Steven assaulted at cap!

[GamTrak]

Okay, I guess I must be in the 'minority' in more ways then one (pun intended) because I DID see it coming once I knew that they were ALL attending. I guess it's my upbringing or something. Infact, I won't name names, but I told someone 'in their camp' that I would not be surprised to see a chair come flying across the room or something crazy like that.

Not to defend anyone's actions as I'm 100% against any type of physical violance at all, but I saw an 'event' of some kind happening in my head several times and mentioned atleast once in the CardSpike thread weeks ago.

I'm just happy that Steven is okay and that the guards did not do more damage then they did because when I heard about what happened I was upset so I know how those closer to the situation must feel.

I'm also glad that you are ok JTodd! I'm glad that everyone is ok and I'm getting back to work.

[CityGuard]

I really appreciate all the kind words and support. I've posted an update and my thoughts on this as a new thread.
https://www.gpwa.org/forum/steven-co...by-178822.html

[Integrity]

Hey guys. I am at Swedish Hospital in Seattle tonight. My mother is out of surgery and doing well... expected to make a full recovery. Thank you all for your thoughts and wishes.

Now there have been some things said which I find just silly. At risk of "rocking the boat" I do want to comment on them... then I'll be done.

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If GPWA/APCW or anyone thought for a moment they'd be welcome at a Cap event, arms open and such, you're mad as march hares.

Well of course that's not what I thought at all. But the idea of a fist fight --- or Lou ordering security to manhandle us --- just sounds far fetched and stupid. We had plans made to meet clients in the public area of a hotel and there's not a damn thing wrong with that.

Lou has been trying to push everyone out of the industry for a long time and suffocate the competition. We are fighting for our livelihood and Lou hates that we not only exposed his lies conflicts of interest on Cardspike, but that programs still want to meet us and work with us.

This is the way we've been forced to do business. We are being "punished" by someone trying to maintain his stranglehold on the industry, and for what? Telling the truth and bringing to light his deliberate acts of deception.

Don't lose sight of the real issues here. We did nothing wrong.

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...with all due respect each and everyone of those individuals who were involved with any "conflicts" should have considered what could happen if they were to show up.

My goodness. Are you actually trying to argue the rationale that we should have anticipated a fist fight? So anyone not working for the CAP Team should never attend another conference? Hurray. Lou wins.

If/when Lou & Warren put Marc Lesnick out of the conference business I guess that's just it then. No more conferences for anyone not under Lou's thumb, because if you decide to show up at a CAP Event anyway, then you should know: Physical violence is coming.

Is this sounding a bit ridiculous yet?

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Okay, I guess I must be in the 'minority'... because I DID see it coming ... I would not be surprised to see a chair come flying across the room or something crazy like that.

You know I respect you, Robin. But if you really felt this way then why would you be associating yourself with Lou? Why would you support his endeavors?

Perhaps it's time you distance yourself from someone making so many poor decisions and capable of such violence.

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If you all disagree with me that's fine. Comment back if you feel the need, but I am done.

[bb1web]

Actually Int... that's what I am doing.

It is with sadness but only because I'd feel the same for any of you.

I live in fantasy land where I have hopes that all can be made to see the advantage of allowing live and let live.

I have seen decisions in this industry reversed .. and therefore had hoped for such when it came to CAP but they have just done everything possible to alienate even the most forgiving of supporters.

I still love my friends at CAP and very much hope they will join me at my new affiliates forum and visit here and at GIA. There's room for all and its a healthy existence.

[Integrity]

Hi Steve...

I said I was done but I had to say hello to you =0)

I still love my friends at CAP and very much hope they will join me at my new affiliates forum and visit here and at GIA.

I hope people know that I have NEVER meant to imply that I believe the actions of Lou or Warren are actions of CAP as a whole. Sometimes people use the term "CAP" to mean Lou and Warren, but there is definitely a difference.

I, too, have many friends at CAP and love going to the events to see them. There are many many wonderful, smart, and honest people in there. I try to say Lou or Warren (not CAP) as much as possible because that's who I'm talking about most times.

There's room for all and its a healthy existence.

There is indeed room for us all. No one has to hurt others to monopolize us.

[Nandakishore]

No one should / could have expected that there would be challange to a duel etc

Possibly there was someone from Microgaming watching this drama. We shouldn't be surprised if Microgaming comes out soon with a 5 reel, 100 paylines, 500 coins slot called 'CAP HO!' with Lou as the WILD substituting for all figures except for the scattering Todd, while appearance of 3 Michaels starts a Bonus Round ending in a super win.

Sorry for these frivolous thoughts in a very serious situation. But I couldn't help it.

[arkyt]

Are you actually trying to argue the rationale that we should have anticipated a fist fight?

