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    To all,

    I am going to stop doing what I've done. I feel like the kicked dog here.

    After several weeks of day and night working on this (no compensation, out of free will to keep our industry clean) I am getting messages from people who are not even close to being able to understand just what I've done for them, how much effort it cost, and time I've put in.

    Really.

    I don't feel the need to say anything else.

    So be it.

    Calling me out for 'threatening'...

    Firm, adequate and immediate action is what's needed to clean this incredible criminal behind the elbow type of industry up. But, no. Let's just wait, and wait, and wait.

    You sort it out yourselves.

    I thought, I did a noble thing, to also save all of your asses too.

    Anyways, ...

    I won't even go on. I'll tell my lawyer to not go ahead.

    Now, if you'll excuse me, I am going to go to my boat and spend some time there, to try and forget about this whole depressing chapter of my life. I should have let it all go, and let you go with it. Why should I care about your pocket change being stolen by this hacker.

    BTW: Leopold, I don't give a rats arse about German law, nor about certain people who reside there.

    To all others, Sorry. But, I am out. I am threatening people.. boo f*cking hoo.

    No one was taking action, no one banned him, but the good programs. Not strange that I get aggravated is it?

    How would you feel, if you ask for a responds from gamestar, and you get none? Then, Herr Leopold jumps in.

    Farewell. I refuse to be who some people think they can make me out to be.

    I AM Sorry for all the good and well willing affiliates. I wish I could have 'made it' for all of you.

    Respectfully,

    ...
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    I am really saddened about it all. But I've taken my conclusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antihacker
    It was you who put them on the list. Not me.
    Yes, but you forget to point out one little thing:

    I wrote, that you should

    Quote Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung
    Open a thread for every casino in the specific sponsor area and ask the program representatives in this way directly (!), make a short report and ask if they want to do actions against this guy.
    and not (!), that these actions shall be done:

    Quote Originally Posted by antihacker
    All programs which were / are being promoted by the hacker are being reported to Law enforcement. [...] Please check my latest post about law enforcement shutting down businesses during investigations which will commence pretty soon.
    It's [YOUR STATEMENT] a fact, that you reported innocent programs to "Law enforcement" to "shutting down businesses".

    You don't make any difference between an unwilling helper and a perpetrator. Without any knowledge about the industry or about the persons in this industry for you all (!) programs on the list are criminals, and this is spiritual arson.

    Anonymous spiritual arson (reporting innocent programs to "Law enforcement" to "shutting down businesses") and in this way harming innocent representatives from innocent programs and endanger jobs from also innocent employees is not a funny game played by children in the Kindergarten. It's an unfathomable chutzpah, and have nothing to do with the thing, you started the thread with.

    Now it's time for audience to think about the true motive you opened this case. The beauty of truth, inspiration of the liturgy or charity should not be considered.

    My family is working in this industry since the very first days. Some of us in this industry are old men now -as I am. We have our differences, but we old warhorses know, that it is never too late to find the way to attaining purification and the highest wisdom. Reporting innocent programs to "Law enforcement" to "shutting down businesses" is not a part of the path.

    By the way: Writing ("friendly") posts into the program areas by new threads as I suggested but at the same time (!) behind the back reporting the same innocent programs to "Law enforcement" to "shutting down businesses" is not worth any further comment.

    If you will still find any advocates here by old or "real" GPWA members (no brought claqueurs) for this actions, then I am surprised.

    I was wrong. The first days I believed to see an enthusiastic helper. The attempt to cast the victim as the culprit, changed all, because latest now casinos on the list from a philosophical point of view are also victims.

    Leopold

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung View Post
    wurst
    All it took / or would have taken is a simple answer. Not from you, but from gamestar. What IS your relation to them?

    Anyways, you are out to make me look bad. And you've succeeded.

    You have done NOTHING but attack me here.

    I won't shut down any business, law enforcement would. But, thanks to you, nothing WILL happen.

    Steve will hack, hack and hack. Affiliate programs will cash in, cash in and cash in.

    One day, you might get it. But, I think you won't.

    No sweat of my back.

    Respectfully,

    PS: I wish you would have stand up for our industry as much as that you did for gamestar. I am wondering just why. Did they promise you $5?

