Split Thread - Microgaming Discussion

[Spearmaster]

CM for the most part has a dislike of affilaites, anyone reading over there can see that, yes there are some webmasters members over there but the general underlying pattern is a dislike of affiliate and webmasters.

Mate you are way off base on this one. I was an affiliate at one point. Simmo is an affiliate. Webzcas is an affiliate. We are or have been mods at CM.

Why in the world do you think that CM would have a dislike of affiliates? He appears at affiliate conferences and even makes presentations as well. He's known and well-liked by many affiliates, he's even been voted Top Affiliate of 2009.

With all due respect - I think you have a lot more reading to do.

[Former Member 14]

Gamtrak does NOT know what agenda Casinomeister is carrying to the Isle of Man with him. She does not know whether or not other people have placed the GP fiasco at the top of their wish list. She doesn't even know who Casinomeister is meeting with.

Please stop the speculation. Let's see what happens, there is nothing to lose.

Well said spear

I'll add...It's another here we go again thread How many pages this time!

Blah...Blah...Blah

Some people need a BIG reality check...

Whether CM is going to speak about the GP issue or not, is no reason to jump all over the guy.

Fact of the GP matter...
It took place in 2008. Practically two (2) years for everyone to get their collect sh!t together and rally for eCOGRA to do something about it.

eCOGRA asked for people to lodged claims again GP.

Out of the 100's if not 1000's of affiliates who were purported as being screwed over by Grand Prive, the actually dispute submissions received by eCOGRA totaled 75 or so...

Instead of acting like sookie la la's and trying to blame others, you should have banned together and taken a class action out on GP.

But as always, it's pages and pages of finger pointing, blah...blah..blah and nothing gets taken care of here, again!

And most of you wonder why you get shafted by aff programs


Dave

[Betpartners]

If you read through this thread you'll understand it.

Damn Nitro i have yet to read any thread that you participated in that i underdtand so forgive me for not taking your advice

In fact the one thing that i commend CM on is the banning of you and your multiple aliases

[nitro]

Damn Nitro i have yet to read any thread that you participated in that i understand so forgive me for not taking your advice

I write for the select few not for the masses.

[Betpartners]

Casinomeister has a dislike of bad webmasters and affiliates, as we all do. He has many friends in the industry, and most are affliates or webmasters, I would bet.

And that makes him qualified to talk with Microgaming or any of the other gaming platforms.

Betpartners and anyone else can say what they want, let's see some actual "proof" of Bryan Bailey's active dislike of affiliates.

Just be warned, if you are one of the affiliates that make money off some af the many rogue casinos, Hell Yes, he and any honest webmaster, affiliate, and player will actively dislike you.

oh jeez really did not want this to go off in the wrong direction but it seems the overflow from CM is upon us.

Bad webmaster? as decided by whom? this summary judgement on anyone that is bad webmaster makes me choke at times, one person stands up and says you are a webmaster and hoards then follow all based on one mans opinion.

As i repeatadly say i will use my own judgement and not rely on someone elses opinion on what constitutes a bad webmster so please allow me that perogative.

I also have many friends in the industry, i am sure many people do but we dont neccasarily meet with CEO's that can make a difference, and just having friends does not mean you are qualified, using ones influence for the better may make you qualified, nothing more.

You are right i can say what i want and will continue to do so but pleased you acknowledged that.

You want proof of BB dislike of affiliates, it is on CM, i keep being told to read more, i would suggest you do also my friend, problem is i could post up i hate those blood sucking affilaites and show a photo of a tatoo across BB's butt with that statement and you will still refused to acknowledge it, but whats the point.

but i do like this one

"Sheesh! This is one of the reasons I hate dealing with affiliate issues, too many self-serving affiliates who will only start barking when they don't get paid. They send players off to the slaughter-house, that's fine for them - the players can get screwed all they want. That's cool. But if that affy check doesn't come in - whoa! let's have a public hissy fit!"

sort of betrays ones inner feelings to me, but go ahead tell me i read it all wrong, especially about too many self serving affilites, thats kinda like me saying degenrate gamblers only have themselves to blame for signing up at a casino without due dilligence.

i dont by the way because i dont believe that and i dont like to generalise as in that one single quote above

Finally your warning to me, you dont mind if i just ignore that do you, i did get the shakes a little and feel all queasy but i have regained my composure,, but tell you what i will issue a warning in response if that is allowed.

Just be warned i will promote anyone i wish without fear of being attacked by CM, yeah think thats works.

[Betpartners]

Mate you are way off base on this one. I was an affiliate at one point. Simmo is an affiliate. Webzcas is an affiliate. We are or have been mods at CM.

Why in the world do you think that CM would have a dislike of affiliates? He appears at affiliate conferences and even makes presentations as well. He's known and well-liked by many affiliates, he's even been voted Top Affiliate of 2009.

With all due respect - I think you have a lot more reading to do.

Spearmaster, it is how i read it mate, i have nothing against yourself, Simmo and certainly not webzcas and i have nothing against CM either no matter how it seems.

