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    Quote Originally Posted by antihacker View Post
    I understand you are saying this. It used to be me saying it. But 'behind the scenes' things are happening. If I get my way, all of this will be over sooner rather than later. It is not just a matter of 'kicking out a program'. It is a lot more complex.

    Let's be positive and proactive instead of negative. Shall we?

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    Ok no problem, I believe you

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    Quote Originally Posted by GCG View Post
    Ok no problem, I believe you
    Thanks! I can tell you that even though Michael is on the road, I now do have direct contact with him nearly on a daily basis, and he IS taking actions and does care a lot. I've presented him with my view on a REAL solution how we can solve this for now, and in the future with a thorough plan and extensive measures.

    It will take some time.

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    It is disappointing that some programs require personal discussions at conferences to make this issue "real" for them, but honestly it doesn't surprise me at all. If my experience showed me only one casino - or a few - that responded slowly when I came to them with a serious problem I'd put it down to a failing in that specific casino(s), but time and time again I find that when I approach casino after casino the response is well.... stalled. When I get to the right person, which can take weeks of work, suddenly things accelerate, but the truth is that many people outside of the network - which included myself before I started actively working on player complaints - expect things to happen far faster than is realistically (not ideally) feasible.
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    There was an announcement recently from GPWA in case anyone missed it. A notice was sent to all programs in Casino City's vast database including the following:

    From the perspective of the GPWA, the ethics of the situation for an affiliate program are quite simple. Our affiliate program code of conduct states that an affiliate program “will not use unethical methods of promotion either directly or indirectly through others.” Working with this affiliate violates the code of conduct since it constitutes indirectly supporting and directly benefiting from very deliberate criminal hacking activity, which is an unethical method of promotion. Additionally, depending on you licensing jurisdiction, engaging with this affiliate may not be permitted under the terms of your operating license.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thepogg
    It is disappointing that some programs require personal discussions at conferences to make this issue "real" for them, but honestly it doesn't surprise me at all.
    I want to say I adamantly oppose the idea that programs need face to face conference time to resolve issues. What a tangled frustrating web that would weave if we had to wait for conference meetings. Particularly since conf organizers hold no responsibility who they take booth money from. I have heard this talk before of waiting to "meet face to face" and it's frankly the worst scenario. It's stalling and more stalling. Then some stalling while waiting for more stalling. I appreciate personal meetings but it should not impede on resolving things in a timely manner. There has to be a better way. IMO
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    Looks like the hacker is at it again.

    When I typed in ''long harbour casino'' review these links came up. To be honest it looks very suspicious to me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo View Post
    I want to say I adamantly oppose the idea that programs need face to face conference time to resolve issues. What a tangled frustrating web that would weave if we had to wait for conference meetings. Particularly since conf organizers hold no responsibility who they take booth money from. I have heard this talk before of waiting to "meet face to face" and it's frankly the worst scenario. It's stalling and more stalling. Then some stalling while waiting for more stalling. I appreciate personal meetings but it should not impede on resolving things in a timely manner. There has to be a better way. IMO

    I'd agree that there should be a better way than this, the point I was trying to make is that in my experience the reality differs from what is to be ideally preferred.

    Think of it like this - if I'm dealing with a player complaint and the casino are being slow to respond, will the player benefit more if I rush out a negative report against the casino which is likely to close down my lines of communication with the casino or is it better to hold on as long as I think there's any reasonable possibility of reaching a resolution?

    Bringing this situation back on track - is it better that GPWA rush to pull sponsors down or wait as long as they feel it's feasible that a resolution can be reached? If they rush to take sponsors down lines of communication will unquestionably break down. They will be perceived by the affiliate community to be taking strong action in support of affiliates, but does that really do affiliates the most good? For me the most good would be stopping this individual and the most effective way of doing that seems to be restricting the pool of vendors they can work with. That being the case keeping the lines of communication open until such time as there are no further avenues to discuss (i.e. conferences) would seem the best way of helping the community. Unfortunately taking that road can often lead to the perception of being on the casino's side or stalling to keep sponsorship money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cass View Post
    Looks like the hacker is at it again.

    When I typed in ''long harbour casino'' review these links came up. To be honest it looks very suspicious to me.


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    Hi Cass,

    Thank you for letting me know about this.

    I can confirm that our affiliate program doesn't have any deals with affiliate verifiedcasinos. If he was part of my affiliate database, then I would terminate his account immediately. This guy is hacking brands randomly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thepogg View Post
    I'd agree that there should be a better way than this, the point I was trying to make is that in my experience the reality differs from what is to be ideally preferred.

