not being paid.

    Edit: In regards to the gaming software, I can't name it but it's definately not new. I checked out the bonus slots and one game stood out...Zorro, a 25 payline. I've seen that game somewhere else and the others these casinos are using. As fas as I could tell these are flash based casinos only. Which makes its hard to find references to the casino games in Google. However maybe someone will know who I'm talking about!

    A bit more digging and the casino software is: http://www.b3wgroup.com/

    http://online.casinocity.com/software/b3w-group/
    http://online.casinocity.com/casinos/casino-moon-beach/

    Whilst over at:
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    Thanks for that research Dave...damn interesting what the "Wizard of Odds" had to say about this software!! Too bad the GPWA does not do more thorough research before accepting money from a new program!

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