Programs NOT affiliated with EM

[mojo]

leads me to ask for some form of clarification

Does that mean that those that continue to carry the CAP seal or work with them are uncaring affiliates?

Of course not. Apologies if it sounded that way. My point was that some affiliates will react one way and some a different way. I may react differently than you or Jinnia or anyone else. We are all free to choose and to correct myself we ALL care. That is what should bring us together.

I should stop now because I am not sure my words are coming out correctly.

[Betpartners]

No Mojo carry on mate, i was being over sensitive

See what this thing is doing?

I lurk over at casinomeister, enjoy reading the posts etc and i see how wrong words that are not meant get all messy over there as well, i am as guilty as anyone for that

[pgaming]

As any oppressive regime, IMO CAP some affiliates feel rouging maybe the final solution. Too often, good actions can mask bad intentions. I truly believe CAP is a con job hiding there’ own motives while pretending there really out to help the affiliate.

Get with the new era. The self proclaimed, self-serving, ethnocentric, and so-called Industry Leaders known as CAP is bogus. By their own actions we all bleed while they try to untangle themselves from their own hypocrisy.

The CAP seal means nothing it carries no merit. Good thing there are alternatives, AGD, GPWA, GIA and many others. There are plenty of conference alternatives as well. So what is the problem? Carry the CAP seal and pay your fees. CAP will lead the blind to you.

By rouging CAP IMO we are essentially setting ourselves free from the falsity of CAP. Distancing ourselves and giving our players real facts.



greek39/cpack

[Betpartners]

As any oppressive regime, IMO CAP some affiliates feel rouging maybe the final solution. Too often, good actions can mask bad intentions. I truly believe CAP is a con job hiding there’ own motives while pretending there really out to help the affiliate.

Get with the new era. The self proclaimed, self-serving, ethnocentric, and so-called Industry Leaders known as CAP is bogus. By their own actions we all bleed while they try to untangle themselves from their own hypocrisy.

The CAP seal means nothing it carries no merit. Good thing there are alternatives, AGD, GPWA, GIA and many others. There are plenty of conference alternatives as well. So what is the problem? Carry the CAP seal and pay your fees. CAP will lead the blind to you.

By rouging CAP IMO we are essentially setting ourselves free from the falsity of CAP. Distancing ourselves and giving our players real facts.



greek39/cpack

I dont blame anyone for rouging CAP but i think it is getting silly rouging those that carry the CAP seal.

I have just had a look over at CAP and they are getting new certified members as we speak (well not literally as we speak)

Boylesports have joined them and a few others all since this has exploded, in addition in a thread discussing bannings i see the likes of intertops as an example contributing and saying move one etc.

My point is CAP seems to be going on as usual, does not seem to be doing them any harm now and the suggestion that they are going to implode does not seem to be occuring.

A lot of visitors that go to CAP click on their seal on portals and when they get there they wont even be aware that a) this scandal erupted b) that any of the other creditation sites even exist.

All it is doing now these continous threads about CAP is giving an impression of a witch hunt.

Note i said impression before i get flamed

We all know what CAP has done and some have taken action etc but the idea that CAP will implode seems far fetched and you ahve to question what these threads serve anymore and who are they damaging now.

Not CAP anymore it seems

[pgaming]

but the idea that CAP will implode seems far fetched

I agree a really far out concept. But what is not far fetched I and lot of others will be looking else where for reputable programs. Boils down to trust and alternative motives CAP may have.

greek39

[mojo]

I had posted this way back when this all started in the private section for my friends here. It may help to bring it here in public so there may be a better understanding. I am not so much concerned with 'old timers' or words like witch hunt, bashing, anti-something. They have no effect. Anyway, this is where I'm coming from if it helps. I have edited some.

With all of the recent posts regarding CAP, I thought maybe we should talk here in private. Whether you agree or disagree or are impartial doesn't matter. Whether you speak up or not doesn't matter either.

My son joined gpwa. He is xxxxxxx. He has no idea what is going on as I am just starting to help him on his site. I don't think we are the only multi-generational ones here.

For me it is important to leave this business in a better fashion than we found it. So I will continue, as a mom, to fight to make it better every day. With all of the scandal, which to me is the biggest shakeup I've ever seen, I sincerely hope I have not offended anyone. I just want to say that whatever I do to continue to fight the fight is for my son and the next generation to come to the GPWA. I think we are responsible for that. This is a VERY lucrative business. I want to make it a better world for them.

