Do you dare read?

[giggles7p]

Can't we just all get along??

LMAOOOOO

[Caruso]

It is one thing to state your opinion it becomes something else when it turns into personal attacks.

Depends how you define "personal attacks". You can't do ****, then spend the rest of forever complaining about being "attacked personally" when people complain about you doing ****. Remember Fabiano? - he took that to a fine art. A veritable maestro of hypocrisy.

I'm the last person to defend anything Bailey does, but the criticism about Virtual was valid. The response, "you'd better watch your step", was in fact a threat.

That said, I have no doubt there were agendas at work there, which Gamtrak found herself on the sticky end of. The OP's criticism was valid. The motives behind the follow up more than likely were not.

[GCG]

If I read all of this my stomach turns inside out ............it is just like C(r)AP in its worst days......can we please stop this nonsense and do some useful stuff like checking programs for being honest etc.

I thought this was more important, guess I must be mistaken. Good luck with your white knight cruisades and personal attacks.....it will not bring you the bread and butter.....just another bad day... time you could have spent elsewhere....

I have not been to any event and will most likely never attend one ever before the eternal lights go on, I just do not like these glitter and glamour things costing fortunes while investing money in good affiliate backends that are useful and transparent are forgotten when we all are drunk.

[joeyl]

But the player panel is being held by these guys igb mag/alex pratt, who I thought renamed the capeuro because obviously cap are'nt involved right.

jeez.

You need eyes in the back of your head around this game.

[pgaming]

The criticism about Gam’s involvement with Virtual (Gambling Wages) was indeed valid. But not valid was the relentless assault bestowed on her as if these critical alligators walked in her shoes since birth. These people did not channel their aggression towards the Virtual Group or any of thousands of other affiliates who publicly display I SUPPORT THE VIRTUAL GROUP. Nope just her, over and over again, like a group of chimps with one banana.

I personally do not know Gam, nor do I carry an army of allies (I walk Alone), but the fact is it is very hypocritical and disturbing. This **** has been going on for years, nonstop BS. The threats, name calling, hacks, anything short of visiting her home.

Yours truly,

The incompetent, drunk dickhead village idiot lol.

greek39

[mojo]

GPWA give us exposure via a private forum, in their emails and in
their mag so they get a free stand (worth £4,500), profile in
the delegate guide, logos on the website, and distribution of the mag
in the media area.

I'm sure £4,500 is not the top of the line booth. How many booths are
there again? 100? 200? How much advertising? What is CAPS cut again? I
must of missed that.

I found it. It's confidential.

Cap made 4mil a year on the CAP forum by strong-arming programs. That has been admitted, signed sealed and delivered by GPWA. Are
the confs the same? Taking advantage of our beloved aff programs?
Again? Little birdies tell me these confs are VERY expensive.

Has the Cardspike affiliates been paid yet? Who owns Absolute Slots
aka FortuneReel or whatever it is now? What happened with that?

£4,500 x how many booths? Minimum? Maximum? To Cap again? Will we
let 2010 see an even more increase in price?

One year ago:

https://www.gpwa.org/forum/what-do-y...zy-177751.html

December 8, 2009 Casinomeister writes:

That's the problem with the affy's - short term memory loss. And that is
exactly what CAP is banking on - that in a couple of years from the
great meltdown, all
is forgotten...

Yes all is forgotten but not by affys. I am a great admirer of CM, please don't get me wrong .. however.. One only has to read here. Affys are not the problem here.

Please lets not let what happened a year ago repeat itself. Protect our aff programs from CAP.

[arkyt]

You can't do ****, then spend the rest of forever complaining about being "attacked personally" when people complain about you doing ****. Remember Fabiano? - he took that to a fine art. A veritable maestro of hypocrisy.

Thats status quo in this industry and has been for as long as I've been around 8+ years.

There are cliques of bestest pals who are at times quick to defend even the indefensible. No doubt they do this as it secures their standing in the virtual hierarchy of babbling bozos who have been cast in their undeserving thrones.