    PPS: I WILL treat you as you have treated me. That I promise.

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    This just in: (From Google)

    verifiedcasinos. com
    /us-7/?c=0&p=thepyrates.com-online...r=

    3 days ago

    viciousgrip.com/?p=online-casino-usa
    3 days ago

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    4 days ago

    saraj.gov.mk/?p=online-casino-usa (.gov, really?)
    3 days ago

    noragourmet.com/whatsCooking/?p=online-casino-bonus
    4 days ago

    www.sandzacke.rs/?p=online-casino-no-deposit-bonus
    17 hours ago

    www.radio10.sr/?p=online-casino-us
    20 hours ago

    www.thebigfreechiplist.com/casino-bonus-blog
    14 hours ago

    hamiltonpark.ie/2014/?p=slots-online
    9 hours ago

    www.sandzacke.rs/?p=online-casino-no-deposit-bonus
    17 hours ago

    hamiltonpark.ie/2014/?p=slots-online
    9 hours ago

    And so on, and so on.

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    Dear reader,

    if you want to read the sad truth about this thread and how innocent programs and in this way innocent representatives and innocent employees will be put in the pillory, then please read the following post:

    https://www.gpwa.org/forum/urgent-al...tml#post766292

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    Debunking the debunker

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    wurst
    This is a forged quote. I didn't wrote the word "wurst".

    Quote Originally Posted by antihacker View Post
    All it took / or would have taken is a simple answer. Not from you, but from gamestar.
    A program with that name doesn't exist. The name of the program is Star Games Affiliates. In this case this is very important, because reports to Google or "Law enforcement" must be accurate. Forging quotes or accusing wrong persons or companies with wrong names, persons or companies, who perhaps with this wrong name exist, is really not a sign of seriousness!

    Quote Originally Posted by antihacker View Post
    What IS your relation to them?
    Harmony.

    Quote Originally Posted by antihacker
    Affiliate programs will cash in, cash in and cash in.
    When the mask slips ... Sigmund Freud would have great delight in reading this.

    Quote Originally Posted by antihacker
    I wish you would have stand up for our industry as much as that you did for gamestar. I am wondering just why. Did they promise you $5?
    One wonderful moment for me again, because I have to disappoint you. I don't work for Star Games Affiliates, and this forum is full of positive posts, written by me and donated to some really honest representatives in this industry I work with and also I don't work with. I don't need to get paid to say the truth. It's a matter of character.

    If I would have more time, perhaps I would find more wonderful programs. I simply have not enough time, and I decided to give a few programs great support instead 20 programs little support (if they are worth the support -I don't know, because no time ...). If I write something, it comes from the heart.

    Quote Originally Posted by antihacker
    I WILL treat you as you have treated me. That I promise.
    I tremble with fear.

    From now I will go on ignore level, because it's better to invest my expensive lifetime in persons, who are really worth that time. If you don't know, how the ignore level work, ask the GPWA mushroom specialist. He is not online the moment.

    By the way: I don't care about your threatening PM. It's no secret, that I am not impressed by these things. First grow up!

    So, now I will leave this bizarre scenario to enjoy the weekend. If I can look into the eyes of some members of our zoo in a few moments, I know, why pets are the better human beings.

    Good bye!

    Leopold

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung View Post
    ...
    I know you did not say wurst. If you would say wurst, it makes a lot more sense. But, your words sound like wurst to me. Es soll mich wurst wesen.

    Go in any mood you'd like. I wish you all the best.

    PS: Threatening PM?

    I said, he who throws a ball should expect it to bounce back. It simply is like that.

    Aufwiderschnitzel leo

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    each one latched on to the ass of the previous
    when the last and the first latch on it can be shown
    ass-blood sucked by the first from the last is his own

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    I don't know what is more disturbing. Someone exposing hacking being thrown to the dogs or the GPWA's apparent disinterest in doing anything about this.

    The programs benefit from this and there are complicit. A fool could see this. Spare me the legal parallel mumbo jumbo.

    Antihacker I am sorry that you get treated as some sort of pariah for exposing something that completely affects every single one of us that has anything to do with SEO.

