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    Quote Originally Posted by calisto x View Post
    On king Billy's homepage it states no hidden fees or cost etc. This is bullshite why don't you mention the new admin fee on your homepage in big bold letters???? Because you want the affiliate to do the work and bring in customers I don't like the way you do business
    There has always been a certain element of casino(s) ownership and their affiliate program management, who, seem to think, affiliate partners are merely blips on a screen, and stealing from them, is ok. I'm sure some programs treat this fraud as a 'sport', and their AM's et al probably receive bonuses for each and every affiliate they bend-over

    What troubles me, and should concern ALL iGaming affiliates, is the increase in this mindset that, lying and stealing from affiliates is OK.

    This thread and others like it, seems more and more of these new breed iGaming entities THINK/BELIEVE/EMBRACE:

    • It's OK to bullshite affiliates.
    • It's OK to advertise INFLATED RS %'s.
    • It's OK to steal from affiliates.

    NONE of this cr#p is OK!!!

    I don't want to say I told you so, but years ago I did advise, these scams, were on the horizon.

    Granted some affiliates just can't drop a program because that misbehaving program, could be their main source of income. I get that. However, not every affiliate is reliant on the same program.

    Hence, if an affiliate program chooses to BS affiliates with:
    • Hidden GGR deductions
    • Inflated revenue share commission percentages
    • Uses a bogus Admin Fee

    WE all need stand to together, and by doing so, SEND a clear message to these thieves, ENOUGH is ENOUGH!!!

    If we don't take this type of hard-line-action, affiliate programs like King Billy, Chilli Partners,VideoSlots and many others, who, are currently robbing affiliates blind, will continue to think up more ways to steal from their affiliate partners. Pretty soon, they'll be nothing left for us.
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    It has to go even further and I am glad that I saw it in other threads.

    It is not that just programs that steal are thieves. Also the people - from CEO to janitors - have to understand they are done for their life. I personally see nothing bad with anyone being idiot - a gambler, heroin user or an affiliate manager who decides to not play fair. Truly, I have zero problem with people who lied to be either deliberately or because they were afraid to lose their salaries. I am not the judge and everyone has a hard life.

    Just the people who destroy confidence - and especially in business where confidence is everything - should be aware of conseqences. Now the consequences are not that dire (except the fact that the affiliate business will not work soon). But in future when some kind of digital identity develops (and that digital identity will be like extended credit score), those people might be surprised that they die alone and hungry.

    Revenue share for life is a real revenue share for life. If not, then you are a thief. Howgh.
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    Dear Affy,

    Thank you for reading my interviews, appreciate that.

    I would like you to stop bullshitting here as you have no evidence to do so.

    Cheers!
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    Hi, do you know the reason behind such a change in commission plan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AussieDave View Post

    Until AGD conducts a new audit, these were the most current RS data:

    25% = 18.78 %
    30% = 22.53 %
    35% = 26.29 %
    40% = 30.04 %
    45% = 33.80 %

    Will the new audit reveal lower RS %'s???
    They did in fact reveal lower Revenue Share percentages.



    Quote Originally Posted by PROFRBcom View Post
    In your own link I count 23 programs paying 100%.

    Then there is King Billy with:

    King Billy Affiliates: 49.40% - more info; new report: 75% - more info

    And this report showing 75% is old. In fact, someone on AGD posted on January 28, 2021:

    Can't wait to see how well King Billy fares when it is re-evaluated with the new fees. Down to 65%? Or perhaps back down to below 50% where they were originally audited at?
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    Dear PROFRBcom,

    I have requested already from AGD a new audit based on the recent changes, so once they are ready, they will publish it on their website in the relevant thread. And, let's see the real numbers then together.

    Affiliate Guard Dog completed their new review of King Billy. Here are the results:

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    As you can clearly see, King Billy's reported income dropped from the previous evaluation thanks to these newly implemented Administration Fees.

    It would seem the criticism was warranted after all.

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    This whole discussion has opened my eyes!

    Based on that AGD list, from now on I will re-order my thinking on who I promote.

    With rates like King Billy & others, I know I won't even bother to check them out. I think I'll just stick to 100%'ers on on down the line until I have what I need (not what they are willing to give me).


    Stated Rate Effective Rate
    25% 16.25%
    30% 19.50%
    35% 22.75%
    40% 26.00%
    45% 29.25%
    50% 32.50%
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    The change in administrative fees when calculating commissions for current partners cannot be unilateral, there must be mutual consent! This is a golden rule that applies in every business. In the event of a disagreement, the existing contract should be kept unchanged or terminated (if provided for in the contract). Thus, any lifetime deals should be kept as they are, if so agreed in advance, no questions asked.

