The Affiliate Union

[Chalkie]

Well, i can tell you that this boy has not forgotten about it and all i can say is watch this space!

[universal4]

I see dues being charged for a union as double-edged sword.

So does that mean that programs would develop 2 sets of terms, or 2 sets of commission structures....One for Union Members and one for Non-Union members?

And for thos smaller affiliates, or those just starting out, what if they could not afford the dues?

Rick
Universal4

[Chalkie]

I see dues being charged for a union as double-edged sword.

So does that mean that programs would develop 2 sets of terms, or 2 sets of commission structures....One for Union Members and one for Non-Union members?

And for thos smaller affiliates, or those just starting out, what if they could not afford the dues?

Rick
Universal4

Grrrr putting a spanner in the works already!

Wheres the reply to yesterdays PM anyway??????

[universal4]

Didn't know I missed one, will go look now....

I knew I shoulda made room in the office for the servers, it's just that since the weather has been so mild here the past few days, I thought it would be nice to hang out in the garage while doing a bit of geek stuff...gets me away from some of the computers....just not all of them....lol

Rick
Universal4

[ntaus]

Well - normally unions only represent those who are members otherwise it's not a union. The word means joining together after all. That's all the more reason to join.

It was my thought that charging would make it a more desirable membership to have. Two birds with one stone.

The funds have to come from somewhere.

Also, it's not my place to say, but I'm a small affiliate and a reasonable fee a year wouldn't break me. I don't like to name a figure since I'm not even involved at this point - so I won't - but, maybe if an aff couldn't pay a lump sum, they could pay by the month.

In a regular union, if you don't pay your dues you don't get your benefits.

If you get enough members, casinos are going to sit up and take notice. Those who are non-union members will still get the benefits. I hardly think they will write two sets of T & Cs.

ntaus

[Chalkie]

Well well well ...

The Gambling Affiliates Union will be opening its doors very soon!

100% guaranteed!

Not 100% as originally imagined and most certainly not 100% founded by the original founders of the Affiliate Union!

There will be no hidden agendas, no conspiracy theories and no collusion with any third parties either.

It will be 100% transparent, 100% affiliate orientated and 100% genuine!

There will be finances involved as 1 of the biggest negatives in this thread has been regarding how 1 such organisation can run without finances, however, they will not be borne by sponsorship i can assure you.

The Union will be prepared to work alongside anyone person or organisation that wishes to work alongside or with the union and will not be working against any organisation that is prepared to fight for affiliates.

That said, anyone that wishes to be a supporter is welcome and anyone that feels they can add to the unions success is very welcome to offer their support in any way!

[universal4]

That's good to hear Paul because

In a regular union, if you don't pay your dues you don't get your benefits.

.....only means that if there are in fact "dues" than the union is not for all affilates, since many become affiliates to change their financial stataus and not to join organizations where they have to 'pay" whether it is in their best long term status or not.

Many of the thousands of affiliates in this industry (whether the large affiaites want to admit this or not) do not have the means necessary to pay "dues" to join any union whether that means they will make 10 times that amount next year...

...those folks have to worry about "TODAY" and "tomorrow" and next year for them is just some point in the futiure....

Whether you like it or not...that IS REALITY!!

Those are the thousands of affiliates that come HERE (and the other forums such as GIA, GAP, AGD etc... every day and read and lurk but do not post....those are the affiliates that many seem to forget about....

If they are not thought about...then what is left....what Lloyd wants?

Rick

[Shaun O'neill]

Hei Paul

Good luck with this I think it will be a tought one but I am pretty sure you can crack it.

I will be very interested to se ehow this pans out.

Shaun

Well well well ...

The Gambling Affiliates Union will be opening its doors very soon!

100% guaranteed!

Not 100% as originally imagined and most certainly not 100% founded by the original founders of the Affiliate Union!

There will be no hidden agendas, no conspiracy theories and no collusion with any third parties either.

It will be 100% transparent, 100% affiliate orientated and 100% genuine!