I thought my comments were as clear as ABC; but I guess I was wrong so let me quote what I had posted again.

"No one should / could have expected that there would be challange to a duel"

...

"BUT with all due respect each and everyone of those individuals who were involved with any "conflicts" should have considered what could happen if they were to show up. "

Still seems clear to me, but I'll try to clarify - what I was arguing was that attendees/organizers etc should NOT have expected fist fights, but you all should HAVE expected some level of discord. Wait thats pretty much the exact same thing ... Oh well.

Please dont start with that "I'm done" stuff - thats someone elses gig - you are better than that; aren't you? I do not wish to see this buried like all the other dirt in past years - there has to be a resolution to this - it can't simply be allowed to fade away.

[GamTrak]

You know I respect you, Robin. But if you really felt this way then why would you be associating yourself with Lou? Why would you support his endeavors?

Perhaps it's time you distance yourself from someone making so many poor decisions and capable of such violence.

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If you all disagree with me that's fine. Comment back if you feel the need, but I am done.

Hi JTodd, I have great respect for you as well and I'm not gonna take it personal. I see Lou as human and a friend who happened to have made a mistake and error in judgement.

You've made some poor decisions as well, but I'm not gonna bring them all up because it's not the point.

I'm not saying that he should have acted like he did, I'm just being honest when I say that I can fully understand how he could be upset and if I was in his shoes and had to see all of you guys running around doing business as usual at a GamTrak event, and I had gone thru what he has the past month or more then there is a very good chance that an 'incident' would occur and you would all be talking about me.

You guys have not been as 'professional' as maybe you should have reporting on this CardSpike situation (which caused your incident) and folks that are bashing us personally that are at the CAP forum are not being fair either as we do not deserve to get the treatment that we get.

Please know that I'm not saying that CAP's business behavior is ok, i'm just saying that I've made mistakes just like you guys, but I don't expect to have a public execution over it or allow folks to tell me how to run my business from the sidelines.

How you guys think you can FORCE someone to do something is beyond me. You get a lot more with honey, especially when you have NO control over the person you are trying to persuade, but that's just me.

Let's fight together and NOT against one another!

Have a good day JTodd and all!

[Nandakishore]

folks that are bashing us personally that are at the CAP forum are not being fair either as we do not deserve to get the treatment that we get.

Robin, neither you nor any other person at the CAP forum deserve any bashing. But when you do support or defend Lou in this or that point, which is absolutely legitimate and understandable, you may be subjected to criticism not fair or objective. One part of the problem is that the CAP forum is not open to those who want to criticize Lou, Warren or the way the CAP is run. There is no way of communicating with the subjects of criticism. Consequently, those who are in the vicinity of the criticized and open to communication with the 'outside' world get some of the 'punches' meant for the inaccessible persons. This is quite natural.

I only hope that you continue communicating with us through various forums.

[damiandunlap]

We all make mistakes, But out right now paying affiliates and lying about your connection is wrong.

I can understand him not letting people know about the ownership of a site, cause of American Laws, but they should have made some plan to pay the people and not jerk people around. CAP mishandles this. Ban people for asking question? The cerfications never meant anything, but who paid the most money. Take some of that money and start paying off the webmasters, then people will start forgiven.

[joeyl]

JTodd.

I'll say it again, if not verbatim: if you thought you specifically were welcome at the Cap event, you're mad as a march hare. Expect fisticuffs?.. Possibly old boy, make that very possibly now.

Anyway, you kept your forum up at Lou's when I resigned my Cap membership for attempting to sell a database of UK players details.

You're going to have hard time claiming a level of highground re "Telling the truth and bringing to light his deliberate acts of deception." over me.

I had my posting rights restricted here at Lou's behest I suppose, for banging the drum about his shenanigans. You never said a word that I saw old boy.

You said: Don't lose sight of the real issues here. We did nothing wrong.

I am glad you have finally caught on to the issues. I remain unconvinced you'd have said anything atall if you were still buddies with Lou.

I'm not done, not until I believe in folks like you to do what you say you will, everytime, not just when it suits. Then i'm done.

You can't be done yet, because you have much to do re outing the rogues.

[casinobonusguy]

Actually Int... that's what I am doing.

It is with sadness but only because I'd feel the same for any of you.

I live in fantasy land where I have hopes that all can be made to see the advantage of allowing live and let live.

I have seen decisions in this industry reversed .. and therefore had hoped for such when it came to CAP but they have just done everything possible to alienate even the most forgiving of supporters.

I still love my friends at CAP and very much hope they will join me at my new affiliates forum and visit here and at GIA. There's room for all and its a healthy existence.

