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    Hello to all forum members,

    My name is Noah and I am the online rep for Rome Partners. It has been a while since I needed to speak on GPWA, but in light of the recent vicious attack I would like to discuss the draconian manner in which this outfit seems to conduct its business.

    Most of you probably know that most of the TG platform and especially Rome and Diceland casinos were brutally DDoS attacked this week, causing untold damage. Our operation is very strong and will continue, but the question must be asked: Why is this happening?

    Those that have read the thread about us being down: (https://www.gpwa.org/forum/romepartn...+partners+down) know that we have identified our attackers as Win Palace, aka Gold Vip.

    I've seen that some of you think these are unfounded lies or libel. However, they stand on very solid foundations.

    First ask yourselves, what would be our motivation to besmirch an 'honest' operation for no reason? Why would we point the finger at one of the biggest operations, for no reason? What do we have to gain? We're not going to topple them by accusation, but we DO want the world to know that they are nothing more than criminals in the guise of business men.

    We will bring and show technical evidence, as much as Win Palace will try to deny them and claim they were 'faked'. We also have other incriminating evidence, and we will make our case - that this is NOT the first time the Win Palace group (aks Gold VIP) has used DDoS attacks to hold other operations hostage and to damage and extort them.

    They hide behind their affiliate group for the purpose of showing you all a clean face, but it is nothing but a facade.

    2 years ago, Gabi, one of the owners of Win Palace, started a DDoS attack against all of Topgame and Rome Partners. He claimed it was because they hired 2 of his former employees. He would not suffer any operation to hire anyone who has ever worked for Gold VIP (and yes, they are the same and we all know this, there is evidence for that aplenty).

    He demanded that the 2 employees be fired AND that Rome Partners pay him $50k or he will not stop the DDoS attack.

    Rome Partners paid him the $50k and fired the two workers. What choice did they have? They couldn't hope to match his resources. And so he got his way, and has been getting it ever since.

    I'm sure many affiliates here work with AffActive, but do you really want to work with people like these? Once they get rid of all competition, what's to stop them from DDoSing your affiliate site if you complain about non-payment, or DDoS you if you don't place them high enough on your page?

    Basically, you're working with a new generation of criminals, utilizing internet terrorism to make money and destroy opposition. If we all began to act this way, where would it end? How could any operator work in peace and make money for its affiliates? Would any operation that Win Palace or Gabi see as a threat be shut down and its affiliates picked up by AffActive?

    It is interesting to note that AffActive is NOW claiming that they are also under a DDoS attack right now, 2 days after we accused them on public forum. This seems like a pathetic attempt to divert suspicion.
    It's interesting also that some affiliates claim that the DDoS attack could easily be faked and be shown as if it is coming from Win Palace, yet if that is true, why would a faker bother to attack AffActive itself? Wouldn't that be counter to the framing job they wanted to accomplish? Why would an attacker go only for them and not for all RTG casinos? Why them?

    Because it is them.

    Win Palace, aka Gold VIP, aka AffActive - are criminals of the worst kind.

    We have nothing to gain from attacking them, but exposing the truth and hope that all of you beware when doing business with them. They will attack anyone who is in their way and shut. them. down.

    I hope that more affiliates and operators will have the courage to come forward and tell their own stories. I know many are scared, and for good reason. But we cannot continue to operate a professional industry with such internet pirates in our midst.

    Thank you all for reading.

    Kind Regards,

    Noah
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    Have you been contacted by anyone representing AffActive, demanding payment to cease the attack?

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    This is def bad for our industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noahromecasino View Post
    I hope that more affiliates and operators will have the courage to come forward and tell their own stories. I know many are scared, and for good reason. But we cannot continue to operate a professional industry with such internet pirates in our midst.
    If this is true, that this has been going on to many for years but people are to scared to come forward, then that is shocking.

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    Oh my. Hold on tight ladies and gents.
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    I would like to see some evidence of this prior to accepting what Noah posted.
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    As Chips has pointed out and you have intimated - you really need to have evidence

    If you have it show it,otherwise and i mean this with no disrespect , its a case of sour grapes

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    Quote Originally Posted by noahromecasino View Post
    2 years ago, Gabi, one of the owners of Win Palace, started a DDoS attack against all of Topgame. He claimed it was because they hired 2 of his former employees. He would not suffer any operation to hire anyone who has ever worked for Gold VIP (and yes, they are the same and we all know this, there is evidence for that aplenty).

    He demanded that the 2 employees be fired AND that TG pay him $50k or he will not stop the DDoS attack. He said this directly to the owners of TG.

    TG paid him the $50k and fired the two workers. What choice did they have? They couldn't hope to match his resources. And so he got his way, and has been getting it ever since.
    Ok, so Topgame paid a ransom and canned two employees, yet in this post: https://www.gpwa.org/forum/romepartn...tml#post670642, Scott from Topgame claims:
    Rest assured, Topgame does NOT negotiate with criminals. We are working with the best anti-cybercrime companies in order to prevent any additional DDoS attacks or other crimes against our systems.
    So if that is true, why would they have dropped 50k and fired 2 employees in the past? There is a ton of he said/she said in both of these threads. Just does not make a ton of sense to me.