When you call any of these individuals out, they play the victim, shout and curse you down, then wait for their blubbering pals to come in and pile on. As long as the masses allow it to happen it will, and quite frankly, IMO that will be forever because the majority of affiliates aren't here for each other - they're here for themselves!

Its all about the $$$ - Period! If person A thinks person B might give them a better chance of making a buck that person C will - who are they going to align themselves with? Even if person B is knowingly a wolve in sheep's disguise - as long as they give person A the best opportunity at some level of assumed personal success they can and will ignore everything else.

If group ABC can work together to keep group XYZ or individual Q down because it permits them to be more successful - make no doubt that ABC will do just that with all their vigor when they perceive that it is required.

Look no further than those who seem to show up every single time anything remotely negative is said about certain individuals in this industry - it truly is a hilarious as its practically the only time they show up; yet you can count on them like clockwork.

It truly is a sad state of affairs.

[joeyl]

He didn't go because it was a week before EIG. For some people, there is benefit in attending EIG, and he felt he couldn't attend both. What's wrong with that?

Personally, I would've had the same complaint - and would've chosen one or the other (probably would've gone to Budapest though).


Flip flopping?

C'mon Robyn, you can do better than that.

Bryan said he was'nt going to the Cap conference last year because of the conflict of interest, and the strongarming of the aff scene.

He did go to the awards though, which I thought was odd.

Gamtrak and anyone else misunderstanding Bryan's point of view here is'nt especially difficult to do.

Bryan would'nt be doing the panel if it were still called Capeuro for example, I surmise.

Arkyt's argueing "it's business as usual" on the aff conference scene. Maybe it's not, but the man looking in from the outside is seeing the same faces, are'nt they.

What is your position?

I just think it would be simpler if Warren sold up to be honest.

[GamTrak]

Bryan said he was'nt going to the Cap conference last year because of the conflict of interest, and the strongarming of the aff scene.

He did go to the awards though, which I thought was odd.

Gamtrak and anyone else misunderstanding Bryan's point of view here is'nt especially difficult to do.

Bryan would'nt be doing the panel if it were still called Capeuro for example, I surmise.

Arkyt's argueing "it's business as usual" on the aff conference scene. Maybe it's not, but the man looking in from the outside is seeing the same faces, are'nt they.

What is your position?

I just think it would be simpler if Warren sold up to be honest.

And let's not forget exactly HOW (and at who's expense) Warren got to be the 'organizer' of the initial events in the first place (how soon crusaders forget). THAT was some brilliant cut throat work they did to make it happen, but it's none of my business and as an affiliate I've basically been told to shutup and stop going for the jugular! Go figure!

Why sell out when you have the 'sellouts' to cater to!

[GamTrak]

Can't we just all get along??

LMAOOOOO

Sure we can! As long as we utilize the [ignore] option the forum has available!

[Spearmaster]

Bryan said he was'nt going to the Cap conference last year because of the conflict of interest, and the strongarming of the aff scene.

None of us (that's me, Simmo, Webzcas and Casinomeister) went to the conference last year because we had already planned an outing in Bath. We were there in the morning for a few meetings before we left at just about the time the action was taking place.

You might be right about the "strongarming" bit though. My mind is a bit occupied at the moment so I'm not recalling many things from the past and not interested in researching the past either, but that does ring a bell.

BTW, we had all been invited to the awards by someone and it would not have been polite to back out. Which does suggest that something was afoot indeed but as I said my brain is a little preoccupied at the moment...

[Caruso]

People will have to decide for themselves about the affiliate event.

I don't have any issues with Warren Jolly, other than over the course of a small number of communications regarding my publicity of certain CAP matters I got the very clear message that things might go in a certain direction if I didn't do a certain something (it all pettered out in the end). However, I've heard allegations about bullying behavior and the use of trite threats of lawsuits for the purpose of obliging the affy in question to spend money on legal responses and, I suppose, generally shut up. That much is extremely worying and unacceptable.

