Do you dare read?

[giggles7p]

Can I ask a question? I admit to not knowing what goes on behind the scenes with contacts and stuff, But....

When CAP owners admitted to law breaking deeds, mistreatment of aff. money and members....wouldn't that of cancelled any contract they may have signed with other companies that they have business with?

I mean if Alex has contracts with them, that are still in place and were in place back when CAP was found out or when Warren and Lou were found out, wouldn't there deeds have cancelled any legal contract with others businesses if those other businesses decided to drop them?

Pat

[PokerNations]

Can I ask a question? I admit to not knowing what goes on behind the scenes with contacts and stuff, But....

When CAP owners admitted to law breaking deeds, mistreatment of aff. money and members....wouldn't that of cancelled any contract they may have signed with other companies that they have business with?

I mean if Alex has contracts with them, that are still in place and were in place back when CAP was found out or when Warren and Lou were found out, wouldn't there deeds have cancelled any legal contract with others businesses if those other businesses decided to drop them?

Pat

I assume this would depend upon what was written into the original contracts as escape clauses?

[GamTrak]

Thanks guys! Actually, it goes way beyond just attending for me and I really did not want to bring up such bad memories, but the fact is I had planned on exhibiting in the near future to market my software/affiliate program that I've worked VERY hard on and paid a lot of money to get done!

When I was a mod at a CAP and defended them to the death, because I was not given truthful answers and thought the accusations were lies after asking the tough questions, I felt like an idiot when the truth came out.

Prior to that I was damn near thrown under the bus over that rome audit mistake that they made & tried to cover up and in addition to that I was locked out of CAP by Warren for NO reason and with no explaination/warning at all when he locked Lou out. So much for giving me the benefit of the doubt or a fair chance let alone allowing GamTrak to have a booth the same size as theirs in the future.

Due to the reasons above I'm VERY upset to now find out that they profit from the conference that I wanted to attend/exhibit at and is the last straw for me. I'm done and as long as Alex has to have CAP as a partner then I feel so sad for him because he is a great guy stuck in a rough place.

[BeckyCA]

1. The CAP events (now events like LAC) seemed to start as an attempt to run Marc Lesnick and his CAC events out... squash all competition (like what they tried to do with Andy and others). CAC is a top notch event - I went to the last three held in Las Vegas. I know people have different opinions of Marc - but I think he's got the right attitude and lacks conflicts of interest. Try teaming up with him - he'd love to increase traffic to his show.

I just got off the phone with Marc Lesnik...a good, solid, typical 1 hour convo, haa . He wanted me to pass on the message that he's sorry for being MIA- he went through several family losses in 2009 so it was a tough year for him. Anyway, the good news is that he's doing well and the CAC Amsterdam will be taking place Thursday and Friday, April 15th-16th at Kras.

Should be good!

Becky

[arkyt]

I just got off the phone with Marc Lesnik...

the CAC Amsterdam will be taking place Thursday and Friday, April 15th-16th at Kras.

The same guy who promised that he would take on an active approach to end the unethical activities taking place on his own personal forum... sadly the place is as bad as ever. The same guy who a few years back called those who chose to not attend his conference cowards. CAC - another conference not deserving of any of this industries money!

[Puma]

Please let me know if I understand this.

A guy gets caught stealing from affiliates

The same guy runs and hides for months

The guy is found to run an affiliate conference upcoming

A member is wondering why and how this is possible

Staff from good gambling portals are working on a site owned by the same guy in an attempt to better things for affiliates in general.

Seems messy, Im running away now.....

[GamTrak]

Please let me know if I understand this.

A guy gets caught stealing from affiliates

The same guy runs and hides for months

The guy is found to run an affiliate conference upcoming

A member is wondering why and how this is possible

Staff from good gambling portals are working on a site owned by the same guy in an attempt to better things for affiliates in general.

Seems messy, Im running away now.....

Yep, and add that to the fact that Casinomeister's statement okaying everything and you have the clear picture of just how some pick and choose where to apply the ethics rule.

Wow! What an dramatic meltdown (at GPWA) - affiliates at their best going for the jugular

I'm not equating the LAC conference as a CAP conference. As far as I'm concerned, even though there may be a CAP finger or two in the pie, that's not a justification for an all out boycott of the event.

The reason I am going is for my panel discussion which I feel supersedes any affiliate conflicts/dilemmas/bitch-and-moaning/rogueness etc. since it deals primarily with the players and what they want.

That's important, isn't it?

All this posturing and banner waving is secondary to player needs IMO. I think a lot of people are forgetting that. It's because of the player that affiliates are able to run a business, and this is the first time EVER that players have been invited to share what's on their minds.

I'll be there - Max will be there along with Vinylweatherman, Slotster and thelawnet. It's amazing how affiliate politics overshadow this.

Oh yea that really makes sense and is so legitamate! What a crock of crap. Guess us affiliates best shut up then.

[gamblingbutler]

While I fully understand the uproar in this thread about CAP, its forum and the conferences I think all of this still is very very useful for affiliates. If feel that browsing as many aff forums as possible educates any given affiliate to some extend and I therefore encourage everyone to do so! Also the conferences are of value every time.

And last not least, CAP forum still has traffic and affiliates show up and ask questions and for help. As long as we can contribute sth to help them, we will continue posting there! And this is despite knowing of the wrong doings that went or still go on over there...

But let me say it again, we know why people feel strongly about this issue and we can totally relate to it!