[wagerprofits]

Wow this thread has kept bang on topic.........

A huge response from other rooms.

Shaun

[mojo]

Wow this thread has kept bang on topic.........

A huge response from other rooms.

Shaun

I love forums. We could be talking about the solar eclipse and end up talking passionately about purple sneakers.

I wouldn't worry to much about programs not responding here. Many will speak up other ways.

[pgaming]

Wow this thread has kept bang on topic.........

A huge response from other rooms.

Shaun

Maybe not a huge response coercion works I suppose. Certainly a relatively huge amount off onlookers going by the thread view.

Here's the topic:

It's been brought up that those who do have relationships with EM might be to worried about being crucified by the community to admit it.

This thread is for are there any programs who wish to step up to the plate and assert that they have in no way been associated with EM outside of simple certification. It will help distance your company from the commotion and could only have a positive effect.

Here is a great place to show that you never did business with EM in such a way that you were deceptive to affiliates and compromised your transparency by actually allowing EM to run your affiliate program, poker room or casino.

Maybe I am still in the minority - but I'd like to have an idea of how far EM reaches. Are we talking about two properties? Or twenty? Surely some will come forward to say they have had nothing to do with EM.

greek39

[Betpartners]

well seeing as the chatter box is getting dominated by CAP threads the word overkill springs to mind

Maybe, just maybe, people are all capped out now

[wagerprofits]

Greek39


You could be right 1,171 views......


Shaun

Maybe not a huge response coercion works I suppose. Certainly a relatively huge amount off onlookers going by the thread view.

Here's the topic:



greek39

[Jinnia]

Jinnia you said

"Ask me anythang, I'll answer."

Hence the reason i did, please dont think i am having a pop at you i am just trying to understand.

By roguing CAP you are in a way roguing anybody that works with them.

So my questions still stand lets say I did remove the CAP seal (that yes I did pay for) would you work with Wager Profits and me???

Shaun

Yes, I said that.

If you truly want to know, my answer is no, I won't work with WP if the
seal is dropped. Not until at least 6 months to a year goes by.

Now, you are going to ask me why I won't, and why a time span?

Don't bother, it's just my personal choice.

[Jinnia]

Correct Jinnia, I was NOT singling you out....

Let's NOT lose sight of what we are upset about...

Many felt there is/was a potential conflict of interest with EM working too closely with affiliate programs and also working too closely with CAP and sharing some common ownership between the companies...

Then with the seal program, another potential layer of conflict can exist.

This thread in it's original intention was not to discuss those conflicts as much as it was a call to programs to state that they in fact were/were not connected to EM in any way....but it seems any thread can easily degrade into anti-cap in the blink of an eye lately.

I for one would very much like to see threads get back on track, there are plenty of threads in exisitience that cover numerous discussions that they should not all end up so.....

Rick
Universal4

Anti-Cap? Another word to add to the list.

It is not anti-cap, it is ethics, morals, and trust.

Yes, back on track.

But you, like myself and many thers know, AM's are not going to come
foward and say if they are cnnected to/use EM.

Maybe some will come forward and say they are not. Who knows.

[mojo]

Anti-Cap? Another word to add to the list.

It is not anti-cap, it is ethics, morals, and trust.

I have a lot of respect for Jinnia getting beat up here for doing what she thinks is right.

Like it or not, Jinnia only represents one of the many affiliates afraid to speak up. Much as everyone would like to bury this, these forums are for the affiliates.

[thepokerkeep]

I have a lot of respect for Jinnia getting beat up here for doing what she thinks is right.

Like it or not, Jinnia only represents one of the many affiliates afraid to speak up. Much as everyone would like to bury this, these forums are for the affiliates.

I have a lot of respect for Shaun. He's the only AM who had the balls to come into this thread and speak up. Even though he made it clear he's not associated with EM, he's being burned at the stake.

Jinnia,
You said "If you truly want to know, my answer is no, I won't work with WP if the seal is dropped. Not until at least 6 months to a year goes by.

Now, you are going to ask me why I won't, and why a time span?

Don't bother, it's just my personal choice." in response to Shaun's question inquiring whether you would continue to promote Wager Profits if he removed the CAP seal.

So, I have to ask, how many programs have you decided to drop?
Is Wager Profits the only program you've blacklisted to date?
Will you be removing Full Tilt and Poker Stars from your site?

It seems to me that you're doing exactly the type of thing that CAP is being roqued for....
It's my way or the highway! Remove CAP's seal or I'll drop your site from my portal!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that one of the major complaints about CAP? Call it what you want, blackmail, coercion, demand, it's the same tactic that you're accusing CAP of using.