    I can only imagine that those that criticize you do not do SEO and hence do not understand the implication of what this person is doing.

    The thread is quite astonishing actually.

    I would take accountability over love and peace every day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stgeorge View Post
    the dogs or the GPWA's apparent disinterest in doing anything about this.
    The same thing. You all have no patience. Sitting at home, without any idea how it is to manage a real business office with a lot of employees. After a few days the world have to change because some people want it. Things like contracts, collecting information and other perhaps very important things that must be done in the background in cases like that, obviously only real businessmen can understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by stgeorge View Post
    Antihacker I am sorry that you get treated as some sort of pariah for exposing something that completely affects every single one of us that has anything to do with SEO.
    Applauding to the (also) criminal act = reporting innocent (!) programs to "Law enforcement" to "shutting down businesses" and in this way harming innocent representatives from innocent programs and endanger jobs from also innocent employees from your view is exposing? Good to know.

    Quote Originally Posted by stgeorge
    The programs benefit from this and there are complicit.
    Your logic: The weapon industry's employees benefit from any war. So they are complicit.
    Your logic: A store sells matches. With these matches a firestarter burned down a house. So the store owner is complicit.

    It's easy to sit at home with a cake in the hand in front of the computer and yelling against GPWA and programs without doing anything. But nonsense is still nonsense, and I am fed up with all these uneducated eye closing, if things like this happen:

    Writing ("friendly") posts into the program areas by new threads but at the same time (!) behind the back reporting the same innocent programs to "Law enforcement" to "shutting down businesses"

    If we continue in making "investigations" in this way, then a lot of innocent employees must be fired, and all members, who are "complicit" in doing it, have their blood on the hands. The apathy in this industry is a shocking element, and this case is the evidence for it.

    Not even 2 days were gone after opening threads in program areas and the "debunker" was out of control. He debunked himself with

    Quote Originally Posted by antihacker
    All programs which were / are being promoted by the hacker are being reported to Law enforcement. [...] Please check my latest post about law enforcement shutting down businesses during investigations which will commence pretty soon.
    done behind the back the same time, the two-faced asked in the threads, and the Freudian Slip, who finally unmasked him, is the word "were".

    "were" = For him all programs from the very first second were criminals.

    This case is one of the black days in GPWA, because innocent programs were denounced and the jobs of innocent employees are in danger. If you will give applause to it, be free to do it, but then you must also accept my attempt to stop these criminal (yes, it's criminal to denounce innocent programs!) actions.

    Some of you should really stop this egocentric behavior, because if innocent programs will be blown away by cases like this, then all of you have to look for a real job, because there is no longer money to earn in this industry.

    But perhaps this is a wonderful thread to see the true faces of some members here how they think and perhaps also no question in real life too, if they are applauding to actions, that are harming innocent people. It's very easy to watch it now.

    Leopold
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    Food for thought here:

    If I host a party and during the party, my home is robbed - I'd be remiss if I did not report every person who attended to the authorities (assuming I were inclined to go to the authorities with the theft report). This would be the case regardless of whether I believed they were innocent or guilty or an accomplice of any sort.

    On the other hand, if I attended a party and items from the host's home turned up missing during the party - I would not feel disrespected in any way if the host had put out a message saying "if my items are not returned to me by x, I'm going to the authorities and turning over the entire guest list". The goal here is to find his items and have them returned, as well as to identify the thief and have him brought to justice. This issue is not all that much different.

    Separately, if I post to a program about a problem of some sort and a rep for that program comes to the forum to post some sort of self promoting material or to goof around in a general thread but my problem does not get acknowledged in any form (ie - not even a "we'll look into it"), I get irritated. I know others get irritated as well. I'm not saying I'm in the right for becoming irritated, but it is somewhat natural to become irritated over the lack of any type of response in that context regardless of whether the lack of comment is any real indication of whether the problem has been seen behind the scenes.

    In my opinion about "antihacker" and his intent - I believe his intent was to identify and take down the person, people, or group responsible for hacking non-gambling sites to put up gambling ads that (surely) generate traffic and commissions of some sort.