    Think of it like this - if I'm dealing with a player complaint and the casino are being slow to respond, will the player benefit more if I rush out a negative report against the casino which is likely to close down my lines of communication with the casino or is it better to hold on as long as I think there's any reasonable possibility of reaching a resolution?

    Bringing this situation back on track - is it better that GPWA rush to pull sponsors down or wait as long as they feel it's feasible that a resolution can be reached? If they rush to take sponsors down lines of communication will unquestionably break down. They will be perceived by the affiliate community to be taking strong action in support of affiliates, but does that really do affiliates the most good? For me the most good would be stopping this individual and the most effective way of doing that seems to be restricting the pool of vendors they can work with. That being the case keeping the lines of communication open until such time as there are no further avenues to discuss (i.e. conferences) would seem the best way of helping the community. Unfortunately taking that road can often lead to the perception of being on the casino's side or stalling to keep sponsorship money.

    I never said to rush or any of those things. I feel you're putting words in my mouth and missed the point.

    Many of us help players on a regular basis for years now. No rushing needed but a reasonable time frame to resolve matters is expected.

    What your saying is at the other end of the spectrum between dragging it on and rushing to action. I was looking for somewhere in the middle. Perhaps we need a time frame protocol. If there is no results from current meetings do we wait months for the next conference?

    This thread is going on two months old. I don't blame the GPWA as I don't think many of us realized the severity. Now that we do, we are seeing livelihoods at stake. Often times good things come out of severe situations and we will know what to do if there is a next time.

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    The truth remains the same regardless of whether you choose to report it.

    That being said, sometimes it takes backing a program into a corner before results can be obtained. If a program is playing dumb, or putting their blinders on, or being unethical - say so! Make a note if you don't wish to go totally negative. However, holding out on writing the truth in fear of the negotiations being cut short does not work. You only fool yourself into thinking you have control by dangling that one last egg in front of them (the truth). A reluctance to act gives the program the control - not the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo View Post
    I never said to rush or any of those things. I feel you're putting words in my mouth and missed the point.

    Hi Mojo,

    I can't help feeling you're taking offence when none was intended here.

    I don't think anyone's talking about spinning this out after BAC - if the groups that the GPWA team speak to at BAC are unwilling to change after that conversation, I can't envision any other course of action that's likely to make any difference. I don't want to pre-judge that actions that GPWA will take, but I feel that they're taking a clear stance against this individual and if those groups are still intent on working with this individual I'd be surprised if they retained their sponsor status long.

    Personally I'm stated that my intended date to pull links to anyone working with this individual is the 31st of October. That's my line in the sand, though honestly I work with very few groups that are still working with the hacker so I doubt anything I do will make any difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thepogg View Post
    Hi Mojo,

    I can't help feeling you're taking offence when none was intended here.

    I don't think anyone's talking about spinning this out after BAC - if the groups that the GPWA team speak to at BAC are unwilling to change after that conversation, I can't envision any other course of action that's likely to make any difference. I don't want to pre-judge that actions that GPWA will take, but I feel that they're taking a clear stance against this individual and if those groups are still intent on working with this individual I'd be surprised if they retained their sponsor status long.

    Personally I'm stated that my intended date to pull links to anyone working with this individual is the 31st of October. That's my line in the sand, though honestly I work with very few groups that are still working with the hacker so I doubt anything I do will make any difference.
    I always appreciate others pov but yes, I did feel scolded lol.

    I feel it should be a privilege for programs to be listed on gpwa, not the other way around. Programs that have done what they could to help should not have to see their competitor do nothing and remain. All the while keeping the gpwa seal on their sites for those who don't read the forums.

    Dragging their feet says they don't care about the time you waste pursuing them. Their time is more important. They don't answer our annoying pleas. If taking action means we lose communication so be it. It's their choice. We've heard this argument over and over and as shay said, it doesn't work.

    You're one step ahead of us with line in the sand and deadline! It's a perfectly reasonable solution to me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Shay- View Post
    The truth remains the same regardless of whether you choose to report it.