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    Haha. In normal business there is a thrid party that can decide the disagreements. What we have? The good feeling that we started with a decentralised smartcontracts when Vitalik was in diapers. We failed, but at least we were the pioneers.

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    Absolutely, unilateral changes to an agreement really ‘tick me off”.

    I've looked at the list at the AGD site and ranked them in order of the “effective rate of commission” paid to casino affiliates. Oddly enough 65% of the casinos listed have an effective rate above 65%.

    About 10% of the casinos programs are at 65%.

    The other 25% pay less than 65%.

    (If you want to check my numbers, or see the list in order, it’s on my site.)
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    wanted to try their brands but then seen this thread.... No Thank you!!! hate thieves ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruslan KingBilly View Post
    ... as you have no evidence to do so...

    Well...

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    Personally I only have to read the responses from Ruslan to see that this is no professional setup and not a casino I would be willing to promote.

    Ruslan you can bang on all you like about the admin fee, taxes and whatever you like. Why not just display the percentage that you are actually paying rather than the over inflated bullshit percentage that you claim to pay.

    We all know the answer, it is because that does not look attractive to affiliates, so instead you lie about what you are actually paying commission-wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruslan KingBilly View Post
    I would like you to stop bullshitting
    That's too funny, coming from the King of Bull$hitters!

    Latest KB audit:

    • 25% = 16.25 %
    • 30% = 19.50 %
    • 35% = 22.75 %
    • 40% = 26.00 %
    • 45% = 29.25 %


    https://www.affiliateguarddog.com/co...-report.16861/

    Quote Originally Posted by mickyfu View Post
    Why not just display the percentage that you are actually paying rather than the over inflated bullshit percentage that you claim to pay.

    We all know the answer, it is because that does not look attractive to affiliates, so instead you lie about what you are actually paying commission-wise.

    Spot on there!


    Edit:
    Serious question here - who at the GPWA writes this dribble or more so approves it?

    https://www.gpwa.org/forum/king-billy-partners.html

    King Billy Partners is the Affiliate Program of King Billy Casino that dares to go where no other casino has gone before: beyond the commission. This is not to say that there is not a healthy and inviting one in his Majesty’s Affiliate Program.

    By becoming the “Hand of the King” the Affiliate gets commissions of up to 50%,
    If the AGD audit is anything to go by that 50% RS, would be more like 31% RS.

    All Hail to King Silly the Bull$hitter

    P.S. When programs "WIN" awards, most of them actually pay for those awards. Boasting about winning igaming awards...lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by AussieDave View Post
    ...

    Edit:
    Serious question here - who at the GPWA writes this dribble or more so approves it?

    https://www.gpwa.org/forum/king-billy-partners.html
    We do not create the marketing materials for programs. We do fill in the information regarding the program's highlights, on that same page is the program fee and effective revenue share.


    • Program Admin Fee: 35%
    • Effective Revenue Share: 16.25%-32.5%

    We want to provide information that is transparent as possible. We have added to the information we provide and will always strive to improve on how we present the info. We are requiring programs to put on their email blast if an admin fee does apply to the amount they are stating. I can start some internal discussions regarding also adding some similar text in the descriptions.

    I would like to see all programs get away from advertising high revenue percentages that have admin fees attached to it. If the top revenue share is 32% then just clearly say it is 32%. As I stated in a previous post, affiliates should not have to get out a calculator to find out what their revenue share is going to be. This is an industry wide issue and it is good that many affiliates are professionally voicing their concerns. It is the only way programs will ever consider making a change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony View Post
    If the top revenue share is 32% then just clearly say it is 32%. As I stated in a previous post, affiliates should not have to get out a calculator to find out what their revenue share is going to be. This is an industry wide issue and it is good that many affiliates are professionally voicing their concerns. It is the only way programs will ever consider making a change.

    Affiliates are being treated like MUGS, and scammed with these FAKE fees.

    Anyone knowing a program is promoting/advertising BOGUS commission %, yet still accepts sponsorship is, the exact reason why, this industry, is full of crooks, and scammers.

    After 21 years in this industry, it's clear-as-day that changes only come about, if or when, fees, scams or anything else are risking the earnings of the large networks, and or those who could make a difference BUT choose to sit on their hands, and do NOTHING...All accept rake in the cash!

    I spotted a post in a forum yesterday, which basically sums all this thievery up.

    A player based in CA, who had self excluded from a casino group, some how managed to open more player accounts. Ironically, by using the same ID information and as the previous "self exclusion" accounts were opened under.

    Reiterating... He used the same (identical) ID on these new accounts, as he'd used on his previously verified accounts.

    He then made deposits totally CA$5K+. It was only when this player tried to withdrawal a win, that this player was flagged.