[PokerNations]

They lied, cheated, bullied and stole from us.......but hey, they've got traffic!

[arkyt]

Oh yea that really makes sense and is so legitamate! What a crock of crap.

Amen!

I wish someone would publish a list of attendees to each and every conference the last 8 years. No doubt you would see a very large percentage of repeat attendees who are at the heart of many of this industries underlying issues! I guess we should all be off hobknobbing and drinking till we puke, maybe then we could say we "benefitted" ...

[gamblingbutler]

They lied, cheated, bullied and stole from us.......but hey, they've got traffic!

Yes, google still somewhat loves them...

[Skinski]

They lied, cheated, bullied and stole from us.......but hey, they've got traffic!

Yep, and from what I read most folk could really care less for fear of missing some big wind ding with all the "ballers". From what I read and see in the mags and online, it's all about putting on airs if you ask me.

The simple fact is Cap will continue to make money from these things as long as affiliate programs keep supporting them, and that would come to a complete stop if affiliates would put their foot down, live by some sort of morals that is not about the almighty dollar and stop attending these conferences that CAP has their dirty paws in.

[Caruso]

Well, Michael made the right decision - rules are rules, whatever the greater implications may be.

In a fit of pique, I once took advantage of confidential information to take a public stance I wouldn't have otherwise been able to. I felt I was "right", as I was taking a position against dishonesty. I wasn't especially proud of myself, though, and still consider myself somewhat in the debt of the person whose not especially noble confidence I abused.

[gamblingbutler]

Yep, and from what I read most folk could really care less for fear of missing some big wind ding with all the "ballers". From what I read and see in the mags and online, it's all about putting on airs if you ask me.

The simple fact is Cap will continue to make money from these things as long as affiliate programs keep supporting them, and that would come to a complete stop if affiliates would put their foot down, live by some sort of morals that is not about the almighty dollar and stop attending these conferences that CAP has their dirty paws in.

I think terminating the conferences would be of help for nobody. They help the programmes and brands to attract new affiliates and helps the affiliates to bond and get great deals and get a good night at the town- and both ends get to meet and see who really is behind the "partner". Moral and ethics are important but affiliates - especially new ones - want and need money.

[GamTrak]

I guess you are only allowed to for the juglar if you are attacking GamTrak at his site, like he allowed Ronan to do! Yes, I'm pissed over it!

I best not see one more person over at his site (Casinomeister) bad-mouthing GamTrak from today on and him saying it's "legitamate" or I'm gonna get banned over my reply.

I'm so over the folks that 'do the right thing' when it benefits them or explain it away by saying 'it happens everywhere'!

The self-proclaimed 'Casino God' had a different tune last year, but managed to explain it all away.

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...-budapest.html

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tml#post289046

WTG Dude! That is some fancy 'flip floppin' going on there! Oh YES, I did go there.

[Webzcas]

Robin,

Take a chill pill. Seriously.

You are getting bent out of shape because you promoted Gambling Wages and got publically humiliated as a result of promoting them - You promoted them fully well knowing they have one of the worst reputations in the industry. You can't defend that. Anyone who promotes them and you were/are by no means alone cannot defend said promotion of their properties. But by finally taking them down off your sites the other week, you have done the right thing.

Attending a conference, which enables affiliates to meet with business partners and peers is no way the same as KNOWINGLY promoting a rogue casino group. Who are rogue for ripping off countless number of players. Players who are our lifeblood as affiliates.

A rogue casino group who are also ROGUED at some of the largest group of casino portals operated by SUPER AFFILIATES - Including Casino City.

So before you start with more attacks, charachter assasinations and anything else. Look at as to why you came in for criticism.

BTW Greek, before you respond. Just so you know and are fully aware. I don't stab people in the back, I would also say the same in person. But other than this comment, I refuse to stoop to your level, so this will be the last time I address you in a fora environment.

[Spearmaster]

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...-budapest.html

He didn't go because it was a week before EIG. For some people, there is benefit in attending EIG, and he felt he couldn't attend both. What's wrong with that?

Personally, I would've had the same complaint - and would've chosen one or the other (probably would've gone to Budapest though).

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tml#post289046

Flip flopping?

C'mon Robyn, you can do better than that.

[pgaming]

BTW Greek, before you respond. Just so you know and are fully aware. I don't stab people in the back, I would also say the same in person. But other than this comment, I refuse to stoop to your level, so this will be the last time I address you in a fora environment.

Correction that would be climb up to my level. I never accused you of stabbing anyone.

On that note enjoy mingling with the rogues at the conference. Line those pockets and speak two separate languages. Run back to your Calvary take a deep breathe and regroup. I will be ready LMAO

Enjoy that one particular speaker that made you shutter.

greek39

[GamTrak]

Flip flopping?

C'mon Robyn, you can do better than that.

You are right Spear. Flip flopping is not the right word, but I won't bother as I've had my say.

Basically, he allows folks like me to get attacked, but rise up for a few. Once I PM'ed about being harrassed by a member a year ago and he NEVER replied. I PM ronan to stop harrassing me and Bryan sends me a PM (which I did not open) with ronan's name in the subject!

I got a seven day supension for sticking up for myself before so I didn't bother going back to face the latest attack because I"m sure it will not go well no matter what I post.

Have a good day Spear!

[Anthony]

Everyone can make their own decisions on how they run their business.

It is one thing to state your opinion it becomes something else when it turns into personal attacks.

Lets get back to work and make 2010 a productive and profitable year for all.