    That being said, sometimes it takes backing a program into a corner before results can be obtained. If a program is playing dumb, or putting their blinders on, or being unethical - say so! Make a note if you don't wish to go totally negative. However, holding out on writing the truth in fear of the negotiations being cut short does not work. You only fool yourself into thinking you have control by dangling that one last egg in front of them (the truth). A reluctance to act gives the program the control - not the other way around.
    That's only true where you're actually unwilling to pull the trigger. The reality is that most vendor's are far less scared of negative postings than affiliates/players like to think. All you need to do is look at the number of unscrupulous operators in business today with plenty of affiliates propping them up and more than enough players to get by to realise that the scorn of any one affiliate site makes scant difference to their bottom line. That aside though, if you pull that trigger too fast you'll soon find yourself with nowhere to go. The fear of the axe is usually more motivating than the blade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thepogg View Post
    That's only true where you're actually unwilling to pull the trigger. The reality is that most vendor's are far less scared of negative postings than affiliates/players like to think. All you need to do is look at the number of unscrupulous operators in business today with plenty of affiliates propping them up and more than enough players to get by to realise that the scorn of any one affiliate site makes scant difference to their bottom line. That aside though, if you pull that trigger too fast you'll soon find yourself with nowhere to go. The fear of the axe is usually more motivating than the blade.
    That may be what programs would like us to think. While I agree one review won't make much difference, users are increasingly turning to reviews when making a decision to make a purchase. Same as in the non-gambling sector. Once the online trust factor is damaged it's very hard to recover from so it should not be under valued. Especially as far as GPWA is concerned as a resource. Sometimes I think players are looked at as sheep instead of the reality which is they are very smart. These properties may get by but will never realize their full potential. Usually they fold or try to reinvent themselves.

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    Folks,

    I am (wanting to be) working on something that is going to deal with it for once and for always. I can't say anything about it in public.

    The truth of the matter is: This (or any for that matter) forum is not going to do it. We need a firm, on its own standing solution. And, that is what I am wanting to start.

    But I need a hell of a lot of support for it. I can't do it without cash flow. Simple.

    I HAVE the solution. I truly believe I do. Now I just need to convince all affiliate programs / casinos / poker sites / etc. to support me in this, so that it can be brought to life ASAP.

    They better start realizing that if we don't do anything to stop this RIGHT NOW, the damages (for us, but for them as well) will not to be overseen.

    I firmly believe this to be the case.

    I've communicated my plans with Michael yesterday. I would ask all of you who are interested in 'the right solution' to this massive problem to let it be known publicly one way or the other.

    Again, I can't say much, all I can say is that my plan is thorough and will cover ALL aspects to effectively get rid of this for once and for all. we need to organize. And, my plan will do just that and a hell of a lot more.

    Antihacker.
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    I can't claim to really be up on whats going on (although our site is effected) -- but a friend of mine who is not a member here asked me to post this.

    "You can report the hacked sites here https://www.stopbadware.org/report-badware which is sponsored by google. Unfortunately the casinos promoted on these sites may be at risk of getting blacklisted. They may not see it is as an affiliate site."

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    Quote Originally Posted by WCD View Post
    I can't claim to really be up on whats going on (although our site is effected) -- but a friend of mine who is not a member here asked me to post this.

    "You can report the hacked sites here https://www.stopbadware.org/report-badware which is sponsored by google. Unfortunately the casinos promoted on these sites may be at risk of getting blacklisted. They may not see it is as an affiliate site."
    Sponsored by Google … I've lost ALL faith in Google. Google is not going to help us. We must tackle this ourselves. Or we'll be waiting another two months with no results. Google has been made aware of this on multiple levels. The results of this are clear. There are none.

    Thank you for your input though. I wish I could still say "it's worth a try".

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo View Post
    This thread is going on two months old. I don't blame the GPWA as I don't think many of us realized the severity. Now that we do, we are seeing livelihoods at stake.
    I can tell you all about that! And what happens when it goes wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by mojo View Post
    Often times good things come out of severe situations and we will know what to do if there is a next time.
    I am sorry to say, next time is already here, and it isn't going anywhere either. This is and will be an ongoing thing if we don't stop it. There are more hackers and some of them are real 'heavy boys'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antihacker View Post
    Sponsored by Google … I've lost ALL faith in Google. Google is not going to help us. We must tackle this ourselves. Or we'll be waiting another two months with no results. Google has been made aware of this on multiple levels. The results of this are clear. There are none.

    Thank you for your input though. I wish I could still say "it's worth a try".
    By contacting Google and reporting the search results and by using the tools supported by Google, we are attacking one of the many aspects of this issue.

    Along similar lines, Leopold has pointed out (a few times over) that "yoosocial" is a platform that supports this hacker's activity.