    Also, if the Affactive group had extorted or ransomed funds from the top game group as Noah claims, why in the blue blazes would they allow them to hold a skin on the network (Mayflower)? I know if I ran a network and one of the licensees **** the bed as they allege, I would cancel the casino immediately. Again, something does not make much sense here.

    Get your popcorn ready, this is gonna go epic.

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    A few things:

    1. We will produce all evidence we have and are in deliberations with other outfits in hopes they will produce their own as well. First we'd like to make it clear what this outfit is doing.

    2. Why TG negotiated then? TG was under different management at the time. But it was Rome partners that actually ended up paying.

    3. To the question, why would they give them mayflower? That's because they were afraid of them and the mayflower is a small brand. That's why they didn't care about taking it down with the rest of TG last week.

    4. No they didn't demand money this time, we're just large enough to be a threat now and so they took us down. They've done this to many others.
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    These are very serious, albeit ridiculous accusations.

    We will be taking legal recourse against those responsible for these absurdly defamatory allegations. Therefore on the advice of our attorneys we will not continue discussing these matters on the forums.


    Regarding the DDOS attack on our RTG brands:



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    With the aid of our internet security firm, we were able to thwart the attack. We have restored service to all of our casinos. (All our affiliates that signed in last night during the attack can testify that they had no signups in our RTG brands during the time it took us to deflect it).
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    How organized this all seems. It is very interesting to me how you were attacked right after the posts in this forum. Yet you were not attacked all the time TG and Rome partners were. Suddenly only you guys are targeted. How bizarre. I guess you have much better tech guys than TG, dealing with it so quickly too. Such wonderful capabilities to defend from DDoS, but not to create it? Now you will 'take legal actions' and of course avoid the forums.

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    I know Affactives Top game ws hit on the 16th and is still screwed up, Rialto was also hit and Revenue Giants top games were also hit but for the most part up and running except some intermittent disconnections for players. Seems to me ALL top game was hit not just Rome's.

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    Posted on the original 'rome partners down' thread:

    I am one of the founding members of TopGame. I have since sold all my shares in TopGame but I am still in close relationship with them and some of their operators. Most of you know me as I was one of the pioneers in the affiliate industry. I've prepared this statement because I've been reading this thread and what TopGame and Rome Partners are facing now just crosses all red lines. I want to come forward, this terror has to stop!

    Two years ago I was invited for a meeting with Gabriel Shalom (also known as Gabi) . He is owner of GoldVIPClub/WinPalace/Affective. At that point they successfully DDOS attacked Rome Partners and put their systems down. The demands were paying a penalty of $50K and signing a letter stating that RomePartners could not hire any staff that had ever worked for the GoldVIP / WinPalace / Affective group, take affiliate positions, or "behave dishonorably" as by his words. I was personally asked by Gabi to deliver the letter to be signed by Rome Partners. The document was signed virtually at gunpoint since their gaming servers were down. I personally delivered the letter to the CEO of RomePartners and had him sign it. I then returned the document to Gabi to his office in Tel Aviv.

    At the time my only intention in this whole affair was to try to keep the company running and everyone happy with as little interruption as possible. I now understand that Gabi isn't interested in peace. His only goal at this point seems to be to knock competition out of the market by force and control everyone.

    After that all was quiet for about a year, and then Gabi tried to do this all over again. Instead of getting in touch with us, he went directly to TopGame and made his demands there. This time, he threatened to take RomePartners down again along with TopGame (gaming servers, website and affiliate program) I believe he succeeded in extorting an additional 75k USD.

    If you ask me, the recent attacks beginning November 16th are a clear attempt to destroy competition and not just an attempt to get money. I have been in contact with RomePartners and TopGame and none of them can understand why this is happening. It is my honest belief that they are simply trying to destroy a big competitor in their market now they have their own software Game Scale.

    At this stage I will stay anonymous
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    Exclamation Announcement from Topgame - Revoking TG license for Mayflower and grand Macao casinos

    Announcement from Topgame

    "We hereby confirm that we found a direct correlation between the recent DDoS attacks to our servers and one of our licensees; they were operating Mayflower Casino and Grand Macao Casino. Their license has been revoked permanently. We donít tolerate this criminal behavior and certainly do not partner with such.

    Management"

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    I hope that those of you with your own testimonies and history of dealing with this group will share their stories, and if prefer not to be named they can email Michael here at GPWA or PM him, or email Bryan at Casinomeister (Bryan@casinomeister.org).

    They are both known to be neutral and fair, and can display evidence without giving out your names.

    Please help us get some better business practices for this industry, and better supervision of such behavior.


    Noah

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    what i'm worried about for affiliates is that if Rome and other TG opeartors close due to this saga , what will happen to affiliates earnings

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffKean View Post
    what i'm worried about for affiliates is that if Rome and other TG opeartors close due to this saga , what will happen to affiliates earnings
    Not to worry. The attack was vicious but Rome Partners is too strong to be brought down by this. We are already almost back to normal operations. Affiliates will not be affected and neither was tracking.

    Noah

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    I've heard enough to take down all Affactive-promoted sites from my sites.

    Ridiculous.

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    And some DDoS attack at Rival casinos now... Somebody play dirty games here.
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    I see that Affactive is down. Not a good sign for us I'm afraid, they seemed to have been such as a watertight outfit.

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