And why a six month or one year ban on Wager Profits even if they remove the seal? This sounds like a personal vendetta to me, not really anything to do with CAP. Shaun is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

Shaun,
I moved your banner to the top of my home page in a show of support and respect. It will remain there at least until the end of March.

[wagerprofits]

Jinnia

I am not going to ask you any more questions, I just wish you luck in running your business as a huge percentage of the rooms and casinos have the CAP/PAP seal.

I wish you luck.

Shaun

Yes, I said that.

If you truly want to know, my answer is no, I won't work with WP if the
seal is dropped. Not until at least 6 months to a year goes by.

Now, you are going to ask me why I won't, and why a time span?

Don't bother, it's just my personal choice.

[wagerprofits]

thepokerkeep

You are the man.


Do you have a hangover this morning???

A question for you all lets say i add the PAL seal does that give me a boost in your eyes?????


Shaun

I have a lot of respect for Shaun. He's the only AM who had the balls to come into this thread and speak up. Even though he made it clear he's not associated with EM, he's being burned at the stake.

Jinnia,
You said "If you truly want to know, my answer is no, I won't work with WP if the seal is dropped. Not until at least 6 months to a year goes by.

Now, you are going to ask me why I won't, and why a time span?

Don't bother, it's just my personal choice." in response to Shaun's question inquiring whether you would continue to promote Wager Profits if he removed the CAP seal.

So, I have to ask, how many programs have you decided to drop?
Is Wager Profits the only program you've blacklisted to date?
Will you be removing Full Tilt and Poker Stars from your site?

It seems to me that you're doing exactly the type of thing that CAP is being roqued for....
It's my way or the highway! Remove CAP's seal or I'll drop your site from my portal!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that one of the major complaints about CAP? Call it what you want, blackmail, coercion, demand, it's the same tactic that you're accusing CAP of using.

And why a six month or one year ban on Wager Profits even if they remove the seal? This sounds like a personal vendetta to me, not really anything to do with CAP. Shaun is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

Shaun,
I moved your banner to the top of my home page in a show of support and respect. It will remain there at least until the end of March.

[arkyt]

Is Wager Profits the only program you've blacklisted to date?

Did you actually read any of her posts?

Maybe I missed it but I don't think she said she was blacklisting WagerProfits and to my knowledge no one has. All she has done is exercise her rights and desire to to not work with them because they have publicly stated they fully support CAP. That doesn't necessarily mean they are rogue.

Further she stated she currently does NOT have wagerprofits on any of her sites. Thus closing her account won't affect her at all ... its about ethics and morals - believing in doing whats right!

Shaun, I don't care whos seal you carry - put them all up if you wish - thats your choice and your right. Have a good day ...

[thepokerkeep]

Did you actually read any of her posts?

Maybe I missed it but I don't think she said she was blacklisting WagerProfits and to my knowledge no one has. All she has done is exercise her rights and desire to to not work with them because they have publicly stated they fully support CAP. That doesn't necessarily mean they are rogue.

Further she stated she currently does NOT have wagerprofits on any of her sites. Thus closing her account won't affect her at all ... its about ethics and morals - believing in doing whats right!

Shaun, I don't care whos seal you carry - put them all up if you wish - thats your choice and your right. Have a good day ...

I've read all her posts!
Use whatever terminology you wish, it's all the same... Jinnia has stated that she will stop promoting all programs that refuse to remove the CAP seal... I would call that "blacklisting".
She also stated that the money doesn't matter to her, that's why I'm asking if she has removed any other programs to date or is she only singling out Wager Profits, the one program that she makes no money from anyway!
Just want to make sure I have all the facts straight.

[wagerprofits]

Arkyt

Sorry but you not read any of my posts?????????

At which point have I fully supported CAP?

The only thing I have said is that they put on a bloody good show, so how is that showing full support?

Shaun

Did you actually read any of her posts?

Maybe I missed it but I don't think she said she was blacklisting WagerProfits and to my knowledge no one has. All she has done is exercise her rights and desire to to not work with them because they have publicly stated they fully support CAP. That doesn't necessarily mean they are rogue.

Further she stated she currently does NOT have wagerprofits on any of her sites. Thus closing her account won't affect her at all ... its about ethics and morals - believing in doing whats right!

Shaun, I don't care whos seal you carry - put them all up if you wish - thats your choice and your right. Have a good day ...