Steve,
I will visit your forum if i knew where it was

Judy

[arkyt]

Anyway, you kept your forum up at Lou's when I resigned my Cap membership for attempting to sell a database of UK players details.

You're going to have hard time claiming a level of highground re "Telling the truth and bringing to light his deliberate acts of deception." over me.

I had my posting rights restricted here at Lou's behest I suppose, for banging the drum about his shenanigans. You never said a word that I saw old boy.

You said: Don't lose sight of the real issues here. We did nothing wrong.

I am glad you have finally caught on to the issues. I remain unconvinced you'd have said anything atall if you were still buddies with Lou.

I'm not done, not until I believe in folks like you to do what you say you will, everytime, not just when it suits. Then i'm done.

You can't be done yet, because you have much to do re outing the rogues.

At the time; they weren't being directly affected and/or they had nothing to gain by listening to our claims even if they were factual. Instead of listening to us; we were silenced - hell an entire (IMO) very worthwhile venture was practically shut down - clearly ethics was not a priority for this industry...

I am with you; I truly question why its important now but it wasnt last year or the year before? Of course, as you, I have my suspicions; but at this time I am willing to forego them as I truly believe that the potential end result is good for the community as a whole.

I am with you I also will not rest until the cows come home - plenty of dirt still to reveal and plenty of unscrupulous unethical opportunist to put out of business!

[Integrity]

...if you thought you specifically were welcome at the Cap event, you're mad as a march hare. Expect fisticuffs?.. Possibly old boy, make that very possibly now.

This is all so frickin' stupid. Lou lies, cheats, steals, monopolizes, bans, threatens, sues, calls names, and challenges people to fist fights and I'm defending myself. Stupid stupid stupid.

I'm a moron for not EXPECTING A FISTFIGHT to occur in the lobby of a nice hotel during a major industry event? God whatever is wrong with me? I'll bet if Lou or Warren are reading this thread now they are laughing their asses off that people are actually turning the tables on the victims. Maybe it's you who's actually Lou's old buddie, old boy.

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...You're going to have hard time claiming a level of highground re "Telling the truth and bringing to light his deliberate acts of deception." over me.

What have I lied about? What have I been deceptive about? What conflicts of interest do I have hidden in shell corps? You really don't have a damn clue what you're speaking of.

If you did, you would know that every script of every video for cardspike was read and approved by Casino City and Michael BEFORE any video was ever shot. Michael was the one who did the investigations and uncovered the lies. All I did was deliver the message the way he approved. Why don't you call him out, old boy.

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...I had my posting rights restricted here at Lou's behest I suppose, for banging the drum about his shenanigans. You never said a word that I saw old boy.

Well, old boy, that's probably because I never posted at CAP unless it was absolutely needed. I hate being dragged into stupid conversations with people who have too much time on their hands for anything else.

Did your highly advanced powers of perception notice that I never posted anything over there? I haven't made many posts anywhere in about 2 or 3 years. Why would that be? Possibly because I'm always working my butt of to do the right thing, and for that I always catch hell and have to defend myself from the likes of people like yourself who think they hold a patent on morality and martyrdom.

I never even noticed the threads about Lou because I was too busy working on my stuff. I didn't give a damn about CAP then any more than I do now. That's why I never posted over there, and that's why I will stop posting here.

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...I remain unconvinced you'd have said anything atall if you were still buddies with Lou... I'm not done, not until I believe in folks like you to do what you say you will, everytime, not just when it suits.

You might not be done, old boy, but I wish I was.

I do the work of 10 people by myself every week getting these stupid videos up. I travel all over the world and miss my kids growing up. I neglect my wife because I'm up to 3am editing. I'm exhausted all the time. All that, and still I rarely ever miss a show and I haven't taken a vacation in over two years... oh, and I never complain about it.

Personally I don't give a ratsdropping what you believe about me... it really isn't that important. But it is just a bit beyond arrogant for you to come on here and post that I should have expected a fist fight while you question my integrity in light of what's gone on.

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You guys have not been as 'professional' as maybe you should have reporting on this CardSpike situation...

LOLOLOLOL!!!! Oh, wait a minute... Holy poop... she's serious!?

Yea, well I guess we should have not cursed so much... or called people names like J Toad... or lied about our motivations... or tried to label people Nazis... or started any of the foolish things we did at the CAP London event.... or, um, er, holy poop again! That wasn't us! It was all Lou and Warren! Now I remember!

I will try to do better in the future, Robin. You know, whitewash a bit of this... spin a bit of that... and not be so rough on the people bending us over to screw so many people and ruin so many livelihoods. To heck with all this calling a spade a spade stuff.

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Somewhere along the line, it seems some people lost sight of the truth and what's really been going on here. You have those like Michael and me who honestly want to make a difference without sqeezing every red cent from as many people as we can and what do you do? Put us on trial? Smooth.