    Personally, I believe that programs know the nature and origin of their traffic so I personally find it difficult to believe that until "antihacker's" arrival to GPWA that programs were naive to the existence of these tactics.

    Some programs (such as Europartners) should be applauded for their stance on this matter. Affiliate managers such as bgo's should also be applauded for sharing what they know on the matter. Other programs were anything but helpful to varying degrees with some discreetly turning a blind eye while others blatantly did so.

    I also believe there was potential for a preconceived notion that many programs were in fact going to turn some sort of blind eye to the matter because it is very easy to see and understand the mindset of "well, if I turn this business away, this group is just going to send traffic elsewhere, so I might as well drag feet and keep on keeping on because if not me than someone else". "Antihacker" may not know which programs are more inclined to adopt that mindset from the roster of affiliate managers we have here.I personally give him the benefit of the doubt though at the same time, I admit that perhaps there were some posts he could have made "better".

    At the end of the day, I think most all of us can agree that this hacking group that "antihacker" has spoke of is committing a crime.

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    Leopold.

    That's way way way too dramatic mate.

    Take a bit of time out. Have a beer or something. You're getting way too angry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shay
    Personally, I believe that programs know the nature and origin of their traffic
    Sorry Shay,

    but this statement is nothing less than also indirect accusing all (!) casinos, that were (!) and are on the list of a crime, and you can't run with the hare and hunt with the hounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung View Post
    Sorry Shay,

    but this statement is nothing less than also indirect accusing all (!) casinos, that were (!) and are on the list of a crime, and you can't run with the hare and hunt with the hounds.

    Leopold
    No, that statement is saying that I believe that a part of the program manager's job is to understand their customer - (how to get traffic from them, how to get the most out of their traffic, how to get more traffic).

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    Leopold,

    You tend to ruin this important thread that could help our industry to become more cleaner from these spammers.
    Although you mention to have some patience some programs have shown to help and ban this affiliate.

    Besides you mix your German with UK expressions which is very annoying and not helpful at all.



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    Quote Originally Posted by -Shay- View Post
    No, that statement is saying that I believe that a part of the program manager's job is to understand their customer - (how to get traffic from them, how to get the most out of their traffic, how to get more traffic).
    I understand. If so, then I'd like to think that for you all casinos that were / are on the list are no criminals or "complicit", because for being a "complicit" they have to be a psychic. If they are no criminals, then they are innocent, because any other option is impossible.

    I ask you a simple question:

    Writing ("friendly") posts into the program areas by new threads but at the same time (!) behind the back reporting the same innocent programs to "Law enforcement" to "shutting down businesses" and in this way harming innocent representatives from innocent programs and endanger jobs from also innocent employees, as indeed Antihacker did, are these legal, responsible and honest means?

    It's a simple question and can be answered with one word.

    Yes or no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roulette Zeitung View Post
    I understand. If so, then I'd like to think that for you all casinos that were / are on the list are no criminals or "complicit", because for being a "complicit" they have to be a psychic. If they are no criminals, then they are innocent, because any other option is impossible.

    I ask you a simple question:

    Writing ("friendly") posts into the program areas by new threads but at the same time (!) behind the back reporting the same innocent programs to "Law enforcement" to "shutting down businesses" and in this way harming innocent representatives from innocent programs and endanger jobs from also innocent employees, as indeed Antihacker did, are these legal, responsible and honest means?

    It's a simple question and can be answered with one word.

    Yes or no?

    Leopold
    I know you're looking for a one word answer, but I can't simplify my answer to that. If the question is - "do I personally believe programs and employees who accept traffic from hacked sites are criminals?" then the answer is no, I don't believe they are criminals for accepting that traffic. At the same time, I do not believe "they" were all generally unaware of the origin of their traffic either.

    I don't think people always say exactly what they mean. Some people are more careful than others in their choice of words some of the time. Some think they mean one thing and have said it, when in reality they could have picked far better words to match their thoughts or their actions. Sometimes one has to look at "intent" or more accurately perhaps - perceived intent.