But i did take exception to the treatment of gamtrak in that one thread and the way affiliates were generalised in some of BB comments leads me to believe that his opinion of them in general is not very high.

He may well like some affilaites etc, i am talking in general terms as were some of his statements.

I cannot read up anymore though, all read out for one day, just trying to relax now.

[giggles7p]

Betpartners I love you for your strength in what you believe and for your testicular fortitude! lol

I agree with you, and not because i know BB or because i have any problems with anyone over at CM...[except like you, i do believe Robin has taken a beating over there, and i believe the only reason why she gets out of hand there is because she has to be on defense constantly, but i don't understand why she just doesn't bother to go over there>?...but i have noticed that this whole thread has turned into a gamtrak thread...and by who?...ummm]

But i have read plenty of times remarks over at CM....by Brian and a few senior members that are not flattering to any affiliate. When i read words like.."affiliates don't care about player all they care about is their pockets"....tells me that this forum is not affiliate freindly. When i am there i am afraid to post sometimes because i do not want to be yelled at for my opinion because I'm an affiliate,but i am also a player..

[jod5413]

Once again Betpartners, you are sadly lacking in the "history". His statement was made because he had advised about GP going down quite a bit before this current situation came about.


"Sheesh! This is one of the reasons I hate dealing with affiliate issues, too many self-serving affiliates who will only start barking when they don't get paid. They send players off to the slaughter-house, that's fine for them - the players can get screwed all they want. That's cool. But if that affy check doesn't come in - whoa! let's have a public hissy fit!"

As a frustrated advocate, I am surprised he said what he said so nicely. I know I couldn't.

Anyway, I am not looking to fight here or anywhere else. I just wish people would take the time to "catch up" on the forums before they decide to take a stance on things.

I am not loking to fight or "diss" anyone here, just want some true honesty from a few folks here.

[GamTrak]

WOW she is right on cue as I predicted!

Jod, being that I've listed YOU as one of my Cyberstalkers, I've been instructed NOT to engage you so this will put your **** *** on notice to keep myself and the works GamTrak off your nubs!

Everytime there is a post about GamTrak you and your 'posse' run over to pile on and if you have any smarts it will end now, but if you want to provide more content for my file then have at it!

You have been added to my IGNORE list so don't expect me to read your dribble! Buh Bye

[nitro]

Once again Betpartners, you are sadly lacking in the "history". His statement was made because he had advised about GP going down quite a bit before this current situation came about.

What he really lacks is reflection because if affiliates weren't concerned about this kind of babble they could come up with the idea that they are not needed at all.

[jod5413]

WOW she is right on cue as I predicted!

Wow you are right on cue as I predicted.

Jod, being that I've listed YOU as one of my Cyberstalkers, I've been instructed NOT to engage you so this will put your punk a$$ on notice to keep myself and the works GamTrak off your nubs!

If you think I am cyberstalker because I came here to read and actually give my honest opinions on a few different things, you pop up with I am not only "your cyberstalker" but I have a "punk a$$" that needs to be put on notice to keep myself and "the works Gamtrak off my nubs". I am not sure what the Hell all that means, but cool.

Your post above to me seems to be You cyberstalking Me. You know, the part where you say. "I've been instructed NOT to engage you".

Well I am sorry to bust your little fantasy about all your cyberstalkers, I came to read about my forum friends and give my views about Casinomeister and how folks like you actually "slander" him in your posts Gamtrak. So, are you cyberstalking Bryan Bailey? Seems like you might be, based on your recent posts here about him.

Everytime there is a post about GamTrak you and your 'posse' run over to pile on and if you have any smarts it will end now, but if you want to provide more content for my file then have at it!

This last bit seems to be a bit of a threat from you? " if you have any smarts it will end now" yada yada yada

You have been added to my IGNORE list so don't expect me to read your dribble! Buh Bye

You have that right among others, I nave never felt the need to put someone on "ignore". Seems like you'd misunderstand even more than you do as it is.

[Betpartners]

Once again Betpartners, you are sadly lacking in the "history". His statement was made because he had advised about GP going down quite a bit before this current situation came about.


"Sheesh! This is one of the reasons I hate dealing with affiliate issues, too many self-serving affiliates who will only start barking when they don't get paid. They send players off to the slaughter-house, that's fine for them - the players can get screwed all they want. That's cool. But if that affy check doesn't come in - whoa! let's have a public hissy fit!"

As a frustrated advocate, I am surprised he said what he said so nicely. I know I couldn't.

Anyway, I am not looking to fight here or anywhere else. I just wish people would take the time to "catch up" on the forums before they decide to take a stance on things.

I am not loking to fight or "diss" anyone here, just want some true honesty from a few folks here.

I also have no desire to fight or "diss" anyone and appreciate your comments in regards to that, though i must say all my comments have been honest, even if you do disagree with my perception.

I will leave this alone now, i think we have all said our part, any futher comments by any of us may just antagonise the issue further.

[alexpratt]

I will leave this alone now, i think we have all said our part, any futher comments by any of us may just antagonise the issue further.