There will be finances involved as 1 of the biggest negatives in this thread has been regarding how 1 such organisation can run without finances, however, they will not be borne by sponsorship i can assure you.

The Union will be prepared to work alongside anyone person or organisation that wishes to work alongside or with the union and will not be working against any organisation that is prepared to fight for affiliates.

That said, anyone that wishes to be a supporter is welcome and anyone that feels they can add to the unions success is very welcome to offer their support in any way!

[Chalkie]

Thanks Shaun and agreed, it will be hard but achievable.

Rick, you are very correct as usual.

There are plenty about that never show their faces, however, are just as valuable to us all.

Hopefully any dues will be attainable by anyone that wants to join and as its in my nature to be so, i would never turn anyone away or fail them for the of a few pounds/dollars.

The aim is not to become rich from a union, but for a union to help people in their quest to become rich!

[Webzcas]

I hope it works out for you Paul, it is commendable that you have stuck with this. It will be very hard work though to get this off the ground. Not being negative, just realistic.

When will you have further details?

[Chalkie]

Thank you and i agree, very hard to get of the ground. I like to see things through, hence still prepared to go ahead with it, hopefully that will reflect in its success too!

I hope to be able to offer full details over the next few days.

I can say that there is not a whole bunch of people involved and that all decisions will be subject to member voting.

There will be no sponsorship from programs and i aim to keep it transparent.

[Anthony]

I look forward to the GAU launch!

[GamTrak]

Good luck guys! If you need any techie skills then hit me up!

[Lloyd]

That's good to hear Paul because

.....only means that if there are in fact "dues" than the union is not for all affilates, since many become affiliates to change their financial stataus and not to join organizations where they have to 'pay" whether it is in their best long term status or not.

Many of the thousands of affiliates in this industry (whether the large affiaites want to admit this or not) do not have the means necessary to pay "dues" to join any union whether that means they will make 10 times that amount next year...

...those folks have to worry about "TODAY" and "tomorrow" and next year for them is just some point in the futiure....

Whether you like it or not...that IS REALITY!!

Those are the thousands of affiliates that come HERE (and the other forums such as GIA, GAP, AGD etc... every day and read and lurk but do not post....those are the affiliates that many seem to forget about....

If they are not thought about...then what is left....what Lloyd wants?

Rick

And what do I want Rick? (I'm guessing I'm the Lloyd you are referring too here)

[mojo]

Many of the thousands of affiliates in this industry (whether the large affiaites want to admit this or not) do not have the means necessary to pay "dues" to join any union whether that means they will make 10 times that amount next year...

Rick

I just want to add here that no affiliate would be turned away due to lack of funds (dues). If an affiliate needs help, dues would not be a deterrent.

[Integrity]

Many of the thousands of affiliates in this industry... do not have the means necessary to pay "dues" to join any union...

When the APCW started in 2003 we set up a dues structure as well. I think it was $10/month or $100/year... I forget. Some affiliates did join and pay the dues, but it quickly became apparent to us that we were never going to grow very quickly or very big with the dues in place. But that was our experience.

We made the decsion to drop dues almost immediately and refunded all monies. Shortly afterward our membership took off. And remember, this was back in 2003 when the times were good and money was flowing freely. So, it's good to hear that no affiliate would be turned away do to lack of funds.

Still, the captital to run the site has to come from somewhere. Welcome to the operational dilemma faced by those who have gone before.

.

[mojo]

Still, the captital to run the site has to come from somewhere. Welcome to the operational dilemma faced by those who have gone before.

.

Right!

The difference here is that the GAU does not accept advertising dollars.

It is more like the honor system.

[Chalkie]

From the GAU site:

As the GAU is committed to fighting for transparency, fairness and a fair market place for gambling affiliates, the GAU will not deny any affiliate membership on financial grounds. Therefore, if there is any reason why a potential member cannot pay the membership fees, the GAU will allow membership free of charge. Please contact the GAU if you have a question regarding this.

http://gamblingaffiliatesunion.org/membership