    The casino has called this "fraud" and has confiscated both the player's winnings and his CA$5K+ in deposits. Confiscating the winnings under these circumstances is appropriate. However, stealing this player's $5K is criminal.

    This industry has become a cesspool.

    The online gambling industry on a whole has, allowed this industry to become a catchment area for criminals, scammers and those who are both morally and ethically bankrupt. If this thread and others like it over the years, doesn't attest to this, then nothing does, or ever will.
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    This is how it looks like from AFF perspective....


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    .. with one exception

    We are not the customers. We are selling them the product, not the other way around. They have nothing to advertise. They offer a deal.

    And yes, all affiliate programs nowadays try to change the narrative as like we are the customers, because then the gravity of power is shifting further towards them. This is the first thing I am actually observing: when the affiliate program is treating me right next to the gamblers, as a customer, it is a big red flag.

    Now I hope you saw the change - maybe conscious, maybe sub-conscious - of the biggest anarchist of GPWA PROFRBcom, who - as counter reaction started to use a term "my clients".

    Until the affiliate software is in the blockchain, the clients are ours as much as "our" money in the bank. Not your keys, not your clients.

    Either way we should not use analogy that this is like someone selling us a hamburger. They are really not selling us nothing else than bs when we let them talk like that they are selling something. The Mcdonals is selling burgers and he can hike up prices as much as he want or deliver lower quality product. This narrative in affiliate marketing is totally unacceptable.

    I even hate all the contents like top 10 affiliates will get blabla voucher. It is the same bs. Esecially when this gift-reward is tied to some higher performance. It is nothing else than a psychological game, where instead of sending me extra 200K, they will send me 200 worth earphones and in my DNA is then engraved that I have to be grateful for that. Be aware.

    When the reward is not tied to some future performance, it is ok to send a bottle of vodka or whatever. Or invitation to some party is acceptable. That has some level of dignity.

    And again a bit of shill. See bet365. They are excellent even in this. They do not play this game, they just pay money and that is it. AAA class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    Now I hope you saw the change - maybe conscious, maybe sub-conscious - of the biggest anarchist of GPWA PROFRBcom, who - as counter reaction started to use a term "my clients".
    1) I have never been called an anarchist before.
    2) I do not think I qualify as an anarchist.
    3) They are my mother******* clients and if any site ever screws me I will go to war against them SEO wise to revenge the theft of my clients. I have done it before and will do it again. I get better with each iteration.
    4) One of my partners now says... "your clients? those are MY clients!"... and they will be the first ************* I tear down if they screw me.
    5) I work 5x harder for revenge now than I do for money. Revenge is less plentiful a resource

    Peace

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    Ok whatever, one is calling for revenge nowadays just by giving any attributes to anybody. I am sorry if I offended you. I just agreed that I will burn car of mechanic of my landlord that scammed him, so yes, revenge is a great motivator. (I have never burnt a car, I just want to have fun for the record.) Revenge is why we post in this thread.

    WTF we are talking here about. That 45%<30%. Just fo or I burn your car. Love&peace
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    Quote Originally Posted by AussieDave View Post
    Affiliates are being treated like MUGS, and scammed with these FAKE fees.

    Anyone knowing a program is promoting/advertising BOGUS commission %, yet still accepts sponsorship is, the exact reason why, this industry, is full of crooks, and scammers.

    After 21 years in this industry, it's clear-as-day that changes only come about, if or when, fees, scams or anything else are risking the earnings of the large networks, and or those who could make a difference BUT choose to sit on their hands, and do NOTHING...All accept rake in the cash!

    I spotted a post in a forum yesterday, which basically sums all this thievery up.

    A player based in CA, who had self excluded from a casino group, some how managed to open more player accounts. Ironically, by using the same ID information and as the previous "self exclusion" accounts were opened under.

    Reiterating... He used the same (identical) ID on these new accounts, as he'd used on his previously verified accounts.

    He then made deposits totally CA$5K+. It was only when this player tried to withdrawal a win, that this player was flagged.

    The casino has called this "fraud" and has confiscated both the player's winnings and his CA$5K+ in deposits. Confiscating the winnings under these circumstances is appropriate. However, stealing this player's $5K is criminal.

    This industry has become a cesspool.

    The online gambling industry on a whole has, allowed this industry to become a catchment area for criminals, scammers and those who are both morally and ethically bankrupt. If this thread and others like it over the years, doesn't attest to this, then nothing does, or ever will.
    If Affiliates promote unlicensed Casinos or Curacao Casinos than this is obv. happening .. I don't say that all Curacao Casinos do that but I'm pretty sure the majority not to mentioned accepting US Players and other stuff going on. The top of the cake are Affiliates in licensed jurisdictions who are adding this Casinos as they are given better Bonus and higher deals.

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