Agreed- This thread is about to go crazy and completely out of control. Can see this coming a mile off.....so I advice people stop now as somethings people aren't going to agree on.

Some sensible comments, some less sensible comments, end of..

Anyway - Spearmaster don't let this be an excuse to stop the smoking

[Former Member 14]

i do believe Robin has taken a beating over there, and i believe the only reason why she gets out of hand there is because she has to be on defense constantly

Like Betpartners you both need to attend casino history 101 because your both clueless.

Oh and Giggles...if your unable to respond to this post without resorting to trailer trash skank speak, don't bother replying.


Cheers



Dave

[alexpratt]

Dave, that post is just begging a reaction, you could have said something along the lines of, if you look at this thread or look at this forum, or research here you will see this, and then end it without the last sentence which is actually rude to giggles.

Your post is simply going to generate an agressive response. Sorry to vent but I am getting sick of seeing people post agressive posts that they would never say in real life. If we were courteous and had sensible debates this place would be a lot nicer and threads wouldn't slip into personal insults which many "good" threads do these days.

[pgaming]

Casinomeister has gone to the Isle of Man to meet with Microgaming. There is no public history of these meetings now or in the past.

Good keep it in your circle of close associates so we can all be blind and dumb. Laugh at our posts under your breath because we are not of the privileged class not privy or good enough the play the game. Keep the racket going while insinuating again were blind and dumb.

There is no team spirit how could there ever be. Take it all fellows and call us the dumb ones. Chat amongst yourselves keep it with you then that way you can enjoy the fruits your labors while others suffer by your own conduct.

Enjoy the back room deals, enjoy the free passes to DMOZ, enoy sleeping with Ecogra and Microgaming and whatever else you find exclusive to your clan.


greek39

[Spearmaster]

Good keep it in your circle of close associates so we can all be blind and dumb. Laugh at our posts under your breath because we are not of the privileged class not privy or good enough the play the game. Keep the racket going while insinuating again were blind and dumb.

There is no team spirit how could there ever be. Take it all fellows and call us the dumb ones. Chat amongst yourselves keep it with you then that way you can enjoy the fruits your labors while others suffer by your own conduct.

Enjoy the back room deals, enjoy the free passes to DMOZ, enoy sleeping with Ecogra and Microgaming and whatever else you find exclusive to your clan.


greek39

And what brought that on? No one said there were private meetings going on behind anyone's back - in fact I think this is the first time Casinomeister has been to the Isle of Man since about 2003, when we both were invited to the opening of the new office.

There is NO private agenda here. If there was, WHY would Casinomeister ASK the forum members for any questions they had?

Geez people, wake up and smell the coffee...

[pgaming]

I am awake and been drinking the same old coffee for years. Nothing new same coffee different pot. But why slap others down when they know no different or how could they? The real story is always buried under the privileged class webmasters despite some who work as hard as the next guy. Were not worthy of fair and equal treatment because some refuse to snake it all the way. What a dirty, filthy, sicking business this really is.

And Spear I have no alliances, friends, accomplices just me. The day I fully trust someone in this niche bury me six feet under.

And what brought that on?

These words

There is no public history of these meetings now or in the past.

These maybe your words but it does not necessarily not mean i am directing them at yourself. It just reminds me and maybe others how useless and pointless to even bother trying this online gambling business is crap.

greek39

[giggles7p]

Like Betpartners you both need to attend casino history 101 because your both clueless.

Oh and Giggles...if your unable to respond to this post without resorting to trailer trash skank speak, don't bother replying.


Cheers



Dave

Geez Dave you are such a charming man, and so pleasant to be around!....thanks for the lovely words.....as usual

Trailer trash pat

[Spearmaster]

I am awake and been drinking the same old coffee for years. Nothing new same coffee different pot. But why slap others down when they know no different or how could they? The real story is always buried under the privileged class webmasters despite some who work as hard as the next guy. Were not worthy of fair and equal treatment because some refuse to snake it all the way. What a dirty, filthy, sicking business this really is.

Who's slapping whom down? I see everyone trying to slap CM down as if we were playing King of the Mountain, is that what you're referring to?

There is no "real" story buried under "privileged class webmasters" - just that some "well-known" and "respected" webmasters happen to have the ears of people in high places. We didn't just enter this business either - we worked long and hard to get where we are as well, we didn't smooch butt or brown-nose or entertain our way into this.

Anyone here who works hard, goes to conferences and meets people will surely be able to put themselves in exactly the same position that Casinomeister as - this I am 100% certain of. There are other webmasters out there which command high respect with various operators because they work hard and deliver results as well - Casinomeister is but one of these people.

If you deliver good traffic to ANY operator - ask to meet with them and see what they say. In our case we were just early in the game, so instead of having to ask operators, they lined up to see us!

I am obviously not a big affiliate any more - but I remember just how hard I had to work to get there. And today you have to work even harder because the competition is much more fierce - but being told that we are "exclusive" "clan" "clique" whatever just isn't true.