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    I think the fact more than a few of us have mentioned frequent negative months over the last couple of years indicates that it is a problem across more than one affiliate with one fraudulent player.
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    Before i got in to casinos other webmasters advised that there is much more money to be had from casino affiliation, you dont need as much traffic and casino players generally lose more often that sports players.

    Still not sure if thats correct, however i can spot unusual stats a mile away in any sportsbooks affiliate account, i know straight away if something smells wrong and i wont allow the wool to be pulled over my eyes, no matter what.

    Now in this thread there are webmasters who's opinions i respect saying these stats don't add up, that it is unusual for one affiliate to attract so many winners over such an extended period of time.

    I simply don't have enough info to know one way or another what is correct here and what is not, but if this happened to any of my sportsbooks accounts i would at the very least question the competence of the risk management team, i mean who allows so many winners to continue gambling with their product for such a long length of time.

    Also the fraudulent player situation does nothing more than muddy the waters and again it is highly questionable that something like this goes unnoticed for so long.

    It would be nice to see an independent party look at this, i am sure Terry at the GAU would be interested and Arkyt has indicated that anyone can look at his stats.

    But from an outsiders point of view and not an affiliate of VA or an acquaintance of Arkyt i can honestly say this looks highly unusual and from a public relations standpoint it is not doing VA any favours.

    If VA admit negligence in identifying the fraudulent player and looking at Arkyts stats, he was at least at some point an affiliate sending a ton of traffic, then surely an amicable solution can be found here.

    Certainly cannot see how trust can be reconciled here.
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    I would like to introduce myself; I am the Head of Marketing for VA. I joined the company in April this year and have been working with the team here to address issues and build long lasting relationships with Affiliates who promote us amongst other things.

    Due to the seriousness of the claims made here I feel compelled to reply and clear up these misunderstandings, misrepresentations, and to put forward this case objectively and truthfully for others to form their own opinion. It took some time to gather additional historical data from the software supplier but we are now in a position to provide this information. That being said this is a public forum and I do need permission from you arkyt to post your personal data (in summary format) from 2008 to 2010. I want to stress that we are not looking for any funds to be returned as we clearly should have been more vigilant. We just look forward to clearing up this matter and to your reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellen View Post
    I want to stress that we are not looking for any funds to be returned as we clearly should have been more vigilant.
    WHAT? Seriously? Thats so kind of you ... I really have some pleasantries Id like to share, but Ill hold off for now, but trust me Im cursing outloud right now.

    How about you start by sending me your data? I've asked for it since 2008 and have been supplied absolutely NOTHING! Further - if you want to review my account - do a complete review and dont just review it after I had sent you to the cellar on my sites!

    Every few months a new and improved VA team arrives on the scene to make things all peachy and keen - fact remains if things were all peachy and keen they wouldn't have this sort of turnover!

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    Complying with your wish for privacy, I have just emailed you the report.

    Regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellen View Post
    Complying with your wish for privacy, I have just emailed you the report.

    Regards,
    My wish for privacy? Where did that come from? I posted several pages back that anyone who wanted my login data to pm me and they could view my account themselves!

    The data you provided me is not a report at all!!!

    From my AGD post >

    ..............

    What you provided me with is a few columns / rows of data which shows the "supposed" total deposits / withdraws of this player vs the "supposed" total deposits / withdraws of all my players from 2008-2010.

    During that time this "supposed" fraud player was "supposedly" responsible for >

    2008 ... 79%
    2009 ... 92%
    2010 ... 89%

    of the total amount of deposits ... what these numbers are made to show is what VA claims in a threatening email that they sent me about my "actual performance as an affiliate" ... to that I requested they look 2004-2010 ... I suppose I stunk up the place that entire time too huh? Management over there has some serious issues!

    According to the reports this player made off with $175,000 - yes 2008-2009 they withdrew 175k MORE than they deposited and this didnt warrant any type of audit by the casino? REALLY?

    Lord - if a player takes advantage of a $100 bonus they are ran around the block, but someone makes off with hundreds of thousands and they get by with it for 3 years unnoticed until an affiliate complains about it over and over and over the entire time its going on?

    Sorry VA - I dont buy any bit of what you are selling!

    ..............

    Anyone who has seen a large number of winners 2008-present please come in and post as well - Vegas Affiliates is wanting closure on this / these issues - lets give them that closure!

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    I think it is important to go through this case in an ordered way so as to present the facts without making any speculative claims. As stated in the prior post VA should have caught this far sooner and we are not requesting any of the prior commission returned, the only action we have taken is to close this player’s account in accordance with our terms and conditions which can be found here: http://www.vegasaffiliates.com/Affil...onditions.aspx

    We have remained open and provided arkyt with all the reports requested. His queries to us directly via email do not reflect the posts seen on the forum. I would ask that arkyt to communicate with me so that we can ascertain the exact information desired (if not already provided) and assist step by step so that he is able to break down the figures and gain a full understanding.

    The report last received via email was a top level report. It was prepared in a summary and in such a manor to protect player information as we anticipated its publication on the GPWA forum. A detailed report was far too large to post on a forum. We have a more detailed report and have email this to arkyt as this post goes out.

    Regarding the figures displayed on the forum. The percentages are correct; this is verifiable by a ‘drilling’ of arkyt’s account reports to pinpoint the player ID. It was only due to the large deposits being made that prompted your first queried with VA. It is clearly apparent with any close analysis where the majority of all of your earnings were coming from when tallying this fraudulent player against any other traffic.

    We have been extremely open during this whole time and wish to stress that we have always assisted in any way possible. Implications of a threatening nature are simply untrue and there has been nothing remotely threatening in any of our correspondence. I would ask again if you would allow us to post the last report provided (top level report) so others can view and form their own opinion.

    Regards,

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