The very fact that I could have partnered with Lou but I chose to be with the GPWA should tell you people something about my motivations and character, but I suppose it's just too much to hope you would remember that.

If I had enough money in the bank right now I would wash my hands of this whole industry... walk away... and leave you to people like Mr Fabiano to be brutalized. I'm sick and I'm done.

I will continue to make videos for Michael. Other than that, I don't need any more grief from the people who are supposed to be supporting me. I realize there are many good people here who have nice things to say, but there is enough chaos and crap is my everyday life without having to borrow more. Best of luck to you all.

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[MichaelCorfman]

At the time; they weren't being directly affected and/or they had nothing to gain by listening to our claims even if they were factual. Instead of listening to us; we were silenced - hell an entire (IMO) very worthwhile venture was practically shut down - clearly ethics was not a priority for this industry...

I am with you; I truly question why its important now but it wasnt last year or the year before? Of course, as you, I have my suspicions; but at this time I am willing to forego them as I truly believe that the potential end result is good for the community as a whole.

I am with you I also will not rest until the cows come home - plenty of dirt still to reveal and plenty of unscrupulous unethical opportunist to put out of business!

I don't think that comment is fair. I had let the database issue you felt strongly about be raised and discussed at length in this thread: www.gpwa.org/forum/player-database-sales-169929.html.

I'm pretty tolerant about what goes on here. But I'm not happy when the discussion turns away from working together to get to the bottom of issues and finding ways to move forward. If you or anyone else has a specific ethical issue, then please define it clearly in a thread of its own. You will have my support in doing that and in our working together to resolve the matter in some sort of coherent discussion. But this thread has evolved into too much of folks arguing against one another and not working together to put us as individuals and as participants in the industry in a better place.

Please, let's try to be constructive here for our common good!

Michael

[pgaming]

Well-said Integrity! I been relatively quiet these dam assignments always gobbling up my time lol.

If Lou and Warren are laughing their Asses off blame it on the vacant mind syndrome. Yeah I am pissed as well… a lot. But rest assured because this will unfold as it should.

For the CAP supporters well… whatever, I be no fool.



greek39

[damiandunlap]

Jim Jones followers. If any body still support CAP, after there group; have not paid the webmaster over that poker room is crazy. I never broke a rule at CAP, found out few days ago I can not post. Lou by haven people banned for no good reason, but to keep the truth from getting out has hurt his company. He is not really leaving, we all know this. CAP group , do not matter how they change there name owes money. I seen Lou many time go full blast at programs that owe him money, but its a differnt story when he does. Also out of respect why would CAP have there events so close to CAC

[arkyt]

Please, let's try to be constructive here for our common good!

Since you put it that way I don't have many options to continue jabbing even if I feel it is more than justified. I'll respect your wishes for now and step out of the thread; because right now I dont have many kind/constructive thoughts about CAP, the support GPWA has given CAP over the last few years, and for that matter this industry as a whole. At one time I presented a promising plan - it was ignored by some and by others it was down right murdered; oh well life goes on for the common good of a few not the whole.

[ck8795]

Originally Posted by GamTrak
You guys have not been as 'professional' as maybe you should have reporting on this CardSpike situation...

I am really disappointed by alot of the posts here. How professional is it to not pay people for 4 - 6 mths?

They still owe money from my knowledge so when they can pony that up than maybe we can talk about professionalism.

I dont understand some of you. I have seen you guys slaughter a company for things less than this...(Grand Prive is a good one) and yet alot of this is overlooked or brushed off. Is it because it hasnt affected you personally that its not as big of a deal

The people who are at the front of this community, who rip apart programs defaulted on payments to their own affiliates and yet people post about what Michael has one wrong or what JTodd has done wrong

If it wasnt for either of those two, there wouldnt have been any payments made to any of the affiliates. It took them speaking up to get some of it done. Critisize all you want, just dont complain the next time a program rips you off

[AndreS]

Michael... Please understand that when the most trusted source in the industry 'CAP' and its leaders, are proven to be untrustworthy, it taints our perception of everyone in the industry and creates very skeptical minds. We are all just trying to get our heads wrapped around this all and would appreciate it if we could just talk it all out, get answers when we have questions, and vent when we have issues. That said, we appreciate you giving us the forum to do as such.

JTodd... its cool that you defend yourself, but please realize, you are in the limelight, you can't answer to all those who oppose you, if you do you will drive yourself to an early grave. Just keep on keepin' on brother. The work you do for this industry is priceless, vitally important, and appreciated more than you will ever know by the vast majority of us. Always remember karma, and rest comfortably knowing that all the good you do will come back to you tenfold... sooner or later.