    Antihacker started an in general thread in the unethical behaviour section. He appeared bothered that more programs had not chimed in. His intent in originally posting in that particular forum was not to (in my opinion) cause the fall of affiliate programs. His intent was to openly discuss a pressing industry issue, identify the "bad guy", and bring him down.

    When the OP found that the programs were not responding or being as helpful/insightful as he had hoped/expected, it was suggested he post in individual forums. History tells us that programs are not required to follow/respond to any forum aside from their own sponsored forum. So, if he was looking for a reaction or help or whatever - he could get it by posting in specific sponsored forums. He did that.

    So, to break down your question(s) ---

    Do I believe he acted in a legal manner? Yes (he has the legal right, in my opinion, to both ask programs to take a stand out of one side of the mouth and out of the other say he's going to the authorities to name drop).

    Do I believe he acted in an honest manner?
    Yes, he stated he believed you're either part of the problem or part of the solution. He asked for help generally and specifically. He also stated he believed anyone still being advertised was still paying. I believe he was mostly transparent - even if he didn't always truly mean what he said.

    Do I believe he acted in a responsible manner? Yes. Do I believe that actions and words could have been more responsible? Sure... But do I think he acted irresponsibly? No, I think he was taking on a cause and that he was not afraid to clarify statements when asked or even retract statements when it was appropriate to do so.

    If a policeman shows up on the doorstep and says he wants to see my records about someone I work with. I tell him no I cannot share my records with him and imply that if he wishes to see my records, come back with a warrant. My refusal to cooperate neither implies that I am personally guilty of anything nor does it imply that I am not guilty of anything.

    The police officer's coming to my home and asking for the records also does not imply that I am possibly guilty (or not guilty) of anything. It only implies that they believe I have some sort of business relationship with the hypothetical individual.

    Even if they return with a warrant - providing my "nose" is "clean", there's still nothing to worry about and nothing to get defensive over. Logically, I should simply understand that sometimes, legal means are required to obtain information necessary to get "the bad guy" - even if the police officer has stated or implied that I should cooperate or else (prior to going to get his warrant). - italics statement added for extra clarity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Shay- View Post
    Do I believe he acted in a legal manner? Yes (he has the legal right


    No, he has not the legal right, and here is the evidence: https://www.gpwa.org/forum/leopolds-...tml#post766338

    And this is for sure not the only country in the world...

    No man is above the law!

    Good to know, that denouncing innocent programs with all consequences is the right way for you.

    Leopold

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    Lets check what the law in portugal say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antihacker View Post
    They DO NOT WANT to get rid of him.
    Antihacker,

    First of all, I'd like to be absolutely clear that I appreciate very much your digging deeply to understand what was going on, and to publish your findings here, and working to stamp out this unethical behavior. None of this is easy work. I understand that very well.

    And you are correct, there are some affiliate programs that won't care much. But there are many that will, as you have seen some initial signs that is the case.

    The best approach, in my opinion, is one that starts with the assumption that the affiliate program representatives will act in a way that affiliates appreciate, either because they view it is morally correct, or because they perceive that it will benefit them or their program if they take that position even if they don't actually care about the ethics that much. And an approach that, in that context, allows an affiliate program and its affiliate program representatives to shine if they take action against the unethical affiliate.

    Some programs will act very quickly, others will take longer just because the process can take time with work schedules and other conflicts even when their head is in the right place. Many will take some cajoling, and often when that is required it is most effective when done in the background by the right folks with the right arguments. Sometimes threats will work and result in quicker action, but it is also not uncommon for threats to result in a communications breakdown that hurts forward progress.

    I urge you not to give up, which is a primary reason I am making this post. But I also encourage patience, and a recognition of the importance of working together with other affiliates, even though it is not always easy in the heat of the moment, to get to a better place.

    One final word: You and Leopold (Roulette Zeitung) should be strong allies supporting each other here. Find a way to put the disagreements you have expressed here in the past. Together you will be a force for any program that stands in your collective way to fear. And I, for one, want to see you working together. Figure out how to make that happen for the sake of all affiliates.

    Michael
    GPWA Executive Director, Casino City CEO, Friend to the Village Idiot

    Resources for Affiliates: iGamingDirectory.com, iGamingAffiliatePrograms.com, GamingMeets.com

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