    Personally, I cannot "completely" support a plan that does not also involve attempting to work with Google and attempting to close the exploit that is yoosocial and Word Press.

    Don't get me wrong, I am all for "persuading" affiliate programs to quit working with this hacker. However, the reality is that there will be more incarnations of "this hacker" and what's to stop "this hacker" from persuading his neighbour or his uncle from opening an affiliate account to serve as a "beard" for his criminal activity?

    To me, placing pressure on the affiliate programs to take a stand, combined with direct efforts to plug the leaks (with Google, Word Press, and yoosocial), combined with contacting hacked business sites to encourage them to take legal action (and fixing the hacked site) is the holistic approach to curing this sickness. To only take on parts of the entire problem is merely treating a symptom or two while leaving the patient prone to illness. We must treat the whole disease.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Shay- View Post
    By contacting Google and reporting the search results and by using the tools supported by Google, we are attacking one of the many aspects of this issue.

    Along similar lines, Leopold has pointed out (a few times over) that "yoosocial" is a platform that supports this hacker's activity.

    Personally, I cannot "completely" support a plan that does not also involve attempting to work with Google and attempting to close the exploit that is yoosocial and Word Press.

    Don't get me wrong, I am all for "persuading" affiliate programs to quit working with this hacker. However, the reality is that there will be more incarnations of "this hacker" and what's to stop "this hacker" from persuading his neighbour or his uncle from opening an affiliate account to serve as a "beard" for his criminal activity?

    To me, placing pressure on the affiliate programs to take a stand, combined with direct efforts to plug the leaks (with Google, Word Press, and yoosocial), combined with contacting hacked business sites to encourage them to take legal action (and fixing the hacked site) is the holistic approach to curing this sickness. To only take on parts of the entire problem is merely treating a symptom or two while leaving the patient prone to illness. We must treat the whole disease.
    We need a central point / office that does all this as core (non profit) business.

    That is what I want to work on and devote my time full time to.

    But I need support in order to set it up. This office can be used for affiliates to report suspicious behavior, it can be used to report to all that it needs to be reported to, it can communicate with all programs / report those who condone it, communicate with all site owners who have been hacked, and can pursue hackers, report them to law enforcement, prosecute them with an international team of lawyers, and all that is needed to effectively TACKLE this whole cancerous thing..

    A central 'antihacker' point. It WILL solve all and will prevent it from ever coming back.

    Without it, we stand no frigging chance.

    Right now, we are a 'laughable bunch of people' who can not do ****.

    As Casinomeister stated when someone posted this in their thread discussing my thread here:

    We have to be grateful there is a great network of affiliates, casino reps and affiliate managers that are self-policing the internet to protect players and protect earnings of hardworking webmasters. Just like any other industry, there are always those that seek to deceive, cheat and just generally act in a negative way. The more of the sites like verifiedcasinos.com that get identified the better
    Casinomeister answered:

    A year ago I would have agreed with you, but my latest experience with some of the largest MGS affiliate programs this past Spring totally changed my mind about this. The only way to properly watch your back is to hire a lawyer.
    I agree with him. And, frankly we need a hell of a lot more to tackle this effectively. My 'antihacker office' as above will do this. If every single aff program should 'hire a lawyer' it will be 'too expensive' for them, I am sure. If they 'unite' in my 'antihacker office' they ALL get served for the one price. Another win win situation and reason as to why my idea should be brought in to existence ASAP.

    PS: Let's not forget, it's not just 'verifiedcasinos' who are at this. He is a amateur compared to the latest discoveries made. We are standing with sticks and stones in our hands, with as opponents people who have nukes and mach 15 flying disks who attack us.

    Wake UP!! We MUST take this in our own hands and do it properly, or the damages will not to be overseen for many, if not all of us.

    Again, I'll do it, but I need support in many ways, starting with cash. Something the affiliate programs should come up with. If they all pay a monthly fee for all that is needed, I can set up the whole thing and cure the cancer, plus prevent it from coming back. We'll have a 24/7 office, combating what needs to be combated EFFECTIVELY and from ALL possible angles.
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    As I don't have much time now I have just read only the first and the last pages of this thread,
    but does anyone know more about verifiedcasinos.com? Is he that Dimitry Klimov from Moscow or is that a fake identeity?
    Which other sites does he operate?

    It's really a shame that he can get away with that for so long and neither Google nor the affiliate programs do anything.

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