There is a convenient international gambling event the three days immediately before the affy conference. It would be no great hardship to attend this, and give the conference a miss, if it's considered that attending revitalises CAP / Affiliate Media's hold on the conference scene.

[GamTrak]

People will have to decide for themselves about the affiliate event.

I don't have any issues with Warren Jolly, other than over the course of a small number of communications regarding my publicity of certain CAP matters I got the very clear message that things might go in a certain direction if I didn't do a certain something (it all pettered out in the end). However, I've heard allegations about bullying behavior and the use of trite threats of lawsuits for the purpose of obliging the affy in question to spend money on legal responses and, I suppose, generally shut up. That much is extremely worying and unacceptable.

There is a convenient international gambling event the three days immediately before the affy conference. It would be no great hardship to attend this, and give the conference a miss, if it's considered that attending revitalises CAP / Affiliate Media's hold on the conference scene.

Hardships in a recession? I certainly know what that's like and why I did what I did, but attending LAC and supporting a rogue just to socialize and gain exposure for your business is not the same as putting food on the table IMO!!!

I also want to be clear that no one should not go if they have paid for everything. It's not your fault that you were mislead, but that's another situation in itself that IS NOT my business so I'll leave it be.

[Caruso]

No great hardship meaning if you'd booked for ICE / LAC, you could always choose just ICE. At worst, you'd be left with two / three spare days in London prior to flight home. I can think of worse.

[Shaun O'neill]

To be honest i dont really see why affiliates would want attend ICE apart from having a look around, the only thing i have ever gained from ICE is meeting a few payment processors and catching up with friends, for me i have always gained more from the actual affiliate events.

Robin now that Marc is now going to have CAC will we meet?

Thanks

Shaun

[Webzcas]

To be honest i dont really see why affiliates would want attend ICE apart from having a look around,

The ICE has been on the calendar a lot longer than CAP Euro. Indeed CAP Euro attached to the end of ICE, like they now do so with other established gaming industry events.

FWIW, I always attend the ICE and have done so since going full time. I first met affiliate managers at ICE and also other webmasters, as ICE was used and still is a good event to arrange meetings.

[GamTrak]

To be honest i dont really see why affiliates would want attend ICE apart from having a look around, the only thing i have ever gained from ICE is meeting a few payment processors and catching up with friends, for me i have always gained more from the actual affiliate events.

Robin now that Marc is now going to have CAC will we meet?

Thanks

Shaun

You betcha! I love Amsterdam & always liked to attend CAC events in the past so I will be there!

[Nandakishore]

You betcha! I love Amsterdam & always liked to attend CAC events in the past so I will be there!

I think I will also be in Amsterdam. It will be nice to meet you, Robin.

[Nandakishore]

It is sometimes good if one misses a thread at the beginning. Well it took me couple of hours to go through this thread today, but I am glad that I was not involved (indirectly) in this drama going on since January 5. Here is the gist of what I learned by reading this thread.

1. We are quite good at hitting out to everyone right and left relentlessly. Maybe that is necessary to make discussions really informative, but it is also really shocking.
2. It is now quite clear that in all events organized by iGB - CAP, Warren or some proxy - are involved as important sponsor and/or marketing platform. Anyone attending any such event as a visitor or an actor - whether as owner of a booth or moderator of any forums - should know that they are involved - directly or indirectly - in business transactions with the above mentioned organizations. Whether it is morally acceptable or not, is a different issue, and I think should be left to individual discretions.

[Caruso]

2. It is now quite clear that in all events organized by iGB - CAP, Warren or some proxy - are involved as important sponsor and/or marketing platform. Anyone attending any such event as a visitor or an actor - whether as owner of a booth or moderator of any forums - should know that they are involved - directly or indirectly - in business transactions with the above mentioned organizations. Whether it is morally acceptable or not, is a different issue, and I think should be left to individual discretions.

Except that the implications are very wide. To say, "well, go if you want" would be to downplay them. For an event for which you've already booked, like this one, OK. But you might want to seriously think about it in the future, and argue your case.